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Orion Moonstar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:44:00 - [841] Originally by: Jayne Cobbe http://ccp.is/bitmaps/splash/splash.jpg CARE MORE! http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m128/skyl3lazer/whocares.png http://www.dariusjohnson.org/dec20bobts.mp3 http://www.daitengu.com/ohgod/dec20bobts.mp3
JCache Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [842] I really can't decide if I give a shit. Since they raised the prices and wiped out the 30 and 90 day GTCs I wasn't using my second account anyway. It's not the question if I will reactivate that account again, but if quit EVE for good. Well, we'll see what happens when they get greedy... Please refrain from moderating on the discussion forums.
Miluuu Imperium Galactica	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [843] I am happy with this change, but if the mechanish change then I really would ask for a skill queue. 1 Active skill in training and 1 more to be trained is more than enought for me.
Little help	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [844] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We're currently writing a Dev Blog that will explain a bit more about this change and why we chose to introduce it, as soon as it's ready we'll publish it. FU I am currently writing a blog to explain the meaning and reasons behind this message :)
Junkie Beverage GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [845] quit making changes very few people want you bunch of jerks
Aganola Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [846] Originally by: Wynteryth Fett Originally by: Aganola I'm SIGNING here with THREE ACCOUNTS... DON'T FRIGGIN TELL ME THAT BECAUSE I TRIED TO BYPASS THE STUPID TIMESINK CALLED SKILL TRAINING BY PAYING FOR 3 ACCOUNTS THAT I SHOULD AT LEAST NOT GET ANY BENEFIT FROM IT! I'm paying 300% over and get screwed hard after okt. 15th? Count me out! Congratulations... I was paying for three accounts... when my sub ends in november I may not renew it at all... not even one of them! You aren't paying 300% over. You aren't paying 100% over. You are paying for your subscriptions. This does not affect you. This affects accounts that are inactive/expired. And, From what I have seen, inactive/expired means that they aren't paid up. Now, if they were to change what INACTIVE means, then you might have a gripe. Otherwise, you are over-reacting because you don't understand what is being said. the hell it does not affect me? Do you think I could afford three accs without ghost training? I envy those guys who pay for 10+accs withouth a twitch while I gather together enough money to be happy with 3... ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
Goklayeh	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [847] I like to play some time eve and than,take ab breake.Skilling in breakes make eve especialy for casual Player,interesting. If ccp wants to make me a all time player,forget it.....
Col Callahan Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:45:00 - [848] I do not support this in any way shape or forum. This is a feature so that when I don't feel like playing eve for a month I can put my eve life on hold but still come back to a long skill trained and ready to go. I remember back when I frist started this was sold and a feature and I can see no other reason other then greed as to why they would just out fo the blue take this feature out. Although I have not used this feature in a very long time. I still know people who have lives and sometimes need to take a break. I also like knowing that I can do it at any time if I need a break form eve. I may have a life worth living some day In short, this is a terrible idea but I suspect it has something to do with skill training ques. _ Clusters shut down, and then you stare at a black screen for 5 hours.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [849] Originally by: Fred Ayurveda Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 13/10/2008 20:38:42 Originally by: Jayne Cobbe Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: fiber0pti CCP = GREED No: FAIR! Honestly, if you want to train, then you pay subscription! If you have to leave, you stop training, when you wants to return, you return, and starts from where you ended! THAT is fair to those of us who do PAY and PLAY! Then let us stop invention/production and stuff too and see how fair works out in the long term. <--------gamplay \| RL ---------------> What you are speaking about is GAME RELATED ACTIVITY which is GAME PLAY! What I am speaking about - and CCP i guess - is who is going to earn on NOT PAYING SUBSCRIPTION to allow gameplay! It is fundamentaly unfair to those who do PAY that those who quit can earn something which is for paying customers only! So in a aspect, they get an unfair advantage! Saving real life money, while still earning something others have to PAY for! So yes, its a good move by CCP!!! ** you for siding with the duplicitous corporation over your fellow players. Strictly speaking: those who are not paying subscriptions are NOT FELLOW PLAYERS! I support the customers who PAY and PLAY! I dont support cheapskapes who wants everything free, and whine when they cant have it! Besides, watch your manners! namecalling is for idiots only Originally by:** Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Proud American GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [850] It's a good thing CCP has several community managers whose job it is to talk to the community when issues such as these appear. Where did the following people go? CCP Applebabe Community Representative CCP Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Mitnal Community Representative CCP Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP WeatherMan Community Representative CCP Wrangler Community Manager

Cueball Mcfuzz Groon Research	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [851] Originally by: Fred Ayurveda Just want to note that all of the players who are siding with CCP on this really don't have a leg to stand on- they are straight up bad people. Ghost Training doesn't hurt them, and helps other players. Now these disgusting specimens are SUPPORTING THE evil, cheating corporation just because they never took advantage of that specific feature. As sholes. yup
Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [852] Quote: I think the Wednesday, 15 October 2008, is a day to finish playing eve-online! Ghost Training is one of the reason I play this game, cause I haven't the time for permanent playing. WTF? You do realise they are not talking about skills training while you aren't logged in, but skills training on accounts that are no longer being paid for?
Miriyaka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [853] Originally by: Aeronith Edited by: Aeronith on 13/10/2008 20:43:18 Originally by: Mrs Fastener Here's a tip: Go play Star Wars Galaxies. At SOE, the devs cave in regularly to crybaby carebears. At least here, we get what we pay for, and agreed to. Over there, you get what some 12 year old kid cries for. So...about that speed nerf... Really, what's the deal with that? Heh. Woah, they don't like that so much, uh... Hey guys, look over here at this even bigger ****-you! Yeah, that's right, how do you like that? Forgot all about that other issue yet? I mean, what other issue?
Konrad Wachsmann Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [854] Originally by: Kif Originally by: Wynteryth Fett Gee, I don't know. The Vast Universe it covers. Which you need more than one account to even do half of the interesting things in eve. Originally by: Wynteryth Fett The Time based skill training. Which you need more than one account to progress in the game faster Originally by: Wynteryth Fett The lack of quest campers. The fact that its changing alot. Which will stop changing now that half the playerbases accounts aren't going to be active at all. Originally by: Wynteryth Fett The Player owned structures.. Which are fueled, managed, moved and built by alternate accounts Originally by: Wynteryth Fett Are you really that obtuse to think that most people joined EVE because they could just sit back and not play their character for months on end and their characters would all of a sudden be these UBER Pilots, then you are the one with the issue. Most people play eve because they have fun on their main but in order to actually explore the content in the game faster than snails pace they have to get more than one account. CCP should be damn well happy that they get away with all but requiring you to have more than one account. People were ok with running more than one account since you could juggle it with timecards and clever skill training but this totally ****s over people, especially people who bought into power of two. Ah got to it before I did, well said.
Rongar Maximus	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [855] Originally by: Hertford Originally by: CCP Wrangler We're currently writing a Dev Blog that will explain a bit more about this change and why we chose to introduce it, as soon as it's ready we'll publish it. As soon as it's ready? So, Thursday then? Friday, at the latest.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [856] Originally by: CCP Fallout A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not. We understand that this is a hot topic amongst players, and request that you discuss this necessary change without breaking the forum rules. Its kind of amazing that your only thoughts at making this game better only make it worse for the player. ex. Speed ner People that spend billions on snake sets and speed mods are now useless ex. Timecard issue people can no longer get 30 days with timecards only 60 and they are more expensive then the old 90 days You should actaully try to maybe innovate an idea to get people to actually want to play your game for a change just as though tho.
Nina Korgan	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [857] Originally by: CCP Fallout This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not. Maybe it upsets the balance of the game when you are laboring under the assumption that all players started playing when the game came out. As it stands, this is going to hurt new players, casual players, and players with multiple accounts all at once.
Loki Faulk	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [858] Here is the summary of the argument: Pro the change (kill ghost training): - very few people hold this position, many of them seem to not notice that those complaining have multiple accounts, and the main argument is "why get something for free"? Also, these people are obviously die-hards, and won't be quitting the game. They have been playing this game with ghost-training the whole time, and haven't quit yet. Against the change (keep ghost training): - very many people are angry about this change. Many of these people have multiple accounts, and they don't keep all of them active all the time. These people represent a decent part of your revenue stream, running multiple accounts - a practice which you push with things such as your "power of two" promotions, among others. As has been mentioned, allowing a skill to train while unsubbed gives a lot of players a reason to come back to this game. Ultimately, this will cause a lot of players to quit playing the game, or to dump a lot of their alt accounts. Where you had revenue before, you will have less or none. And you won't get people coming into the game because of "wow, what a great change" to make up for it. When you have a stable dynamic such as ghost training, which is a "perk" of playing the game, and then you remove it, you will make some players angry enough that they will just quit playing outright. Lost revenue. Also, as people can generally only manage a few accounts at once, but may be paying for a few more than that, you will see account consolidation or just accounts being dropped. You have built this game in such a way that it isn't easy to explore a lot of the high-end options: 1 pilot training per account and no skill queue. The fact that we could lapse an innactive account made sense for the way that you setup the training in the first place. In summary, any perceived benefit you may be getting (making the "fair-play" crowd happy, getting players to pay more money) is going to be quite offset by the cost (losing alt accounts, losing players, not getting unsubbed players back). Reconsider the change please.
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [859] Originally by: Orion Moonstar Originally by: Jayne Cobbe http://ccp.is/bitmaps/splash/splash.jpg CARE MORE! http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m128/skyl3lazer/whocares.png Lol a funny in a failthread
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [860] Originally by: Caiman Graystock Quote: I think the Wednesday, 15 October 2008, is a day to finish playing eve-online! Ghost Training is one of the reason I play this game, cause I haven't the time for permanent playing. WTF? You do realise they are not talking about skills training while you aren't logged in, but skills training on accounts that are no longer being paid for? Oh... that's what they are talking about? Oh, i thought it was some game mechanic that had been in place for 5 years. If that's all then yeah, they should probably get rid of it for all teh extra jewgold. -----

Fred Ayurveda	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:48:00 - [861] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Fred Ayurveda Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 13/10/2008 20:38:42 Originally by: Jayne Cobbe Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: fiber0pti CCP = GREED No: FAIR! Honestly, if you want to train, then you pay subscription! If you have to leave, you stop training, when you wants to return, you return, and starts from where you ended! THAT is fair to those of us who do PAY and PLAY! Then let us stop invention/production and stuff too and see how fair works out in the long term. <--------gamplay \| RL ---------------> What you are speaking about is GAME RELATED ACTIVITY which is GAME PLAY! What I am speaking about - and CCP i guess - is who is going to earn on NOT PAYING SUBSCRIPTION to allow gameplay! It is fundamentaly unfair to those who do PAY that those who quit can earn something which is for paying customers only! So in a aspect, they get an unfair advantage! Saving real life money, while still earning something others have to PAY for! So yes, its a good move by CCP!!! **** you for siding with the duplicitous corporation over your fellow players. Strictly speaking: those who are not paying subscriptions are NOT FELLOW PLAYERS! I support the customers who PAY and PLAY! I dont support cheapskapes who wants everything free, and whine when they cant have it! Besides, watch your manners! namecalling is for idiots only Haha, I didn't namecall, then you call me an idiot? I'll call you an idiot now, though- get out of your mother's basement and consider why you could possibly be against your fellow players and with the corporation on this. You're either in CCP, want to fellate them, or...I don't even know.
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:49:00 - [862] CCP get rid of 30d GTC: people stop training alts CCP get rid of "ghost training": people stop using alts CCP aims for 1 character -> 1 person... ________________________________________
Ithnolin	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:49:00 - [863] Hey, all you whiny crybabies that are going to quit over this...I will buy your accounts for 1 isk each. You aren't going to use them any more, so why waste em? I will buy them.
Sprobe Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:49:00 - [864] go and do something good for the game, not **** off the community. never to old to play
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:49:00 - [865] Originally by: Proud American It's a good thing CCP has several community managers whose job it is to talk to the community when issues such as these appear. Where did the following people go? CCP Applebabe Community Representative CCP Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Mitnal Community Representative CCP Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP WeatherMan Community Representative CCP Wrangler Community Manager It was cheaper to leave the socalled talking with the playerbase to player community council people. You dont have to pay those, you can kick them out anytime you want and of course you can even listen less well to them....
Athena Attom The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [866] l o l posting in a lol thread. I like the ccp members name who posted it aswell!
deadEd GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [867] Originally by: Kerdrak CCP get rid of 30d GTC: people stop training alts CCP get rid of "ghost training": people stop using alts CCP aims for 1 character -> 1 person... CCP aims for 1 character per person: Main characters burn out quicker and have no reason to resub ever again
Wikka Mosquito Squad	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [868] I can only think CCP has lost the will to live - Every move of late has been to dissuade people from playing. Drone/carrier nerf - ****ed off all the characters who spent a long time training for it. Speed nerf - a total rewrite of the game rules so even more characters feel they have wasted their time. timecode change - destroyed the ability of many low expendable income people to play consistently. & now a change to totaly destroy low income players ability to compensate by training a long skill whils they save for another time code. I for one will no longer be able to justify multiple accounts or supporting my nephew's second account. Result úúú - Lose 4 accounts. It's a pity I realy love EVE i've been playing for over 4 years too bad CCP seems Intent on following the Icelandic economy down the pan.......
Majuan Shuo Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [869] funny...my account is closing in a few days and i was planning on training BS5 and coming back once school was done not anymore...screw you CCP
WeightedCompanionCube Aperture Science Enrichment Center	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [870] Edited by: WeightedCompanionCube on 13/10/2008 20:50:44 It's interesting to go back to http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866&page=1 the GTC change thread from May. Check some of the people who announced they were canceling their account(s) and try to see through killboards or forum posts what became of their firm intentions. So far all of them are still very much active.



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