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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: EyeCeeYou on 13/10/2008 18:15:30 I think the "balance" aspect comes in because of the effect that this will have on character sales.
Won't this reduce the market of characters that are "raised on GTCs" simply to be sold (for ISK or cash)?
Basically, it makes a higher SP character more valuable. I can certainly see that having an effect on balance and game-play ...
Originally by: Trzzbk Hypothetical situation:
Account A is training Amarr Cruiser V, and the account is inactive and unsubbed.
Account B is training Amarr Cruiser V, and the account is active and subbed.
How, exactly, it Account B putting in more "time and energy" than Account A? Oh that's right, it's because "time and energy" is a pretty transparent euphemism for "Money". Well done CCP, well done.
By this logic, we should be able to train up infinite chars for free - or maybe by just paying for the first sign-up fee.
I guess thats how it should be. Pay $20, train all you want and never pay again, but if you ever want to actually log into the game to play, you have to pay. Wow, *everybody* would be in a titan in no time ... Won't that be fun?
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Cueball Mcfuzz
Groon Research
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Snarker What the hell, nice work CCP, you just lost tons of subscribers.
News for Snarker. SUBSCRIBERS PAY.
People running 'ghost accounts' do not. They shouldn't benefit therefore!
TANSTAAFL
You're a collosal idiot if you think that the ability to take a break and still advance wasn't deeply satisfying to those of us who don't ********** over CCP and play constantly. Try to connect with the non-insane portion of the crowd and see how taking away this small small advantage for no good reason takes away a tremendous portion of good feeling and goodwill.
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Lost Hamster
Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:13:00 -
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Look's like my second account will be permanently canceled. Well done CCP!
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:14:00 -
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It's never bothered me in the slightest, that people can train a skill whilst their account is inactive. So your premiss that this is a "Hot topic" and "Upsets the balance of the game", is spurious at best.
This I believe will cost you, rather than gain you extra monies.
But equally speaking volumes, is that lack of a joint announcement, giving us all a skill queue of some kind, which I believe is a very "hot topic" amongst players.
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Rayna 3
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:14:00 -
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I guess they found this in there secret files under "In case of country going bankrupt we do this"
I for one think CCP needs to hire people who can do some math and know what customer service means. And not let the people who do there programming also determine there policy changes. If they aren't good at programming why would they think they are good at marketing and customer good will.
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Skraut
ElitistOps GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:15:00 -
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Just adding to the growing pile of -1 account. Maybe two? I only really play one at a time, so there's no incentive for me to pay for three accounts that I'm not using full-time. I wasn't even doing 30+ day unsubscribes, just 10-20 here and there to cheapen it up and make those accounts worth keeping around.
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Complete Tart
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Miriyaka we're making the game more expensive for your good
we're destroying entire gameplay styles for your good
we're making the game even more expensive, for your good
it's all for you, the player. we swear. it has nothing to do with our glorious golden vision or our bloated bottom line.
how full of shit can this company possibly be? this is hilariously bad.
This is exactly what's happening.
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: thelung187 It would be nice if, after 6 pages, at least someone from CCP would respond to the arguments being made here.
No response, to me, means the decision is made, and we'll just have to live with it. Or cancel multiple accounts.
What's next? Will it be considered 'unfair' to be training while offline? Will it be considered 'fair' to reintroduce skill grinding?
For a long time, the line was that the main benefit players get from being online is personal experience and active ISK generation.
I can't point to a single instance where I could have said "Oh, I would have won that fight - but he was ghost training, so I didn't." Skill points are a tiny tiny part of the recipe for success in EVE.
There is no need for this change.
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Maconha
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:16:00 -
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well time to leave eve... gost training keep me from geting tired of the game, this way i will get tired and then abandon the game... yes u can say i can activate the acount and let it train without log in, but if acount is active, i canŠt resist in loging in, so geting tired of the game this way is certain. with the loss of 30 day etc i got worried to be forced to play two month on a role, and now the acount was about to finish and i war realy tired of the game and geting some 10-15 days off were the kick back to me, this way i donŠt know... really ccp, what is this? you want to wipe the server and start over again??? this way u will only have old players in the server, and wiping is the only way for survival of the game.
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:16:00 -
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Quote: Please post only in English - CCP Fallout
Please dont post at all.
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Trzzbk
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:19:17
Originally by: EyeCeeYou
By this logic, we should be able to train up infinite chars for free - or maybe by just paying for the first sign-up fee.
How does this leap of logic work exactly?
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I guess thats how it should be. Pay $20, train all you want and never pay again, but if you ever want to actually log into the game to play, you have to pay. Wow, *everybody* would be in a titan in no time ... Won't that be fun?
Or they could just keep it how it is: pay $20, train skills, set long one, let account lapse, pay $15 dollars to change skill, train skills, set long skill, let account lapse, etc. Ghost training is not, nor has it ever been free.
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NupetietVer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:18:00 -
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WOOT!
Lets get Mothership skills in 1 day with a Squad and Experience scrolls. Oh wait, Eve is Real Life Time training based?
Great Work at Shooting-Foot skill, took you 1 minute to train that!
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CowWarrior
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jack O'Connal Edited by: Jack O''Connal on 13/10/2008 17:50:48 This just means I will have 6 characters coming up for sale soon. Instead of CCP getting $50 from me every month (on average) they will be getting $15 a month. I just can't justify training alts that I rarely use anymore. Another brilliant idea CCP.
Basically, this^^^
Although I doubt if I'll even keep one account active. There's so many other cool things that CCP could be doing with this game and instead they seem to just be removing the things that make it tolerable...
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Perpello
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:18:00 -
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Pay to Train 2008!
CCP Fallout is the perfect character name to introduce this with.
CCP Meltdown would have been even funnier.
I half-appreciate the balance reasoning and think Eve just lost a unique selling point. Hope this change doesn't ultimately backfire.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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This again.
I've never used the feature at all but wouldn't whatever prompted you to keep it last time it's removal was proposed still stand, if not what has changed regarding this since then?
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Dra Monica
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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bad idea guys
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Kalmanaka
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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Need to build Ark. All these tears are going to flood the earth. WTB Ark bpc.
If you want to use a for-pay service then you have to pay to use it. It's a pretty simple concept really. Kinda surprised this many people can't grasp it.
Estimate != Reality What you want != What you get You whine != Someone cares Learn to deal with it. -Abrazzar |
Little Nublet
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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**** THAT PLAYERBASE CCP, OH YEAH, **** IT HARDER
HARDER, HARDER
OH YEAH, **** IT LIKE THAT
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai I think this change makes absolute sense. Skill training is part of the game - if you don't pay then you don't play.
How about they just do pay for skills? After all you pay you play. What is the difference? And imagine what all those 3 rich peeps playing eve would do for their bottom line. Of course they would be broke month after when anyone whos not rich quits but I'm sure that kind of long term outlook is far outside CCPs skills. Guess they should have trained it when they had subscribers.
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hertford
Originally by: Inanna Zuni News for Snarker. SUBSCRIBERS PAY.
People running 'ghost accounts' do not. They shouldn't benefit therefore!
People running 'ghost accounts' do indeed pay. Just not 100% of the time. If someone is paying for only 3 months out of every 6, they're still paying. Ghost Training isn't free, merely cheaper.
So you pay for 3 months and you get 3 months training (and playing time). makes sense. You don't pay for 3 months and you get nothing in return. seems reasonable/(TANSTAAFL)
So, overall, what is wrong with that?
My principles
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Kr3m17
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:20:00 -
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I really don't see a problem in not letting expired accounts train. No other game on the planet lets you magically train when you're not paying for the game. My main concern is with the "inactive" accounts. Does this mean people that aren't logged in? Or people who haven't logged for x number of hours/days? I don't particularly think that this portion is all that fair. Personally I believe that if someone is paying for their account, and they don't have time to login all day every day like a 12 year old schoolboy, then I don't think they should be penalized. That's the big part of why myself and my coworkers play this game is becuase we're all very busy most of the time, but we can still advance in the game as long as we have the isk to buy our skillbooks.
I think some more explaining is in order to what they define as "inactive", but I fully support stopping training on those accounts that are expired.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:20:00 -
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I feel this is quite uncalled for, but my main question is, why now? As far as I can tell, ghost training had been part of this game since the beginning so what makes you decide we have to do it now.
I've been a firm believer that ghost training brings people back to the game, I can speak that it has brought me back a few times thinking "Oh wow, i have new toys, lets give EVE a spin".
Combined with GTCs costing more ISK and now this change, I'll just use one account instead of 2-3. You'll save me the ISK grind .
Originally by: Tau Dades This is a great idea, but it could be better. When your account goes inactive, in addition to not training, all your clones should lose their implants! Also, characters should be fined a large percentage of their total assets while inactive. That way, if they ever decide to come back they won't have squat. This is brilliant, because then they will have to buy GTC to get all their precious iskies back!!!!!1111
Exactly! You don't pay, you don't deserve anything!
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Sarl Massai
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:21:00 -
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This is hilarious. This isnt about protecting the interest of those who 'put work into developing their characters.''(Im confused, is someone putting more work into skill development if they are simply paying for the game? Mission running doesnt speed up skills.) Its about squeezing money out of those who have decided to do this because they dont have much to do.
I am not impressed and Im considering quitting over this, paying for nothing but the privilege to grind missions, pfff.
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Jalxan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:21:00 -
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When I first read this, I thought that this change made it that you couldn't train while you're offline; in other words, being forced to train while online. That would have infuriated me.
But, if I read it correctly, it's only Expired or Inactive accounts (once that are suspended due to non-payment). In this case, I think it's a good idea, as it crimps people from making 'Mothership Pilot for $$$' accounts.
That said, it DOES affect those who are on a sabbatical. The idea is good, but to handle those types of people who are on sabbatical, they should be rewarded for returning, not punished.
On a side note, I believe those who are more active online, should be rewarded with an increased skillpoint accumulation rate. That would keep a LOT of people online for longer.
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Audrea
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:21:00 -
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Everything logical and sensible has already been said, now we gotta wait for ccp to get back on their feets from the crash landing from the moon... hopefully
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TCL987
Gallente Hannibals Pirates
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: TCL987 on 13/10/2008 18:23:11 I've never let my account lapse to train a long skill and I'm not particularly bothered by people who do this. While this may not affect me I still think this change is a bad idea. Maybe a system where the longer you are unsubscribed the slower your skills train. That way people who are only unsubscribed for a few days because they forgot they needed to renew their accounts won't be affected but people who leave their accounts unsubscribed for months will start to train slower until their account is renewed or their skills train so slowly that they gain 0SP/H. How much slower I don't know what would be "fair" so that will need some discussion.
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Dr Asimov
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Asimov on 13/10/2008 18:25:19 I own 7 accounts (2 inactive training carrier 5 and Battleship 5) My oldest son owns 3 (1 inactive training Battleship 5) My youngest owns 2 (1 inactive training Spaceship Command 5)
If you implement this plan CCP all accounts will be inactive at their anniversary date.
This is a very bad idea and your player base is already waning and I heard Stargate Worlds program is opening up soon I always did like Lord Yu.........
Forgot to add I will remove your banner from my website and end being an affiliate.
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Illwill Bill
Minmatar Genos Occidere Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:23:00 -
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Onoes! Not only have GTC prices reached ludicrous levels: CCP also expects me to PAY? for PLAYING?! OMGz I can't have my internet spaceships for free anymore!
Seriously Guys, CCP is running a business here. They are providing a service that we all like and want, and you are actually whining about not getting it for free? Be happy about the free skill training you have already recieved, and stop whining about being forced to pay! </nerdrage>
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Kallisto Black
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:23:00 -
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CCP you owe it to us as customers to disclose exactly what IF anything will follow this change to make up for what we all see plainly as a veiled attempt to increase active accounts (which it will not).
Even if you do intend to add a skill queue, the cost of this MMO, and it's restriction to only allow one character per account to train is designed arround your customers subscribing with multiple accounts at rates grossly above market rate of the competition, for a game that we obviously love, but also has been plagued with major issues since its launch and promises that haven't been fulfilled for years.
I for one will sell, consolidate, do what I can to reduce my accounts down to a single active one if no further word is heard in 2 days. There's simply no reason to keep so many alt accounts active, and not being able to advance them inbetween subscriptions invalidates any reason to keep them on separate accounts. You might make some money with accounts transfers, sales, but you'll lose out big with the long term recurring revenue.
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Trzzbk
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Trzzbk on 13/10/2008 18:24:10
Originally by: Kr3m17 I really don't see a problem in not letting expired accounts train. No other game on the planet lets you magically train when you're not paying for the game.
Name another game with the same skill training mechanic as EVE. I'll wait.
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Seriously Guys, CCP is running a business here. They are providing a service that we all like and want, and you are actually whining about not getting it for free? Be happy about the free skill training you have already recieved, and stop whining about being forced to pay! </nerdrage>
Point to the post where people want to play for free. I'll wait.
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