Unless you've been staring over my shoulder watching how/when/where I mine, you can't answer that question, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And no, no one has ever successfuly ganked me.

The following combat ships require at least one fitting mod.
Arty Cane
Every Logistics ship Ever.
Hellcats (that T2 Elutrition rig? That's a fitting mod)
100mn Tengus (Officer Fitting mods, even).
Stealth Bombers
Fleet Dictors
AHACs (Zealots need their RCU)
Sniper HACs

You haven't flown many combat ships, have you?

This is a factual post if you ignore the fact that all 3 exhumers could be tanked, the rise in ships was mostly down to massive inflation and minerals jumped due to drone alloy nerf. Or in other words, you just lied.

So you can't be bothered to bring more dps to the fight? I fail to see the issue.

... Very good chance that some of them might shoot back.

Soundwave didn't say that.

If you find a shuttle full of PLEXes or freighter full of officer mods go ahead and do whatever you want. If they're stupid enough to haul those they really deserve to lose it. How much is salvage worth? Not much. Most of your profit comes from items dropped from cargohold.

Ganking a Hulk and getting 25M worth of salvage from wreck is different story.

Or just go shoot people in lowsec/nullsec/wormhole. Very good chance that some of them might shoot back.

Maybe if you tried reading.

It has nothing to do with DPS. It has to do with the lead game designer using a thoroughly and completely discredited balance concept that became obsolete somewhere in the early Triassic era GÇö a view on balance that simply does not work, and which has been proven beyond any doubt not to work time and time again (and which is responsible for one of the most egregious imbalances this game has offered GÇö one that they are struggling to correct to this day).

oh right, I forgot that gankers are actually the only players in the equation here

hint: they made it easier for the miners

yes, it is, if the guy in the 300m ship did nothing to repel that gank

CCP is literally throwing ship balance out the window.

hint: primarily in hi-sec, where it should be hard to gank miners... somehow it makes sense.

if anything the game was dumped down so the self proclaimed hardcore pvp'ers could gank miners in hi-sec, now that it's going to take just a little skills/brains to find someone to gank, the same people are crying "the end of eve"...

hint: primarily in hi-sec, where it should be hard to gank miners

I don't think his comments were off mark in any way *IF* we consider context.

You haven't heard of Crimewatch, have you?

And quit saying "well if u wan2 pvp go to lo/nul/wh cuz thts whar evry1 pvps" - I haven't suicide ganked anything in hisec since our ice interdiction, but I don't believe that hisec should be a safe, fun, happy carebear land.

You haven't heard of Crimewatch, have you?

And quit saying "well if u wan2 pvp go to lo/nul/wh cuz thts whar evry1 pvps" - I haven't suicide ganked anything in hisec since our ice interdiction, but I don't believe that hisec should be a safe, fun, happy carebear land.

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A) Can you provide ANY other case where a destroyer can suicide gank a ship of similar value besides a hulk? The "gank balance" on the current hulk is horribly out of wack, even when using 3 destroyers to kill a tanked hulk. Look at the values of some other common ganked ships. Pimped marauders, pimped faction BSes, freighters, orcas, industrials. Compared to the hull price these ship types require quite a bit of damage from several ships to be taken down with the exception of the indies which in most cases have a hull value less than a single destroyer.

By this logic it should only take maybe 6-8 destroyers at most to kill an orca but even an untanked orca should be able to shrug that off.

B) Ship balance is a concept and not a physical object, it cannot be thrown anywhere.

A) Can you provide ANY other case where a destroyer can suicide gank a ship of similar value besides a hulk?

A) Can you provide ANY other case where a destroyer can suicide gank a ship of similar value besides a hulk?

Why?

Or, more precisely: why does it need to be harder than it is, seeing as how the miners already have to actively choose to make it worth-while?

The context doesn't matter. He's either using it as a blanket statement, or he's using it about a specific group, meaning that for some reason, they should abide by different rules than the rest of the game. Either way, it's the same deeply flawed balancing concept that has only ever managed to make things unbalanced.

I hereby demand that it should take at least 10bn worth of ships to kill my Nomad.

You are trying very hard to make this a bigger issue than it really is.

You are trying very hard to make this a bigger issue than it really is.

And now the other mining ships will be worth using again depending on differing circumstances. Sounds like more options and flexibility to the players.

Increasing options and flexibility would have involved giving the ships the ability to FIT a tank at the expense of yield, not simply GIVING them one on a silver platter.

hint: primarily in hi-sec, where it should be hard to gank miners... somehow it makes sense.

if anything the game was dumped down so the self proclaimed hardcore pvp'ers could gank miners in hi-sec, now that it's going to take just a little skills/brains to find someone to gank, the same people are crying "the end of eve"...

Adapting the game to fit the miners instead of adapting the miners to fit the game is acceptable for you?

Wasnt that same as when CCP gave gankers tier3 on silver plate?

Wasnt that same as when CCP gave gankers tier3 on silver plate?