You assume many people care about such big blobs.

who wanted fleet warp to get removed? (or reduced possibility) someone in csm was pushing for it? or? im not totally sure about this.

Before CCP nerfed drone assist yea, they did fire your weapons for you.

Seeing as I don't have much in the way of drone skills He/She/It didn't do that for me at all. But to really ram the point home for you, when did the FC ever press jump for me? Where was the 'anchor on FC at 500' command? What about the "starburst 2 prop mod cycle" drop down menu?

*crickets chirp*

If bombers and combat probes are a problem... then fix them and that solves the problem. If there are 'other' things this change fixes, why is CCP being reticent with stating them? CCP Larrikans update to the opening post wasn't good enough just like the justification for this change coming from Manny.

CCP assuaging the butthurt of PL who were lost several engagements to BNI, (before hitting the IWIN super button) by making the life of the lesser player harder, unlevelling the Eve playing field if you will, is a terrible idea and that's before we start on the total clusterfvck this idea is in wormholes.

+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.

who wanted fleet warp to get removed? (or reduced possibility) someone in csm was pushing for it? or? im not totally sure about this.

One Manfred Sideous of Pandemic Legion, CSM rep and if you want tin foil, CCP Larriakn is formerly Bam Stroker, of Van Demons Demise, a member corp of Pandemic Legion.

It's almost as if currently people are working on mechanics they are familiar with, or have *abused* themselves in the past and see why eve be better off without it. Some rough edges still though.

Which would explain why the GSF reps are also pushing for this. Infact, most of the people who use these mechanics in a big way seem to be fans of the change, the ones who are kicking up a fuss are no name NPC alts and bad pilots who cant think for themselves, terrified at the thought of actually having to play EVE when they play EVE.

Which would explain why the GSF reps are also pushing for this. Infact, most of the people who use these mechanics in a big way seem to be fans of the change, the ones who are kicking up a fuss are no name NPC alts and bad pilots who cant think for themselves, terrified at the thought of actually having to play EVE when they play EVE.

And wormholers, since there's more to eve than nullsec and bombs - something oft forgotten

But hey, the WH CSM argued hard, right? They are not happy with the changes so are revisiting them. That's why the OP was posted as such that other over-affected areas were still being looked at. Or not, only after the tyre smoke of the uturn cleared, did that become clear: making it obvious it hadn't been given a second thought much less a care in the world.

Amusingly, no-one is really complaining about the impact in fights, it's about everything else that is crap with it. The scorched earth around what could be and should be a surgical fix.

But I suppose those guys warping alts to missions or gas sites were a demon to be crushed too, right?

Letting people warp to corp BMs would alleviate almost all of this (barring mixed corp fleets, but that's just another advantage to being in the same corp. Alliances need fixed).

Allowing them to warp to corp bookmarks means nothing changes.

We got along just fine before we had this command for fleets, back when probing took much longer to do. This isn't the doomsday you lot are getting into a flap about. Every single insurmountable problem brought up so far has been solved with just having a scout/warping someone there first.

Except the extensive propagation lag.

If a corp BM remains valid by the time it propagates in a a fight, the enemy is bad and deserve everything they're going to get.

No-one said insurmountable (except OGB), people are saying bad for quality of life out of fights, indisputably crap for WH dwellers - collateral damage.

People are unhappy because the intended impact has far too much collaterl damage which is utterly apparent that they have given not a single iota of thought to. It's an exceedingly poor way to act.

Well then lets ban fleet warps to gates and stations too, should keep you happy. Scouting is easy.

And anons.

In fact everything which isn't a player and make gates need to be scanned.

Scouting is easy.

I'm sure a bunch of never-log-in metagamers are a fan of a change they'll hardly ever have to experience, let's never mind the opinions of those who you know, actually undock every day and fly spaceships...

Good thing those things you entosis can be warped to directly

The appeal is in winning. ....

Seeing as I don't have much in the way of drone skills He/She/It didn't do that for me at all. But to really ram the point home for you, when did the FC ever press jump for me? Where was the 'anchor on FC at 500' command? What about the "starburst 2 prop mod cycle" drop down menu?

*crickets chirp*

... the ones who are kicking up a fuss are no name NPC alts and bad pilots who cant think for themselves, terrified at the thought of actually having to play EVE when they play EVE.

It's almost as if currently people are working on mechanics they are familiar with, or have *abused* themselves in the past and see why eve be better off without it. Some rough edges still though.