There's a group of people thinking we're "boiling the frog" to try and kill highsec, and there's a group of people who think we're "boiling the frog" to try and make highsec dominate the game.

True fact: no frogs will be harmed in the making of this expansion.

You don't boil frogs... you fry them, in batter. Yum, yum...

Fun fact, CCP have stated multiple times that they want to see highsec as a training ground and not as a permanent home.

True fact, Several highsec isk generating systems have been nerfed/downgraded over the oast 3 years. Lets start with Incursions, the only equivelent to isk generation that nullbears have as standard (hi there forsaken cashcows!!). Several "balances" have been made to them ALL being negative to isk generation.

Lets take missions and the deployment of sleeper esque AI. Great, slightly smarter rats that decide that drones, even when idle, are Adolf Hitlers lovechildren and must be executed regardless of the tactical situation. Thank you and goodnight anyone wishing to use drones, oh and the 2009 "balance" pass on missions that killed the reward system. Add in the inclusion of the mostly abused Faction Warfare LP giveaway that further drives certain popular mission corps LP value into the ground.

So excuse us highsec dwellers, we tend to look down on risk averse moon goo/OMFGForsaken Isk/RMT fueled windowlickers that think just because they are in null they are the pinnacle of the game.

More seriously, Fozzie - I would like to see some fixes for T1 module manufacturing to encourage noob industrialists.

How about it? Is it even on the list of things to do?

Point was it will take less time to get to you than for you to get out and combat pilots as a general rule hate defensivly waiting in an gravimetric site or asteroid belt in hopes some will come along.
As was stated many times before the increased reward would have been good enough if the sites still needed to be scanned down, but with the proposed changes the reward are not worth the absolute rush that will be in mining in low and empire null sec.

It's a euphemism. The idea is that if you want to cook a frog you can't just throw it into a pot of boiling water, it'll jump back out. So you stick it in the water, and it thinks its pretty nice, and then you sloooooooooowly turn up the temperature.

Yeah, mynnna, I got it. Thanks.... lol.

BTW, congrats on the CSM election. Hope you keep posting in MD.

T1 modules were removed from NPC drop tables in order to make manufacturing them better for new players.

what did hiseccers do to earn and keep their ability to run incursions?

absolutely nothing, get lost

1) The numbers will be out on sisi soon anyways, so I'll go ahead and let you know that the high sec anoms contain 2500 units of their racial isotope ice.

Quality input from a Goon.

The fact remains that Incursions are universal content, the problem of course is that the organised pilots who run them are well aware of certain entities and have taken steps to ban them. U kelmad Goon?

Yet more proof of the mindless narrative that certain nullsec dwellers insist on perpetuating to justify their griefing.

It's a welfare ISK fountain and you seem unaware that many of those running them in the very same fleets as you are nullseccers

It's a welfare ISK fountain and you seem unaware that many of those running them in the very same fleets as you are nullseccers

Oh look it's the null sec is everywhere narrative now.

So you're denying that what he says is true?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it most definitely is true.

Fozzie, if you're going to force sov 0.0 miners to be exposed in anomalies instead of requiring probe use to locate, can you at least do something about people who sit cloaked in system all day?

You're right about it being about the risk vs reward ratio. While it may be worth it to mine in an ore anomaly when a system is usually clear of unfriendlies, it is very easy for a decent sized alliance to put a cloaked cyno/covert cyno equipped ship in every viable mining system of entire regions of enemy space. Anyone intending to mine in these regions either mines at an unknown risk/reward ratio since the cloaked camper may or may not be afk- there is usually no way to tell, or simply doesn't mine at all, as these players can't be cleared out beforehand unless they are moving between systems, or are already executing their hotdrop, at which point it's usually too late.

Ah, but to use an overused rejoinder so popular with the null crowd, adapt or die. Adding in a few elite frigates does nothing but slow you down, so rather than 8 minutes it now takes you 9 to complete a FH. Removing ice to anom and reducing them to 23 mining hours with a 4 hour respawn is a tad bit more serious, both economically and to the foundation of POS ownership. Remember earlier in this thread currently 99% (ish) of ice products are produced in highsec, so please a small balance of an open isk tap is not really in the same league as the ice changes.

There's a group of people thinking we're "boiling the frog" to try and kill highsec, and there's a group of people who think we're "boiling the frog" to try and make highsec dominate the game.

True fact: no frogs will be harmed in the making of this expansion.

There are now some 400,000 - 450,000 accounts in EvE.

Now there only seem to be 50-100,000 characters in Null Alliances. So even if we say 100,000 with 200,000 alts in Hi-sec. That is a small drop compared to the over 1,000,000 characters in Hi-sec.

At best you are 20% of Hi-sec, at best. more likely you are 10% or below.

I advise using https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359, it makes answering these kinds of questions much easier.

In all seriousness however, I do expect that the increase in rewards will motivate people to use creativity and teamwork and overcome the extra challenge.

what did hiseccers do to earn and keep their ability to run incursions?

absolutely nothing, get lost

I would like to respond back if I may. You have been telling us subscribers for a couple months now that you are making this change and that change benefiting null sec. No problem. You tell us your changing scanning, a huge game mechanic for some of us now useless not to mention obliterating the joy of working and then reaping from said challenge of probing for it in the first place. You just took a awesome part of mining and once again screwed it for us veteran miners that actually appreciated a little challenge in finding something worth while in high sec without going to null. Still no problem, stupid as it may be. Still think you guys did that because someone on your team was to lazy to probe but whatever. Then you release that video of the new change, where empires are crumbling and dying. Really and you want us to not think your planning to kill hi sec. What the hell, we aren't stupid and if this isn't your intention, fire that graphic designer you had come up with that video and issue a new one correcting the obvious condentation. Please stop being vague in coming soons, we don't need a carrot, what we want is straight forwardness and honest. Very simple things to ask yet never receive it seems. I like your work in the past and I hope for a promising future for eve, but if you want trust and admiration, please just tell us where you are planning to take eve so we don't waist each others time. Thanks Star

I would just like to ask. The dev blog didn't cover any of the lowsec ores, are there any plans to give them a buff too?