This is stupid. I recently got an alt account so I could participate more in my corp's pvp, but this would destroy what we do, and there'd be litterally no reason for me to have that account.

Who was so mad at getting outplayed that they lobbied this ridiculous change through? Whose ego is being catered to with this change? Whoever you are, HTFU you whiny space nerd. Those who are best at playing the game SHOULD win.

CCP, you are nerfing competent FCs by directly attacking the impact of their player skills. All this does is equal the playing field between the great FCs and the mediocre FCs. In effect, it dumbs the game down, and caters to the unskilled players getting smeared by the truly talented players. And all while masquerading as a change that will get fleet members more involved in fights.





Why slow down the game? Who was so mad at getting outplayed that they lobbied this ridiculous change through? Whose ego is being catered to with this change? Whoever you are, HTFU you whiny space nerd. Those who are best at playing the game SHOULD win.

This is not just about wormholes, bookmarks are equally important, If I (the scout) cannot get on top of the target without being de-cloaked, or said target is moving too fast from can-to-can in a relic site, we use our squad warps to land us in front of the target, or IN the cloud that would otherwise decloak us.

also, remember the people in areas away from cities where they don't have the luxury of high speed internet. they rely on their team for help in the event they hit a lag spike. just warp the guy to the safe... I have had this happen with a corp member twice

Lastly, no there is NOT always a scout as said 'scout' had to go back and re-ship because he/she is needed for dps or logi. Oh we found a Armageddon, we only have 5 people, no room for a scout we need dps, neuts, a jamgu would be nice. the scout found the target sure, but for some smaller groups there is no room for someone to sit around and watch. Leave the squad warp ability at least.

One thing I have noticed brought up on nearly every page; FC's using alts. I have been living in this Wormhole for quite some time and when we rage roll our hole for 'content'... namely more people to fight, we don't send an alt in to find the target and sit on it. We roll the hole, scan down the new, toss someone through it. Considering it is a rage roll we have 8-12 people online during our Peak times so we send 2-3 people in. Lets say we find a target, 3 Gila's are ratting in a combat site. Gila's are something to be reckoned with when fit right. Scouts come back and refit/reship bookmarking the site and where the gila's were sitting.

Assuming Standard Wormhole, not bonuses, we will grab the Devoter, 3 guardians, a second Devoter if possible, 2 guys in Jam ships to Jam them out is a bonus(we have 1 IF he is online) and all the DPS we can get. so lets assess the warp in, the DPS, the Guardians, and the Jamgu all will land at different times. some of our dps are in battlecruisers (myself in a Myrmidon). This presents a tactical problem that sure can be solved with simple math, but that math was already done by squad warp. now we get to waste unnecessary time calculating who jumps and when. So weight off the FC... no. Our FC using alts? no. Anyone using alts in that squad? again, no. You are negating the reason to Risk attacking those Gilas based on timing alone.

You guys who like to blame people using a thousand alts this is not everywhere. Wormhole space is nothing like Nullsec or known space for that matter. A group of 5-10 people can form into a Corp and have a POS and control their own little C1 wormhole without the need for territorial claim units or titans or caps... or even battleships. do we evict them? maybe if we REALLY hate them. Why not? because we love content and fights, and not evicting them means we get to roll into them later and fight again. Getting the drop on a ratting Gila or a ratting Rattlesnake is almost always done after someone rolls into a new, unscanned wormhole. This means we may only have a few minutes to form fleet, get to the wormhole that guy is in, and get the jump on it.

Not all FC's need alts. Fleet warp is used constantly without alt's and you seem to be basing your entire argument on alt's. I don't have any alt's nor intend to. and some of the folk's I play with spend more time in the climbing gym than they do on this game. Quit recking the game for the sake of making PL's life easier in terms of their preferred way of combat or PVP. It is about the Community as a whole, not one nook of EVE where a particular group thrives and would be better suited if people couldn't fleet warp on top of them.

I understand the reasons and the advantages behind this idea.
But I dislike it a lot : it's a huge penalty for small roaming gangs.

FCs used a lot of their personnal time to scout a target area, doing bookmarks and using it to move their gangs. And now they have to throw all that effort to trash if they can't warp their gang to these BM.
Sparing BM with corporation is not useful when half of fleet is not in the corpo, and small gangs have rarely ships to split from fleet to be a warp point.

Please don't punish LS for null-sec sins. I have faith in you, CCP, I'm sure you can find a better idea :)

Some posters casually dismiss the serious concerns of wormhole residents, with pithy statements like get warp-to scouts to sit on the WHs in our chains. Imagine if system gates are NOT 'public' and you need to have scouts sit on zero on them for fleet OPs. For huge alliance such as the goons and pl with hundreds of ships at their disposal in their regions, it's not a problem. But for many much smaller, corps the changes are a problem.

no more 1 person with 87 Dominix accounts warping to one location at the same time.
+1 for not enabling multiboxers any longer.

Sounds like a perfect time to go recruit some new players and get them into low SP scout ships.

the bookmark delay, and not to be able to warp fleet to wormhole bookmarks 'etc. would be an really big extra pain in the ass.

Sounds like a perfect time to go recruit some new players and get them into low SP scout ships.

Sounds like a perfect time for CCP to attract some new players to the game so we can recruit them. That would involve not making bone-headed suggestions that make Eve less fun to play.

the bookmark delay, and not to be able to warp fleet to wormhole bookmarks 'etc. would be an really big extra pain in the ass.

no more 1 person with 87 Dominix accounts warping to one location at the same time.
+1 for not enabling multiboxers any longer.

yet another update that ruins some people game..

it have to stop somewhere, players play the game because they like it as it is, changing its balance to a degree is a good thing Fozzie. Changing the major things that make the game work is NOT good Mr Fozzie.

You just changed how bomber fleets work, how MOST pilots act in the fleet. meaning that yet again you pissed off a lot of your clients. Sorry Fozzie but i really fail to see how thats a good outcome.

Please stop changing/ruining our game.

Way I see it, this is more fun than waiting for some pilot I have most likely never met face-to-face tell me to press F1 while he does all the rest of the work.

Unless, you know, I am missing something.

You get your new low SP scout friend to warp to the site to scout. At the point the all-clear is given, warp to the scout.

If you don't need to go to the sight right away, then have the scout make a corp bookmark. The delay does not apply to this since you are delaying going to the site right away anyway.

Way I see it, this is more fun than waiting for some pilot I have most likely never met face-to-face tell me to press F1 while he does all the rest of the work.

Unless, you know, I am missing something.

You're assuming this does not happen already. People are asked to step up for scout roles and they are crucial for fleets. I don't understand why people keep assuming scouts and warp-ins don't exist at the moment. They do, and they do exactly what we're talking about.

Teach them how to fly their ships then and ...

You are missing something, you don't live in a wormhole from what I can tell... #1 RULE of wormhole space is what? CLOAK. what do scouts do? Cloak and dagger. What do paranoid wormhole bears do? put scouts at 15km from wormhole.

What you are missing is if we have a scout at 0 on a wormhole, as with gates, you are De-cloaked. enemy scout can see you, they are gone or now prepping an ambush. The element of surprise is a vital component in wormhole space combat.

What you are missing #2; Most wormhole corps don't have low SP counter parts. If you don't have cloaking 4 minimum, a covops ship you are either in one of the wormhole newb training corps or you are a daytripper. Some lower requirement WH corps entail.... about 10-12 million SP. So don't expect a low SP friend to do that.

What you are missing #3; As a person who enjoys bringing friends and others into games I enjoy playing, I'm not going to force a new player into boredom sitting his hide on a wormhole as a scout, he/she will be a part of the fight even if I think they will get killed because that is what gets people to stay in this game when it comes to PVP. That they are IN the fights, not hearing about it over the comms.

Information overload.
It is a thing.

Right now the FC ship is also the probing ship most of the time, they don't need an alt.

Very rarely, when he feels ballsy enough to fit links, AND a combat probes, AND evade anti-booster hunters.

More often than not, one FC alt is in an off-grid or on-grid boosting ship that is just boosting in the FC/WC position. The other alt is probing stuff down, that the first alt then warps people to. Which is what this "change" supposedly wants to force.

Ask your skirmish commanders who are in 90% of fleets by count.