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ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:48:00 - [421] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 04:50:51 The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. The PROBLEM is that the Thorax wins 170 fittings-free DPS. It has more drone bay than its carrier variant (Vexor), more or less making it worthless (8 heavy drones > 15 medium DPS wise, not to mention it takes some skill to get 15 mediums). What the Thorax needs. Its drone bay swapped with the Brutix... this makes the Brutix more of a drone BC (and means that its fittings problems aren't so bad as it can get more firepower and still be tankable). The Thorax then needs a small speed or agility increase and it's balanced. The Maller has a bit of Plate Syndrome itself but if the fittings get fixed it'll be on par with the new Thorax and other cruisers. NOTE: It will still be able to do around 170 DPS with Light Neutrons fitted. Thats about twice what most other cruisers do in DPS, not something you should be complaining about. AND PEOPLE STOP SAYING "Don't nerf the 'Rax, buff all other cruisers" BECAUSE IT WONT HAPPEN. Thats a major game mechanic overhaul. If you know anything about game design you'll know its NOT feasible, when a few tweaks can be made to bring everything in line. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:49:00 - [422] tbh, Rax can kill any BS(exept raven) and prorepy tanked APOC, unless the BS have fitting specialy vs smaller targets or its blasterthron or AC tempest
W0lverine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:49:00 - [423] tbh, Rax can kill any BS(exept raven) and prorepy tanked APOC, unless the BS have fitting specialy vs smaller targets or its blasterthron or AC tempest
Ymra	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:51:00 - [424] Edited by: Ymra on 25/08/2005 04:51:19 Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:11:48 Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 Yes. And look at the battleship kits on the solo battleship kills. A mining 'thron. An mwd scorpion with mid-slots wasted on too many non-ecm items. A typhoon with cruiser class weapons. And a thorax loss an average of every 4 days. I believe I had mentioned "high risk, high return" somewhere. try loot under "all kills" and its not even all as half of the BS kills got NPC.... but it not the point, the point is that RAx is way, way 2 good
Ymra	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:51:00 - [425] Edited by: Ymra on 25/08/2005 04:51:19 Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:11:48 Originally by: DrunkenOne badboy 4tw. http://h4xx.eve-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1495 Yes. And look at the battleship kits on the solo battleship kills. A mining 'thron. An mwd scorpion with mid-slots wasted on too many non-ecm items. A typhoon with cruiser class weapons. And a thorax loss an average of every 4 days. I believe I had mentioned "high risk, high return" somewhere. try loot under "all kills" and its not even all as half of the BS kills got NPC.... but it not the point, the point is that RAx is way, way 2 good
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:52:00 - [426] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:52:48 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. No, it wasn't. I used to get made fun of for flying the thorax in combat. The thorax was a pvp joke...not because it wasn't good, of course, but because people didn't have the stones to ride out the damage and get in effective range. 1600 plate allowed them to do that with far less risk, so suddenly the thorax leaps forward as a great pvp ship. The damage potential was always there...but there was always huge risk involved with bringing that firepower to bear. 1600mm plate means you can more or less nullify that risk against other cruisers. Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The PROBLEM is that the Thorax wins 170 fittings-free DPS. It has more drone bay *than its carrier variant* (Vexor), more or less making it worthless (8 heavy drones > 15 medium DPS wise, not to mention it takes some skill to get 15 mediums). bangs head on desk, screaming Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:52:00 - [427] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:52:48 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. No, it wasn't. I used to get made fun of for flying the thorax in combat. The thorax was a pvp joke...not because it wasn't good, of course, but because people didn't have the stones to ride out the damage and get in effective range. 1600 plate allowed them to do that with far less risk, so suddenly the thorax leaps forward as a great pvp ship. The damage potential was always there...but there was always huge risk involved with bringing that firepower to bear. 1600mm plate means you can more or less nullify that risk against other cruisers. Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The PROBLEM is that the Thorax wins 170 fittings-free DPS. It has more drone bay *than its carrier variant* (Vexor), more or less making it worthless (8 heavy drones > 15 medium DPS wise, not to mention it takes some skill to get 15 mediums). bangs head on desk, screaming
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:55:00 - [428] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:52:48 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. No, it wasn't. I used to get made fun of for flying the thorax in combat. The thorax was a pvp joke...not because it wasn't good, of course, but because people didn't have the stones to ride out the damage and get in effective range. 1600 plate allowed them to do that with far less risk, so suddenly the thorax leaps forward as a great pvp ship. You're so full of it! -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 04:55:00 - [429] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 04:52:48 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK The Thorax was a problem before plates were ever an issue. The buff to them just exacerbated it. No, it wasn't. I used to get made fun of for flying the thorax in combat. The thorax was a pvp joke...not because it wasn't good, of course, but because people didn't have the stones to ride out the damage and get in effective range. 1600 plate allowed them to do that with far less risk, so suddenly the thorax leaps forward as a great pvp ship. You're so full of it! Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:00:00 - [430] Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming /me pets Garreck No matter how many times you point out things, their not going to listen.. electro is still crying about the missle changes and wants everyone else to suffer also he has freely admitted he hasn't done any pvp of TQ. And when you presnt him with any form of argument, he ignores it or picks out tiny bits to try and argue against. And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find.

Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:00:00 - [431] Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming /me pets Garreck No matter how many times you point out things, their not going to listen.. electro is still crying about the missle changes and wants everyone else to suffer also he has freely admitted he hasn't done any pvp of TQ. And when you presnt him with any form of argument, he ignores it or picks out tiny bits to try and argue against. And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:04:00 - [432] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 05:05:57 Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming /me pets Garreck No matter how many times you point out things, their not going to listen.. electro is still crying about the missle changes and wants everyone else to suffer also he has freely admitted he hasn't done any pvp of TQ. And when you presnt him with any form of argument, he ignores it or picks out tiny bits to try and argue against. And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. Ah yes. That solo kill mail for Zarquon Beeblebrox in my mailbox must be an apparition. All the other random group kill mails in my mailbox must be imaginary as well. And all the frigate fleets where I've been flying Covert Ops, must have been my imagination. Yeah, I know nothing of PVP. How about this. Come out to Impass and I'll happily fight you. And, you sir, are an idiot. Go read that thread where it was a vote on whether missile changes shafted the Caldari or not. I said NO. But the missile boats (such as the Cerberus, which puts out less DPS with Scourge than your Rax's DRONE BAY) do. Come back when you know what you're talking about instead of trolling. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:04:00 - [433] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 05:10:06 Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming /me pets Garreck No matter how many times you point out things, their not going to listen.. electro is still crying about the missle changes and wants everyone else to suffer also he has freely admitted he hasn't done any pvp of TQ. And when you presnt him with any form of argument, he ignores it or picks out tiny bits to try and argue against. And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. Ah yes. That solo kill mail for Zarquon Beeblebrox in my mailbox must be an apparition. (And the 101 mill bounty me and some of my buddies got when we podded her, yep, that must not be real either.) All the other random group kill mails in my mailbox must be imaginary as well. And all the frigate fleets where I've been flying Covert Ops, must have been my imagination. Yeah, I know nothing of PVP. How about this. Come out to Impass and I'll happily fight you. And, you sir, are an idiot. Go read that thread where it was a vote on whether missile changes shafted the Caldari or not. I said NO. But the missile boats (such as the Cerberus, which puts out less DPS with Scourge than your Rax's DRONE BAY) do. Come back when you know what you're talking about instead of trolling. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:08:00 - [434] Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. I'm pretty sure that I fly rax more then you do, so I know what I'm talking about
W0lverine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:08:00 - [435] Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Garreck bangs head on desk, screaming And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. I'm pretty sure that I fly rax more then you do, so I know what I'm talking about
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:11:00 - [436] I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:11:00 - [437] I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Narial Thrikill	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:14:00 - [438] cant you do close to the same thing (barring the drones that is) with a rupture. you can fit a 1600mm plate and use light autocannons. and since your weapons use 0 cap that leaves all your cap to your armor rep. or fit an 800mm plate and you can use dual 180mm autocannons and take advantage of the rof and dmg bonus of the rupture? AND still fit 2 assault launchers.
Narial Thrikill	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:14:00 - [439] cant you do close to the same thing (barring the drones that is) with a rupture. you can fit a 1600mm plate and use light autocannons. and since your weapons use 0 cap that leaves all your cap to your armor rep. or fit an 800mm plate and you can use dual 180mm autocannons and take advantage of the rof and dmg bonus of the rupture? AND still fit 2 assault launchers.
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:16:00 - [440] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. Is that why you told me I'm full of it? I've been flying a thorax more than any other ship for the past...oh, 20 months or so. I love cruisers, I buy into the "specialize" philosphy, and the thorax is the best gallente cruiser...so here I am. I'm presenting arguments based on a whole lot of combat experience in various setups and against various setups. I'm willing to concede that a 1600mm plate thorax is too powerful. What nobody else seems to be willing to concede that if you nerf the offensive firepower of a thorax rather than fixing the plate, you're only going to set up the NEXT overpowered 1600mm plate fitted cruiser. One thing I'll NEVER concede is that a non-plated thorax overpowers all other top-tier cruisers. More "sheer firepower?" Sure. But there is so much more to the combat equation. For instance, how damn close you have to be to use that firepower, and how much damage can be done to your mwd-ing fat ass in the mean time. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.

Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:16:00 - [441] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. Is that why you told me I'm full of it? I've been flying a thorax more than any other ship for the past...oh, 20 months or so. I love cruisers, I buy into the "specialize" philosphy, and the thorax is the best gallente cruiser...so here I am. I'm presenting arguments based on a whole lot of combat experience in various setups and against various setups. I'm willing to concede that a 1600mm plate thorax is too powerful. What nobody else seems to be willing to concede that if you nerf the offensive firepower of a thorax rather than fixing the plate, you're only going to set up the NEXT overpowered 1600mm plate fitted cruiser. One thing I'll NEVER concede is that a non-plated thorax overpowers all other top-tier cruisers. More "sheer firepower?" Sure. But there is so much more to the combat equation. For instance, how damn close you have to be to use that firepower, and how much damage can be done to your mwd-ing fat ass in the mean time.
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:18:00 - [442] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK BOO HOO... i will throw my toys around Yes we have all heard the little story of yours, funny how both sides don't match up.. but thats for a different forum. And i have put some valid point across in the past, but you always ignore little bits to argue against. As for an idiot, yep... but i can still beat a plate rax with its 8 heavies in a maller. You fail to understand the problem isn't the rax, its the plate.. another example is the plate claw.. An assault frig, is supposed to be the bane of the interceptor .. yet the plate claw, can beat most AF's have a watch of DrunkenOne's Jagerbomb videos.. now watch those, and understand.. that the plate is the problem.. not the rax.
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:18:00 - [443] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK BOO HOO... i will throw my toys around Yes we have all heard the little story of yours, funny how both sides don't match up.. but thats for a different forum. And i have put some valid point across in the past, but you always ignore little bits to argue against. As for an idiot, yep... but i can still beat a plate rax with its 8 heavies in a maller. You fail to understand the problem isn't the rax, its the plate.. another example is the plate claw.. An assault frig, is supposed to be the bane of the interceptor .. yet the plate claw, can beat most AF's have a watch of DrunkenOne's Jagerbomb videos.. now watch those, and understand.. that the plate is the problem.. not the rax.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:22:00 - [444] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 05:22:27 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. Is that why you told me I'm full of it? I've been flying a thorax more than any other ship for the past...oh, 20 months or so. I love cruisers, I buy into the "specialize" philosphy, and the thorax is the best gallente cruiser...so here I am. I'm presenting arguments based on a whole lot of combat experience in various setups and against various setups. I'm willing to concede that a 1600mm plate thorax is too powerful. What nobody else seems to be willing to concede that if you nerf the offensive firepower of a thorax rather than fixing the plate, you're only going to set up the NEXT overpowered 1600mm plate fitted cruiser. One thing I'll NEVER concede is that a non-plated thorax overpowers all other top-tier cruisers. More "sheer firepower?" Sure. But there is so much more to the combat equation. For instance, how damn close you have to be to use that firepower, and how much damage can be done to your mwd-ing fat ass in the mean time. I'm simply calling a bluff. I highly doubt you got laughed at for flying a Thorax prior to the Plate buff. It SOUNDS like you're saying that the plate brought it up to par with the other cruisers... a suggestion I find totally ridiculous. Rax has always been a big fish in the cruiser pond. Remember dual MWDs? -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:22:00 - [445] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 05:28:17 Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/08/2005 05:22:27 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I love it when people run out of reasoning and have nothing less to do but flame. Is that why you told me I'm full of it? I've been flying a thorax more than any other ship for the past...oh, 20 months or so. I love cruisers, I buy into the "specialize" philosphy, and the thorax is the best gallente cruiser...so here I am. I'm presenting arguments based on a whole lot of combat experience in various setups and against various setups. I'm willing to concede that a 1600mm plate thorax is too powerful. What nobody else seems to be willing to concede that if you nerf the offensive firepower of a thorax rather than fixing the plate, you're only going to set up the NEXT overpowered 1600mm plate fitted cruiser. One thing I'll NEVER concede is that a non-plated thorax overpowers all other top-tier cruisers. More "sheer firepower?" Sure. But there is so much more to the combat equation. For instance, how damn close you have to be to use that firepower, and how much damage can be done to your mwd-ing fat ass in the mean time. I'm simply calling a bluff. I highly doubt you got laughed at for flying a Thorax prior to the Plate buff. It SOUNDED like you're saying that the plate brought it up to par with the other cruisers... a suggestion I find totally ridiculous. In any case, Rax has always been a big fish in the cruiser pond. Remember dual MWDs? The problem is plates AND the drone bay. Even without a plate the drones just make the Rax sorta stupid. For one thing, they remove a lot of skill involved in flying the ship. Its not like it takes a lot of skill to have 8 heavy drones doing 170 DPS, and it sure as hell doesn't impact your ship setup. Removing 100 dronebay removes about 85 DPS from a ship that easily gets 260 with 8 heavies AND Light Neuts fitted. Upwards of 290 DPS is possible without a plate and Heavy Electrons. YES the Thorax is a close range ship, and it should win close range fights. The problem is giving it SO much DPS that it can easily tank an approach on another cruiser long enough to WTFPWN it once it gets under 10km. THAT is the problem. It SHOULDN'T be winning scenarios under 30km. The problem is that it's getting away with that by taking advantage of overpowered plates (fittingswise) and free DPS through its drone bay allowing it to do damage and tank at the same time, something which other cruisers aren't very capable of. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:24:00 - [446] Originally by: W0lverine I'm pretty sure that I fly rax more then you do, so I know what I'm talking about A year ago, i would have said i doub't it.. this day and age.. you might do.. being as i tend to fly 4 ships.. thats the enyo, ishtar deimos.. and my 125mm railgun II + 1600mm plate rax.. and i will freely admit, that the plate is what makes it overpowered.. but you remove the plate, and the rax becomes even easier to kill.
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:24:00 - [447] Originally by: W0lverine I'm pretty sure that I fly rax more then you do, so I know what I'm talking about A year ago, i would have said i doub't it.. this day and age.. you might do.. being as i tend to fly 4 ships.. thats the enyo, ishtar deimos.. and my 125mm railgun II + 1600mm plate rax.. and i will freely admit, that the plate is what makes it overpowered.. but you remove the plate, and the rax becomes even easier to kill.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:25:00 - [448] Originally by: Ravenge And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. lol? I just showed you that all he flies is raxes, and he solo kills BS in them, yet he is the one who started a thread saying nerf the thorax. Yeah, hes jumping on the bandwagon. Idiot alts.
DrunkenOne Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:25:00 - [449] Originally by: Ravenge And W0lverine is just jumping on any bandwagon he can find. lol? I just showed you that all he flies is raxes, and he solo kills BS in them, yet he is the one who started a thread saying nerf the thorax. Yeah, hes jumping on the bandwagon. Idiot alts. Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Garreck	Posted - 2005.08.25 05:27:00 - [450] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 05:29:48 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Remember dual MWDs? Yes. I remember chasing several Ushra'Khan ruptures. With drones that could never keep pace, and blasters that could never get into range. No, the thorax was not the king of the dual mwd rage. It does happen to be the king of the plate rage. The MWD silliness got fixed (along with oversized afterburners) so let's get the plate issue fixed as well. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.



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