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Fred Ayurveda
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trzzbk Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:36:15
Originally by: Inanna Zuni (TANSTAAFL)
I'd say that's a good thing too, considering how you look even after having to pay for all of your lunches.
OH SNAP
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Cyrella Avok
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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Two words: bad idea.
Don't think only short term when wallet comes into the field.
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Dissociactive
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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CCP greatest gamedevelopers i've even seen
we still have desync lags, black screens and other great stuff ingame we have a lot of empire primitive fun for idiots lots of other patches for idiots as nerfs during a long time and now we have such rude thing as this topic
u're goin' right way CCP!!! i'm still proud pilot of your %U^&$^%^% game...
TNX U CCP u're best! u're doin' fun game
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NupetietVer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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CCP=Cash Cow Pirating
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MSC Gandalf
Minmatar The United Federation of Planets
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: MSC Gandalf on 13/10/2008 18:44:26
Originally by: kublai How stupid do you think we are?
I'll be selling a character before the month ends as a result of this, with this little "balancing" issue there's no way I can afford 4 accounts, certainly not after you blew the GTC price throug the damn roof.
We'll see how long it takes me to go down to two accounts, congrats CCP, that's one less payday from me, I won't quit the game, but I will buy one gtc less per month as will many many others.
Not to mention the hundreds of people who quit eve long ago and only buy a gtc now and then to keep skilling, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
I have to say that many here are stupid, by selling you chars someone else will keep a account active. If you think that this is a threat that CCP will take seriously you are mistaken. There should be a week buffer for those who forget to renew their account and that should be it. Keep up the good work CCP. There might also be a idea to have a skill time cards that would allow you to log on to the website and put a skill in training for less money if people dont have the time or the money to play the game.
Edit: Plus since CCP gets paid for gametime in Euros and Dollars they are getting more out of it so its not like they are loosing money on this crisic in Iceland With regard Fleet Admiral MSC Gandalf The United Federation Of Planets MSC |
Finedele
Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:39:00 -
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not paying for something, but getting it for free - it was just TOO good. now it isnt any more. i dont complain, i will stick with my 3 accounts.
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Shikaku
Minmatar The Cursed Navy IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miriyaka we're making the game more expensive for your good
we're destroying entire gameplay styles for your good
we're making the game even more expensive, for your good
it's all for you, the player. we swear. it has nothing to do with our glorious golden vision or our bloated bottom line.
how full of shit can this company possibly be? this is hilariously bad.
QFT
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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Finedele not paying for something, but getting it for free - it was just TOO good. now it isnt any more. i dont complain, i will stick with my 3 accounts.
CCP alt ---------------------------------------
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Cras'h
Hulks on stereoids inc
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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CCP need to get more money to save iceland! who cares about your guys playing with your money and lost it.. deal with it! And back to topic Your idea is so so so f*ked up!
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Bukkaboo
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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WTF ccp?
You give us new server tech to reduce lag and increase game performace ..and then you backstab us with this s*it ?
for god sake listen to the playerbase, atleast give us skill training queue
jesus.
goddamn.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blind D'Runk The question is, how many people actually let account payments slip while training those rank 8-14 skills? Complaining is a bit like complaining wow wont let you log in to grind because you haven't paid, but why should you pay as you are only macro grinding XP not actually playing the game.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.....
I've been an EVE player since March 2007, but for 4 non-consecutive months I've utilized dark training.
Training Caldari Cruiser from 4 to 5 Training Battlecruiser from 4 to 5 Training Advanced Weapon Upgrades from 4 to 5 Training Caldari Battleship from 4 to 5
Thing is, I feel I'm pretty much done with dark training. Earlier this month, I paid for a 12-month subscription, first of all because I enjoy playing EVE and I'd like to play continously now that I've created my own corporation, and secondly because I think I've done the skillz I want most badly. I personally don't need dark training any more.
But I'm still upset and unhappy about it, because it hurts new players, and I think it is likely that CCP will end up losing income, contrary to the true purpose behind this change.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
Yea, lets take a look at this.
Lets say... 5k subs are perma-cancelled.
they only pay, $15 every 3 months (all 5k accounts are training rank 14 skills, all of the time).
thats what.. only $20,000 per year that they are loosing.
Set your accounts to a CC and budget for the cost as a responsible adult would and its no problem.
See that's not too hard now is it?
Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu |
Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bonefish O'Hallahan
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Hertford
Originally by: Inanna Zuni News for Snarker. SUBSCRIBERS PAY.
People running 'ghost accounts' do not. They shouldn't benefit therefore!
People running 'ghost accounts' do indeed pay. Just not 100% of the time. If someone is paying for only 3 months out of every 6, they're still paying. Ghost Training isn't free, merely cheaper.
So you pay for 3 months and you get 3 months training (and playing time). makes sense. You don't pay for 3 months and you get nothing in return. seems reasonable/(TANSTAAFL)
So, overall, what is wrong with that?
If it had always been this way, golden. What we had in ghost training was a relatively unique feature that appealed to the casual player who LIKES to take breaks from Eve and come back to a slightly advanced skill.
The feature (which was apparently massively unfair to CCP, fellate them some more please) was a low cost issue that actively encouraged part-time players to keep more accounts and come back when they did unsubscribe- some of us DO unsubscribe regularly.
There's no earthly reason to take it away and not expect a backlash from those of us who have, right or wrong, grown to expect it.
Sad truth is, there will be an impact on the bottom line now and all new players will just accept that this is the way it is. It's probably good business in the long run, but it shows VERY clearly that CCP's motivations continue to be antithetical to pleasing the playerbase.
I somehow doubt it. Check the numbers for the servers. When was the last time we were above 30k ever day? This is a selling feature for eve. Cutting them away is just bad. They might see a small increase in short term but not in the long term. EVE is already tiny in comparison with others and making it less appealing is not the way to improve your bottom line.
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JUST' DAVE
LoneStar Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:41:00 -
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Thank you very much for informing us whole 2 days before you patch the client.
How about you let us train all 3 chars on one account now that we are forced to have keeping our alts account active.
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Alex V0X2
Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:42:00 -
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Ccp su*k hairy dirty donkey b*llz!
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Ocerdyn
Royal Production Society
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Trzzbk Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:36:15
Originally by: Inanna Zuni (TANSTAAFL)
I'd say that's a good thing too, considering how you look even after having to pay for all of your lunches.
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Aero Zolic
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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First step: Remove 30 day GTC's and ask more money for 60 day GTC's. Second step: Remove training on suspended accounts. Third step: Profit.
This is just so stupid that really, let me laugh. After five years you see that it's really necessary? It seems that all you want is more money. What about people who don't have the time to play that much? Before, they at least could put a long skill to train so when they finally got back playing, they had something good waiting here. Now they just have to keep bumping the money to you to just train a skill. "This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not." Why not change the whole skill training to "the more you play the faster you learn skills"? Isn't that a good idea? Welcome to the World of Warcra ..ops World of EvE.
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Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: MSC Gandalf
Originally by: kublai How stupid do you think we are?
I'll be selling a character before the month ends as a result of this, with this little "balancing" issue there's no way I can afford 4 accounts, certainly not after you blew the GTC price throug the damn roof.
We'll see how long it takes me to go down to two accounts, congrats CCP, that's one less payday from me, I won't quit the game, but I will buy one gtc less per month as will many many others.
Not to mention the hundreds of people who quit eve long ago and only buy a gtc now and then to keep skilling, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
I have to say that many here are stupid, by selling you chars someone else will keep a account active. If you think that this is a threat that CCP will take seriously you are mistaken. There should be a week buffer for those who forget to renew their account and that should be it. Keep up the good work CCP. There might also be a idea to have a skill time cards that would allow you to log on to the website and put a skill in training for less money if people dont have the time or the money to play the game.
We have two levels of incorrect thinking in play here. Those who think there will be no short term effect (You are the stupidest ones). There will be plenty of us who don't come back, and all of the sold characters can't and won't be subscribed from this point on.
There's the rest of us, who are ****ed, but who unfortunately don't matter at all to CCP. After the initial outburst and the relatively small number of cancelled accounts, they are expecting (probably correctly) that many of you will come back, new players will continue to subscribe, and all of those people will still pay for accounts consistently.
What remains to be seen is how much the decrease in number of alts will effect things. Once again, I'd imagine CCP has worked it out and figures more continuous subscriptions will make up for the part-time subscriptions that are going to be lost.
They're probably not dumb, just evil and clearly not looking out for us as players.
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Ghostess
United Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Elana Mosavani "iceland economy tanked, send dollars tia"
But honestly here, while I have not done so, I know many people that set long skills when an account lapses for good reasons, and the fact that the skill finishes gives them cause to come back to the game. Players that get called up for action to serve their country and can't access EVE oversees, players that know the RL is going to bog them down for the next few months; there are many reasons for letting a subscription lapse, and the fact that the skill still is in training makes them more likely to come back and play.
Think this thru a bit. If you want to put a halt to something while they're unsubbed, halt the R&D points they get.
Indeed!
In about a week one of my corp mates will be taking a break from eve. She's having what someone very aptly called an "Eve low". She is starting to get tired of the game and is taking a break. Every time she has done this she has come back within 3 days of her skill training finished because something new and exciting was waiting for her. I think we are going to lose her this time, or at the very least not see her for several months.
Had "ghost training" stayed she would start creating revenue for CCP again. Now odds are high she will not do so at all.
Also, many players who have a main account and an extra account will end up just paying for their main account and not bothering reactivating their alts. I was going to create a second account together with a friend. We were planning on doing some heavy mining together, "the four of us". Now that's completely out of the question for both of us.
That CCP is trying to hide why they are doing this also makes me feel like they are just another greedy corporation. Being honest about it would have made me feel like they are another greedy but refreshingly honest corporation and that would have made me much less likely to take offense.
Take it back, CCP! You can still change your minds and not f*ck up your earnings! (Yes, even I would have cursed now if the forum permitted it)
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Trzzbk Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:36:15
Originally by: Inanna Zuni (TANSTAAFL)
I'd say that's a good thing too, considering how you look even after having to pay for all of your lunches.
rofl. But at least I pay for mine and don't expect anyone to feed me for free. Most of the bleaters here seem to think they deserve something for nothing.
IZ
(For those who don't know .. TANSTAAFL - There aint' no such thing as a free lunch)
My principles
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qRTA Over
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:44:00 -
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Thks CCP , i will finally reduce my paying accounts to 1 .
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Warbler I think the working adults are the ones most ****ed off by this change, since they don't have the luxury of infinite time to enjoy the game.
The change has nothign to do with infinite time, its about whether or not you can train without paying to train.
The majority of ghost training is not done by typical-Joe players who hit hard times and say "well, I can knock out BS 5 while I'm gone." Most ghost training is done as 2d and 3rd and 4th accounts for the purpose of selling the high-SP account.
That has numerous gameplay effects. It causes there to be too many high-SP pilots as they can be trained up at a discount. That in turn deflates the value of the high-SP pilots who got their "by paying". It also messes up the character sale/resale market by again discounting the cost of building up a character to sell (thereby increasing supply).
This is a benefit to existing high-SP pilots because it just knocked a big chunk of up-and-coming competition out of the ballgame. If you want to train to a Titan, its gonna cost you full price, not 33% ....
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Dearth
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:44:00 -
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Wow only 2 1/2 hours since the announcement and already 13 pages of whinage, this has got to be a EvE record
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Orion Moonstar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Trzzbk Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:36:15
Originally by: Inanna Zuni (TANSTAAFL)
I'd say that's a good thing too, considering how you look even after having to pay for all of your lunches.
rofl. But at least I pay for mine and don't expect anyone to feed me for free. Most of the bleaters here seem to think they deserve something for nothing.
IZ
(For those who don't know .. TANSTAAFL - There aint' no such thing as a free lunch)
First off, bleaters?
Second, GHOST TRAINING IS NOT FREE STOP SAYING IT IS FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:45:00 -
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Ok..... I thought that this was already the case, I lost my subscription mid skill once and when I got it back, the skill had the same time as when i left it? |
Retardat
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:45:00 -
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this will be the stupidest change of this game , will ruin the game ffs ..the ghost train was the beauty of the game ffs ...but nah ccp don't care about players just about our money , there are a lot of poor people playing eve ffs !!! we don't have bil of folors to pay our accounts and not even time to make a lot isk ...we want to ahve some fun in this game not just making isk ffs...
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Dray
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:45:00 -
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Ive had 2 acc's since eve went live that have never lapsed, ran 3 for a while but ive never ghost trained, nor does other people doing it bother me, so thank you for "thinking for me" but in future i'll keep my own council, and you lot lot can carry on f**king up your game.
Free research points now that is an issue i'd like to see addressed.
Please stop walking around with your heads stuck up your arses it isn't entertaining nor i imagine, comfortable.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:46:00 -
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Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:46:00 -
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The logic given by the OP for this change, is faulty IMO.
If CCP is really concerned about unfairness that occurs with inactive and expired accounts, they would stop "ghost farming" of RP's for Datacores, by inactive and expired accounts.
While I have never used "ghost training", myself. It has been one of the main hooks when I convince friends to play Eve. It is nice for professionals with family to know that they can still progress in skills even when thier chaotic RL rears its ugly head.
TL;DR Utter Shit Move, CCP --
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Shani Nerkata
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: MSC Gandalf I have to say that many here are stupid, by selling you chars someone else will keep a account active.
Think not : CCP will cancel the account because it was sold on eBay violating EULA
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