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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:02:00 -
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A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
We understand that this is a hot topic amongst players, and request that you discuss this necessary change without breaking the forum rules.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Idara
Caldari Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:12:00 -
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Oh jesus.
Here we go. --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first
in EVE - Idara |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/10/2008 16:14:00 I really don't understand why there's such a strong need to change this now.
Besides, how are you being any less active at improving your character than someone with an active account? All you can do is set a single long skill training, and that requires just as much activity on your part whether you're subscribed or not. --- DIY copying in Liekuri 20:1 mineral compression Eve Online folding@home team |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I really don't understand why there's such a strong need to change this now.
There isn't. __________________
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Avalira
Caldari Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:14:00 -
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money money money...
------------- Selling the following:
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Retmas
Gallente Serial Number Inventors Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Retmas on 13/10/2008 16:15:09 Edited by: Retmas on 13/10/2008 16:14:50 drat, second. -edit- okay, fifth..
if you're going to take it out, at least tell us the real reason. it's not 'the balance', it's that you want us to pay while we wait for the 30-50 day battleship V skills go through, not to mention the capital ship skills, or pretty much any other month-or-more skill. there isnt a thing we can do about it, other than stomp our collective feet, but the least you can do is not lie to us.
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slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:15:00 -
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:/ this is going to keep people who takes breaks from returning...
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:16:00 -
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They realized they royally ****ed up with GTC's, and don't want to reverse their decision? thus.. making it mandatory to pay to train.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Nemeziskee
Caldari Nefantar Tribe The Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:16:00 -
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Remove Ghost training okay, BUT give us skill queue.
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Retmas
Gallente Serial Number Inventors Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nemeziskee Remove Ghost training okay, BUT give us skill queue.
quoted for f-king truth.
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Idara
Caldari Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nemeziskee Remove Ghost training okay, BUT give us skill queue.
No they can't make skilling easier... --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first
in EVE - Idara |
Plave Okice
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:17:00 -
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Business in "trying to make money" shocker!
Don't see a problem with it, always thought it was a strange decision to allow training on unsubbed accounts. If you want to train, pay.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:17:00 -
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Meh, but the good thing is that all my inactive acounts are about to finish their 40-60 day skills within a few days so... But still meh. Since now basicly there's not even a reason to reactivate the account to start a skilltraining, this change imo will render more inactive accounts than it was before...
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Tomoe Heth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:18:00 -
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Why not delete characters who's accounts become inactive? That will really force the players to keep their subscriptions active!
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Radio Bemba
Serenity and Unicum Empire Corp The Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Radio Bemba on 13/10/2008 16:19:47 Sounds nice (or not?)
Anyway, you'll get some enemies.
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Karbowiak
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:22:00 -
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stupidity is strong in this one !
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Dr NOe
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tomoe Heth Why not delete characters who's accounts become inactive? That will really force the players to keep their subscriptions active!
What a great idea. I hope you dont get Sent anywhere that youll have to be gone for any leanth of time. Maybe A Hospiktal. Active service in the Military or Anything. because when ya came back your acct would be gone and youd have to start all over. then youd be crying your little babyblues over it.
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Ultimator
Minmatar Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
Please try to explain this a bit better. How are people actually putting their energy and time into clicking on a skill? Since skills train automatically without any actual practice.
I believe if this will be implemented, EVE will not just lose a lot of players but a unique feature which made it attractive among other MMO's.
As most of the times, now you fail again to give a satisfactory argument, why you change something what everyone liked in this game. Why don't you just say that you need more money?
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C Black
Gallente BLACK CARTEL
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Meh, but the good thing is that all my inactive acounts are about to finish their 40-60 day skills within a few days so... But still meh. Since now basicly there's not even a reason to reactivate the account to start a skilltraining, this change imo will render more inactive accounts than it was before...
You have to do some DUMB crap to have Chribba say that you are doing some DUMB crap. And i really would hate to you see you screw the pooch so bad with this one as well.
C Black... Looking for old friends of WISHSONG corp... |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:23:00 -
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A lot of people will be unhappy, but I can't say I'm surprised this change has come. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
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Sallera Zephyr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:24:00 -
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Has anyone ever actually felt "unfairly affected" by people who do this? I may not do it myself, but this certainly looks like a completely pointless change. Not going to benefit you or the players.
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Aeronith
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:24:00 -
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Well at least this should divert peoples' efforts away from complaining about the horrible speed nerf.
Well played!
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:25:00 -
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Ok great. Now make the skill times less that way when you hit the 30-90 day training you dont want to cancel while you train. WOW that would make sense wouldnt it? Nahhh It would remove that TIMESINK wouldnt it.
I have liked CCP and there decisions in the past this is the first one that say HI WERE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GAME COMPANY THAT IS FULL OF MORONS!
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TheAdj
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:25:00 -
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Man you guys sure are piling on the shitty changes lately. So after next patch it'll cost me 500-600m per GTC, I can't let accounts dark train, and half the ships I enjoy flying will be pulse apoc food. Fantastic. ----------------
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Retmas
Gallente Serial Number Inventors Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronith Well at least this should divert peoples' efforts away from complaining about the horrible speed nerf.
Well played!
-facepalm-
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:26:00 -
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I don't particularly mind this change. (I do know a person who buys "cheap" characters and just trains up the "pesky lvl5 skills" with account breaks, re-selling the character as a "fully-trained mothership pilot" - he makes quite some ISK with that. I don't think it's a good feature.)
I do have two problems with this change, though.
The first one is that there is basically no warning at all that your game time is about to expire. From one day to the next, it goes "account expired." It would be highly annoying to find out that you weren't training your skill for 1-2 days because you didn't log in yesterday. Please add a reminder "your game time is running out in 7 days" or so when you log in.
The other is that you will lose more players that way. I know quite a few people who were in an "eve low" and let their accounts expire. They set up a long skill, and at some point they thought "oh, my skill's done, let's check back", reactivating their accounts. "EVE lows" are very common, they come and go, and this was one way to "bridge" them.
But as I said, I personally do not mind the change. Just PLEASE tell me in advance when my account is about to expire. ;-)
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Mirida
Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:30:00 -
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This is not much needed this is bullshit. You definitely should reconsider this change.
If you really want to get players to get rewarded enable all characters on one account to be able to train at the same time if their account is active. ___________________
EVE Development Network <Lead Developer> |
JJ McHawker
BazCo
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nemeziskee Remove Ghost training okay, BUT give us skill queue.
Ironically, when I first scanned the subject of the news item, I thought that it was a skill queue they were adding. Of course, if they had both it would be madness - open an account, queue up everything required for some uberl33t role (i.e. capital pilot, super sniper, etc.) and park it for a year. Imagine the horror of Chinese Pilot Farmers.
So, maybe this is one step closer to getting some kind of queueing mechanism?
JJ
/ Has just had some training downtime because I forgot to put another skill on before I went to bed last night. // Has an Alt currently ghost training (tho only a 2 week skill).
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Tomoe Heth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tomoe Heth on 13/10/2008 16:31:40
Originally by: Sallera Zephyr Has anyone ever actually felt "unfairly affected" by people who do this? I may not do it myself, but this certainly looks like a completely pointless change. Not going to benefit you or the players.
Yes. CCPs accountant feels unfairly affected.
"They should be happy we let them gain skills while not logged in! How many games do that?"
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Gallente The 13th Gallentean Armed Response
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Posted - 2008.10.13 16:31:00 -
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I just hope you'll send an e-mail (or something) to non-active players. This is not a pleasant surprise for many players.
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