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AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2005.08.24 20:17:00 - [391] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/08/2005 13:22:25 Originally by: AlleyKat The Thorax is a skills-heavy ship, FGS don't nerf the drone bay! I have an alt that in 3 days time could fly a plate rax without drones. Within the week he could have decent small gunnery skills. With just basic drone skills this Thorax and 150k SP ( if that ) is capable of holding its own vs. a dedicated cruiser pilot witn 3+mil SP of another race. Ballance? No. The thorax gets better exponentially... other cruisers don't have the ability. Disagree, I took this from the Thorax set-up link from one of the GM's. (thanks, Dash Ripcock) Originally by: Dash Ripcock Thorax Electron II setup: High 4 * Heavy Electron Blaster IIs 1 * M Nosferatu I (Named) Medium 1 * 10Mn MWD I (Named) 1 * Webifer (X5 or better) 1 * Warp Scrambler (7.5km) Low 1 * RCU II 3 * Hardeners (Exp/Therm/Kin) OR 3 * Energized Adaptive Nano II 1 * M Armour Rep II Drones 4 * Praetors (EM) 4 * Bezerkers (Explosive) Are you telling me that this kind of setup doesn't take months and months to obtain? And now you want to nerf it all to hell? If you think the Thorax is that good and that powerful, I have a suggestion for you, just train it up, oh, I forgot, you are training up your alt for a Thorax anyway.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.24 20:27:00 - [392] Originally by: 656587 The thorax is an example of why EvE is not as popular as WoW. No ship smaller than a battleship should have a chance of killing one. Unless they form a large gang of small ships might they have a chance. That is like saying a level 1 barbarian with a dirk can kill a level 2 barbarian with a heavy sword. Makes no sense. A battle ships is expensive (60-110million isk). There are too many kinds of guns and cruisers/frigs etc.. Why cant EvE just have 1 of each ship and this will end all this confusion. 1 frig, 1 cruiser, 1 battle ship. And 1 size of gun for each. End of story. There are to many variables in eve to make it an enjoyable game compared to WoW and it is obvious who has the most customers. WoW is a on the other spectrum of gaming. Its for ye ol' luvers that whipe with parchment paper. Who cares if its more popular... Its still a boring game to many. Look on the bright side... EVE doesn't have the bugs of Galaxies nor the handbound development staff of City of Heroes. Both those games loose customers every week what eve looses in a year. The game isn't going anywhere because of a overpowered ship. jide's oBject eXplorer The Nest
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2005.08.24 20:27:00 - [393] Originally by: 656587 The thorax is an example of why EvE is not as popular as WoW. No ship smaller than a battleship should have a chance of killing one. Unless they form a large gang of small ships might they have a chance. That is like saying a level 1 barbarian with a dirk can kill a level 2 barbarian with a heavy sword. Makes no sense. A battle ships is expensive (60-110million isk). There are too many kinds of guns and cruisers/frigs etc.. Why cant EvE just have 1 of each ship and this will end all this confusion. 1 frig, 1 cruiser, 1 battle ship. And 1 size of gun for each. End of story. There are to many variables in eve to make it an enjoyable game compared to WoW and it is obvious who has the most customers. WoW is a on the other spectrum of gaming. Its for ye ol' luvers that whipe with parchment paper. Who cares if its more popular... Its still a boring game to many. Look on the bright side... EVE doesn't have the bugs of Galaxies nor the handbound development staff of City of Heroes. Both those games loose customers every week what eve looses in a year. The game isn't going anywhere because of a overpowered ship. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.24 20:36:00 - [394] Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/08/2005 13:22:25 Originally by: AlleyKat The Thorax is a skills-heavy ship, FGS don't nerf the drone bay! I have an alt that in 3 days time could fly a plate rax without drones. Within the week he could have decent small gunnery skills. With just basic drone skills this Thorax and 150k SP ( if that ) is capable of holding its own vs. a dedicated cruiser pilot witn 3+mil SP of another race. Ballance? No. The thorax gets better exponentially... other cruisers don't have the ability. Disagree, I took this from the Thorax set-up link from one of the GM's. (thanks, Dash Ripcock) Originally by: Dash Ripcock Thorax Electron II setup: High 4 * Heavy Electron Blaster IIs 1 * M Nosferatu I (Named) Medium 1 * 10Mn MWD I (Named) 1 * Webifer (X5 or better) 1 * Warp Scrambler (7.5km) Low 1 * RCU II 3 * Hardeners (Exp/Therm/Kin) OR 3 * Energized Adaptive Nano II 1 * M Armour Rep II Drones 4 * Praetors (EM) 4 * Bezerkers (Explosive) Are you telling me that this kind of setup doesn't take months and months to obtain? And now you want to nerf it all to hell? If you think the Thorax is that good and that powerful, I have a suggestion for you, just train it up, oh, I forgot, you are training up your alt for a Thorax anyway. Actually I build alts for other races because I collect characters. I can fly a thorax with this character better than most people can fly their own races ships. I've used thoraxes since September 2003 and I refuse to use them in their state. I don't use a thorax on my alt but I CAN. Btw the setup you posted is a specialized setup which the thorax DOESN'T NEED to be effective. LOL don't try to tell me what I do with my chars. I have one of every race and they can all fly Cruisers AND/OR BSs from their race tree. As soon as the Khanid Characters come out I will be dumping a matari place holder for that. Does that mean I am going to train it up to fly a thorax? Hell no because I can fly thorax on my Gallente Char AND this main ( which I need to fly a deimos AND Machariel FYI ) Try to catch some other person being slinky... I don't grief, won't grief, nor exploit game mechanics to get cheep thrills. jide's oBject eXplorer The Nest
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2005.08.24 20:36:00 - [395] Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/08/2005 13:22:25 Originally by: AlleyKat The Thorax is a skills-heavy ship, FGS don't nerf the drone bay! I have an alt that in 3 days time could fly a plate rax without drones. Within the week he could have decent small gunnery skills. With just basic drone skills this Thorax and 150k SP ( if that ) is capable of holding its own vs. a dedicated cruiser pilot witn 3+mil SP of another race. Ballance? No. The thorax gets better exponentially... other cruisers don't have the ability. Disagree, I took this from the Thorax set-up link from one of the GM's. (thanks, Dash Ripcock) Originally by: Dash Ripcock Thorax Electron II setup: High 4 * Heavy Electron Blaster IIs 1 * M Nosferatu I (Named) Medium 1 * 10Mn MWD I (Named) 1 * Webifer (X5 or better) 1 * Warp Scrambler (7.5km) Low 1 * RCU II 3 * Hardeners (Exp/Therm/Kin) OR 3 * Energized Adaptive Nano II 1 * M Armour Rep II Drones 4 * Praetors (EM) 4 * Bezerkers (Explosive) Are you telling me that this kind of setup doesn't take months and months to obtain? And now you want to nerf it all to hell? If you think the Thorax is that good and that powerful, I have a suggestion for you, just train it up, oh, I forgot, you are training up your alt for a Thorax anyway. Actually I build alts for other races because I collect characters. I can fly a thorax with this character better than most people can fly their own races ships. I've used thoraxes since September 2003 and I refuse to use them in their state. I don't use a thorax on my alt but I CAN. Btw the setup you posted is a specialized setup which the thorax DOESN'T NEED to be effective. LOL don't try to tell me what I do with my chars. I have one of every race and they can all fly Cruisers AND/OR BSs from their race tree. As soon as the Khanid Characters come out I will be dumping a matari place holder for that. Does that mean I am going to train it up to fly a thorax? Hell no because I can fly thorax on my Gallente Char AND this main ( which I need to fly a deimos AND Machariel FYI ) Try to catch some other person being slinky... I don't grief, won't grief, nor exploit game mechanics to get cheep thrills. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Bottled Brain	Posted - 2005.08.24 21:48:00 - [396] Edited by: Bottled Brain on 24/08/2005 21:49:12 Originally by: TomB Posted - 2004.08.04 15:17:00 The thorax drone bay nerf has been removed for now since drones are more fight'able, doesn't seem needed at the moment. Drones and drone bays will get a look at later on in the future. Cruiser 2nd bonuses in testing A year goes by really fast.^^
Bottled Brain	Posted - 2005.08.24 21:48:00 - [397] Edited by: Bottled Brain on 24/08/2005 21:49:12 Originally by: TomB Posted - 2004.08.04 15:17:00 The thorax drone bay nerf has been removed for now since drones are more fight'able, doesn't seem needed at the moment. Drones and drone bays will get a look at later on in the future. Cruiser 2nd bonuses in testing A year goes by really fast.^^
Voltron	Posted - 2005.08.25 02:22:00 - [398] I've got gallente cruiser 5, and at the moment I will not fly a thorax b/c I feel its an "I win" button. I've been flying stabbers/ruptures/augorors etc, ships that can actually be a challenge to fly and fit. As soon as the drone bay isnt so ridiculous on the rax I'll start flyin her again......I'll also start fightin them again cause maybe then everyone and their dog won't be using the cookie cutter plate-rax. Volt
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2005.08.25 02:22:00 - [399] I've got gallente cruiser 5, and at the moment I will not fly a thorax b/c I feel its an "I win" button. I've been flying stabbers/ruptures/augorors etc, ships that can actually be a challenge to fly and fit. As soon as the drone bay isnt so ridiculous on the rax I'll start flyin her again......I'll also start fightin them again cause maybe then everyone and their dog won't be using the cookie cutter plate-rax. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
Aleis	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:02:00 - [400] I can't fly one but looking at them simply on principle they need to be changed.. I'm not saying Straight up nerf them if they don't need it but a cruiser that has a drone bay thats larger than most Battleships dronebays isn't right. Specificly when it Isn't The drone carrier cruiser! If they are "ballenced" as they are then sure give them a little more grid/cpu maybe a slot to offset the change but they definatly do need to have a smaller drone bay.
Aleis Minmatar	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:02:00 - [401] I can't fly one but looking at them simply on principle they need to be changed.. I'm not saying Straight up nerf them if they don't need it but a cruiser that has a drone bay thats larger than most Battleships dronebays isn't right. Specificly when it Isn't The drone carrier cruiser! If they are "ballenced" as they are then sure give them a little more grid/cpu maybe a slot to offset the change but they definatly do need to have a smaller drone bay.
doyouneedcash	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:13:00 - [402] can you dig it? let us be honest here folks, the rax has to big of a drone bay, lets reduce the drone bay to a degree that is inline with other crusers, and then see where it stands. reduction to say, 75 or 100m3 for drone bay, and leave grid/cap as is? lets just try it.
doyouneedcash	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:13:00 - [403] can you dig it? let us be honest here folks, the rax has to big of a drone bay, lets reduce the drone bay to a degree that is inline with other crusers, and then see where it stands. reduction to say, 75 or 100m3 for drone bay, and leave grid/cap as is? lets just try it.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:45:00 - [404] badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495
DrunkenOne Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.08.25 03:45:00 - [405] badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Narial Thrikill	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:00:00 - [406] Edited by: Narial Thrikill on 25/08/2005 04:00:37 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/08/2005 13:22:25 Originally by: AlleyKat The Thorax is a skills-heavy ship, FGS don't nerf the drone bay! I have an alt that in 3 days time could fly a plate rax without drones. Within the week he could have decent small gunnery skills. With just basic drone skills this Thorax and 150k SP ( if that ) is capable of holding its own vs. a dedicated cruiser pilot witn 3+mil SP of another race. Ballance? No. The thorax gets better exponentially... other cruisers don't have the ability. wouldnt you be able to do this with any cruiser? say a rupture? the rupture has the same number of low and medium slots, but 1 more high slot. you could use 4 light autocannons (that use 0 cap) while you wait for drones? and it's a long wait for drone skills, no joke.
Narial Thrikill	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:00:00 - [407] Edited by: Narial Thrikill on 25/08/2005 04:00:37 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 24/08/2005 13:22:25 Originally by: AlleyKat The Thorax is a skills-heavy ship, FGS don't nerf the drone bay! I have an alt that in 3 days time could fly a plate rax without drones. Within the week he could have decent small gunnery skills. With just basic drone skills this Thorax and 150k SP ( if that ) is capable of holding its own vs. a dedicated cruiser pilot witn 3+mil SP of another race. Ballance? No. The thorax gets better exponentially... other cruisers don't have the ability. wouldnt you be able to do this with any cruiser? say a rupture? the rupture has the same number of low and medium slots, but 1 more high slot. you could use 4 light autocannons (that use 0 cap) while you wait for drones? and it's a long wait for drone skills, no joke.
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:02:00 - [408] Originally by: Aleis I'm not saying Straight up nerf them if they don't need it but a cruiser that has a drone bay thats larger than most Battleships dronebays isn't right. Specificly when it Isn't The drone carrier cruiser! Somebody hasn't been reading the whole thread. I'll quote it straight from the game. Originally by: "Thorax Description" The Thorax-class cruiser is the latest combat ship commissioned by the Federation. While the Thorax is a very effective ship at any range, typical of modern Gallente design philosophy it is most effective when working at extreme close range where it's blasters and hordes of combat drones tear through even the toughest of enemies. for comparison: Originally by: "Vexor Description" The Vexor is a strong combat ship that is also geared to operate in a variety of other roles. The Vexor is especially useful for surveying in potentially hostile sectors as it can stay on duty for a very long time before having to return to base. Furthermore, it is well capable of defending itself against even concentrated attacks. If the argument of "don't believe everything you read" flies, then just ignore this and make up whatever reality suits your argument...but the argument of "The thorax isn't the premier drone cruiser in the game" simply doesn't jive with the in-game fiction and a longer-than-2-year-precident. The Vexor has always been a one-step-down-but-decent-cruiser, the Thorax has always been the top-of-the-line-get-close-and-pwn-with-drones cruiser. I've said it several times, and nobody seems to be able to wrap their minds around the concept: Thorax needs superior damage over time, because it has less time to do that damage in. A non-plated thorax will be down to half armor, maybe less by the time its drones and blasters reach their effective range. Meanwhile, the target is unscathed. Take away the thoraxes firepower, and it loses every time. As for killing battleships...this is a unique function of the thorax's close-range dominance, not 8 heavy drones. A cruiser orbiting 1km from an average battleship can't be hit. Kit it to gank, and it's going to have a good chance of rocking a battleship. Take the plate from the thorax, and you have a properly balanced ship. It will have a high probability of victory if combat starts inside 20km, it will likely lose if combat starts outside 20km. Take the drones from the thorax, and some other plated cruiser will take its turn in the "overpowered" limelight. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:02:00 - [409] Originally by: Aleis I'm not saying Straight up nerf them if they don't need it but a cruiser that has a drone bay thats larger than most Battleships dronebays isn't right. Specificly when it Isn't The drone carrier cruiser! Somebody hasn't been reading the whole thread. I'll quote it straight from the game. Originally by: "Thorax Description" The Thorax-class cruiser is the latest combat ship commissioned by the Federation. While the Thorax is a very effective ship at any range, typical of modern Gallente design philosophy it is most effective when working at extreme close range where it's blasters and hordes of combat drones tear through even the toughest of enemies. for comparison: Originally by: "Vexor Description" The Vexor is a strong combat ship that is also geared to operate in a variety of other roles. The Vexor is especially useful for surveying in potentially hostile sectors as it can stay on duty for a very long time before having to return to base. Furthermore, it is well capable of defending itself against even concentrated attacks. If the argument of "don't believe everything you read" flies, then just ignore this and make up whatever reality suits your argument...but the argument of "The thorax isn't the premier drone cruiser in the game" simply doesn't jive with the in-game fiction and a longer-than-2-year-precident. The Vexor has always been a one-step-down-but-decent-cruiser, the Thorax has always been the top-of-the-line-get-close-and-pwn-with-drones cruiser. I've said it several times, and nobody seems to be able to wrap their minds around the concept: Thorax needs superior damage over time, because it has less time to do that damage in. A non-plated thorax will be down to half armor, maybe less by the time its drones and blasters reach their effective range. Meanwhile, the target is unscathed. Take away the thoraxes firepower, and it loses every time. As for killing battleships...this is a unique function of the thorax's close-range dominance, not 8 heavy drones. A cruiser orbiting 1km from an average battleship can't be hit. Kit it to gank, and it's going to have a good chance of rocking a battleship. Take the plate from the thorax, and you have a properly balanced ship. It will have a high probability of victory if combat starts inside 20km, it will likely lose if combat starts outside 20km. Take the drones from the thorax, and some other plated cruiser will take its turn in the "overpowered" limelight.
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:09:00 - [410] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:11:48 Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 Yes. And look at the battleship kits on the solo battleship kills. A mining 'thron. An mwd scorpion with mid-slots wasted on too many non-ecm items. A typhoon with cruiser class weapons. And a thorax loss an average of every 4 days. I believe I had mentioned "high risk, high return" somewhere. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:09:00 - [411] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:11:48 Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 Yes. And look at the battleship kits on the solo battleship kills. A mining 'thron. An mwd scorpion with mid-slots wasted on too many non-ecm items. A typhoon with cruiser class weapons. And a thorax loss an average of every 4 days. I believe I had mentioned "high risk, high return" somewhere.
Fidelis Deus	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:34:00 - [412] Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 You know, I think all frigates are overpowered, some newbie in a frigate killed me in my mining ship. I paid like 5 mil for that mining osprey, I should be able to press a little button that says blow ship that costs less then me up... Oh wait, it's a mining ship... If both pilots are decently skilled, the bigger more expensive ship wins. If the cruiser pilot has a big advantage in skills(both SP and tactics) he may be able to beat a larger battleship(shield tanked apoc).
Fidelis Deus	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:34:00 - [413] Edited by: Fidelis Deus on 25/08/2005 04:37:15 Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 You know, I think all frigates are overpowered, some newbie in a frigate killed me in my mining ship. I paid like 5 mil for that mining osprey, I should be able to press a little button that says blow ship that costs less then me up... Oh wait, it's a mining ship... If both pilots are decently skilled, the bigger more expensive ship wins. If the cruiser pilot has a big advantage in skills(both SP and tactics) he may be able to beat a larger battleship(shield tanked apoc). Unlike WoW or D2, the larger ship should not win simply because he is the larger ship.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:37:00 - [414] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 04:37:31 Garreck... thats the most ridiculous point ever. I could hop into a Thorax, and fly into HED and attack battleships until I'm lucky enough to catch one with a crappy setup and kill it. I could then repeat this numerous times, losing several Thorax in the process. This doesn't mean the Thorax is on par with other cruisers. It means I'm using a Thorax over and over to attack larger ships. Just because you see a bunch of Thorax losses on a killboard doesn't mean it sucks, it means that because its overpowered and thus so popular, its being overused. Killboards have no place in this arguement. Also, god, if you'd read any of my bazillion other threads, you'd know that a Thorax, approaching with a MWD and a 1600mm plate, can take thousands of points of damage on the approach, but once it's in under the enemy's guns and letting loose with its 253 DPS, it doesn't matter much. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:37:00 - [415] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 04:37:31 Garreck... thats the most ridiculous point ever. I could hop into a Thorax, and fly into HED and attack battleships until I'm lucky enough to catch one with a crappy setup and kill it. I could then repeat this numerous times, losing several Thorax in the process. This doesn't mean the Thorax is on par with other cruisers. It means I'm using a Thorax over and over to attack larger ships. Just because you see a bunch of Thorax losses on a killboard doesn't mean it sucks, it means that because its overpowered and thus so popular, its being overused. Killboards have no place in this arguement. Also, god, if you'd read any of my bazillion other threads, you'd know that a Thorax, approaching with a MWD and a 1600mm plate, can take thousands of points of damage on the approach, but once it's in under the enemy's guns and letting loose with its 253 DPS, it doesn't matter much. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:41:00 - [416] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Also, god, if you'd read any of my bazillion other threads, you'd know that a Thorax, approaching with a MWD and a 1600mm plate, can take thousands of points of damage on the approach, but once it's in under the enemy's guns and letting loose with its 253 DPS, it doesn't matter much. Which is why the plate issue for all ships needs to be addressed, not the drones issue for the thorax. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:41:00 - [417] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Also, god, if you'd read any of my bazillion other threads, you'd know that a Thorax, approaching with a MWD and a 1600mm plate, can take thousands of points of damage on the approach, but once it's in under the enemy's guns and letting loose with its 253 DPS, it doesn't matter much. Which is why the plate issue for all ships needs to be addressed, not the drones issue for the thorax.
Fidelis Deus	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:42:00 - [418] Edited by: Fidelis Deus on 25/08/2005 04:44:59 Agreed completely, the Thorax is fine. Plates are the problem here. By the time the Thorax manages to close to optimal range with its blasters and drones, it needs the heavy damage output to destroy whatever it's attacking.
Fidelis Deus	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:42:00 - [419] Edited by: Fidelis Deus on 25/08/2005 04:44:59 Agreed completely, the Thorax is fine. Plates are the problem here. By the time the Thorax manages to close to optimal range with its blasters and drones, it needs the heavy damage output to destroy whatever it's attacking.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:48:00 - [420] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 04:50:51 The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. The PROBLEM is that the Thorax wins 170 fittings-free DPS. It has more drone bay than its carrier variant (Vexor), more or less making it worthless (8 heavy drones > 15 medium DPS wise, not to mention it takes some skill to get 15 mediums). What the Thorax needs. Its drone bay swapped with the Brutix... this makes the Brutix more of a drone BC (and means that its fittings problems aren't so bad as it can get more firepower and still be tankable). The Thorax then needs a small speed or agility increase and it's balanced. The Maller has a bit of Plate Syndrome itself but if the fittings get fixed it'll be on par with the new Thorax and other cruisers. NOTE: It will still be able to do around 170 DPS with Light Neutrons fitted. Thats about twice what most other cruisers do in DPS, not something you should be complaining about. AND PEOPLE STOP SAYING "Don't nerf the 'Rax, buff all other cruisers" BECAUSE IT WONT HAPPEN. Thats a major game mechanic overhaul. If you know anything about game design you'll know its NOT feasible, when a few tweaks can be made to bring everything in line. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula

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