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Nuala Reece
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:08:00 -
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Little more information please? Or a link to where the info is if it's already out there.
Why is it much needed - what gains are expected from this change (to CCP, Eve and the players) balanced against what downsides?
How does it upset the game balance? I can't say I'm aware of ever feeling adversely affected by the fact that someone else can train a character in the exact same way that I can, but does so without accruing assets, LP, reputation or friends.
What constitutes an inactive account and what action will be taken to inform players in a timely way that their account is about to be considered inactive?
I'm pretty sure my account will be seen as inactive as I haven't logged in for some time (been taking one of those 'putting rl first' breaks that are so common) but I've no idea when that's likely to happen again if I log in on Wednesday to show face and start a new skill off.
I'm not saying I'm for or against this change at the moment as I'd like to know the reasons why it's considered necessary. At the moment the OP seems like the equivalent of saying 'from Wednesday all underwear will be blue, this is a much needed and overdue change'. Context makes all the difference and I'd like some please. Meanwhile, I'm off to change my pants.
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Miriyaka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:09:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Gneeznow
money money money money money
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Wootang
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:10:00 -
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omg this has nothing at all to do with balancing -.-
all about money money money for ccp...
indeed there is really no need to change this!!!
i totally agree to those who say it will prevent ppl who need breaks from returning to the game...
well ccp this is one of the º$%&//"$ changes... 
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Kai Dorfman
SkillzKillz
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/10/2008 16:20:50
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/10/2008 16:18:14
I really don't understand why there's such a strong need to change this now.
Besides, how are you being any less active at improving your character than someone with an active account? All you can do is set a single long skill training, and that requires just as much activity on your part whether you're subscribed or not. This is a poor choice of justification.
As others have suggested, this might actually have a negative net impact on your total income, as people leaving the game will no longer have the option to leave a skill going in case they decide to return later; they won't have something new to come back to.
I fully Agree with this guy, What about the people who skill up 2-3 chars to eventually sell them for isk on the Forums? I for one currently run 3 accounts and 1 of them is going inactive on the 27th oct, i was planning to skill and sell this char that i started from scratch earlier this year, instead i will keep it inactive. Ive been beaten with CCP's Pain Stick twice this year i cant afford to run all 3 accounts 24/7/12 and secondly its a Sepcialized minmitar Claymore pilot (horrible speed nurf), please beat me some more with your Pain Stick CCP.
Can CCP name one player thats complained? I dont think so. this is just them wanting more money. Fair enough i suppose but im sure this will have a negative effect.
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fiber0pti
the united
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:10:00 -
[95]
MONEY
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Seldarine
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:10:00 -
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The GTC changes were bad enough to justify, this is just pure money grabbing.
I cant believe they dare to show the disrespect of pretending its to do with in-game balance.
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Bob Niac
Gallente
Kahi Mohala
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:12:00 -
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this is ebil....
But seriously .. cant we have a buffer? like a week's time?
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Seldarine
The GTC changes were bad enough to justify, this is just pure money grabbing.
I cant believe they dare to show the disrespect of pretending its to do with in-game balance.
this tbfh
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Morgen StMichael
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:13:00 -
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I've quit eve 3 times now, once after a run in with customer service that just terminally ****ed me off. Two of those breaks, I've 'abused' Ghost training. Each time, the thought that I now had a long training time skill to 5 was a real factor in deciding to return to Eve. It probably was the deciding factor in at least one case.
This change is ill-thought out, and will likely cause more harm than good. Kudos for announcing it, and not just sliding it in, hoping it would go unnoticed. How many gaming companies would do that, eh?
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Calishere
Caldari
The Space BorderLine
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:14:00 -
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well another nerf at the wrong time. what's really funny is they also end up putting this just a few days b4 it actually happens... seems like they dont wanna hear our opinion on the matter lol and just get it over with
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stadshage
Caldari
Monkey Universe Corporation
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:14:00 -
[101]
good idea peaple sould pay for playing and pay for training
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Demitrios
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:14:00 -
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It takes like 20 years to get all the skills .why whould you change it?
I can honestly say that alot of clients will not return if u make the change
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:14:00 -
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I don't think this will improve anything. An incentive for people to return after taking a break is that they now may have a new skill to come back to. There's nothing sinister about it, people just burn out from time to time. |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:14:00 -
[104]
In other news, CCP would see an enormous 1-time surge of cash from character transfers if they also announced that pre-existing alt characters (ONLY!) would all be able to train simultaneously on a current account.
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MercenaryAI
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:15:00 -
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This idea is full of fail.
Ghost skill training has NO effect on active players, so why do you tell us this bullsh*t about 'unfairly affected' and game balance? Why not just admit that this change is implemented to try and get more income from players?
Lying to your playerbase does NOT make the situation better, only worse.
On a side note, players DO need skill queque, much more than this 'much needed change'.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:15:00 -
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next change from ccp is
your skills stop training when you go offline 
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Miriyaka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:16:00 -
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we're making the game more expensive for your good
we're destroying entire gameplay styles for your good
we're making the game even more expensive, for your good
it's all for you, the player. we swear. it has nothing to do with our glorious golden vision or our bloated bottom line.
how full of shit can this company possibly be? this is hilariously bad.
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Heomos Ricedi
Russian SOBR
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:17:00 -
[108]
Originally by: SiJira
next change from ccp is
your skills stop training when you go offline
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:17:00 -
[109]
Edited by: MacDuncan on 13/10/2008 17:16:55
After the recent GTC-changes this is a terrible descision imho...
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
A lot of people will be unhappy, but I can't say I'm surprised this change has come. At first glance, I also can't say that I see any kind of problem with this change, it seems fair enough.
It is fair, or at least not unfair, and completely their decision to make. What CCP seems to completely underestimate is the number of people this "unfair feature" made come back. I quit a few times myself, usually after having petition handled by (badly) trained chimps, and also after the T20 incident (Or maybe after the way less publicized mothership for tournament vegeta/CCP Lemonde incident).
What got me back each time is a long skill training ending. And I'm far from alone in this case. If this is a move for getting rid of the more resource taxing older players it's a master move. The promise their new code shown have been proved not working already, so maybe it's a move to thin the population to get a technical grip on the server.
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Ilda Mrika
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:17:00 -
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Never expected CCP to be this hypocritical... game balance... oh dear 
Well, I had 2 accounts. Only one will be left in 12 days. Not reactivating the second account, selling the main on that account and be done with it.
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Tennents Supra
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
What?
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:20:00 -
[113]
The strange thing is I keep all my accounts active while training so it's negligable impact on me.
But I'm disgusted on principle at the way you are pretending it's to balance the game and not divulging the real reason.
So -1 account. It won't make you go bust, you'll still get money on my other 2, but if enough of us do it, you might think twice before pulling a stunt like this again.
And in the off chance this is all prelude to some change we are going to love...fire your PR guys, they are lousy.
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Triksterism
Gallente
Frozen Corpse Inspection Services
United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:21:00 -
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This change is most definitely dildos.
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FalconHawk
Amarr
Shadow Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: FalconHawk on 13/10/2008 17:25:33
Originally by: CCP Fallout
This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.forum rules.
wondering why they are unfairly affected ... the only party that is "unfairly affected" is CCP¦s bank account
money makes the world go around, looks like CCP realised that too now and tries to press as much out of their customers as they can, first GTC change for a 60 day industry standard, now ghost training change cause it¦s "unfair"... you guys should stop lying to yourself with this more than stupid "reasons" u use to enforce such stupid changes.
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tamlyn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:21:00 -
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This was seen coming for years, yes its a money making idea.
Not surprised or fazed in the slightest, however, a skill queue WOULD be nice.
I go for year long trips from eve and a skill queue would do me WONDERS.
I'm left behind when I come back so I want that addition so I am not given another step to climb over.
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kery Syander on 13/10/2008 17:22:45
wow, this is pretty crazy. As someone who ran quite a few accounts for around 2 years and recently decided to take a bit of a break from eve, I can definitely say this kind of move will almost certainly push me to sell all my characters. I can only assume that the amount of RMT that goes on in eve will increase with this move. I really don't see anyone taking the occasional much needed breaks from eve, instead they will probably just quit for good.
CCP, is Paulson running your financial department now?
edit: and the line about rewarding effort put directly into eve is ridiculous given GTC sales, etc. I think I would be hardpressed to come up with a stupider/more hypocritical move by CCP.
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SaleanDS
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
Yeah I know I've spent a lot of time and serious effort into watching the skill bar increase.
This game is horrible, why should anyone bother playing it anymore with how ccp manages it
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:22:00 -
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In other news, the population count on Tranquility hasn't been over 40k in over a month, and for perhaps much longer (hard to tell on these graphs).
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Xavier Zyrae
Demonic Retribution
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.13 17:23:00 -
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Bad change! I agree with what the playerbase has been commenting over the previous 5 pages...
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