EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3

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W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:33:00 - [1] as current size doesnt make sence and makes it way 2 powerfull thx
Stuart85	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:40:00 - [2] No, boost the Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar Tier 2 cruisers to the same level as the Rax.
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Stuart85 No, boost the Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar Tier 2 cruisers to the same level as the Rax. or that, but I dont think CCP have time/will to boost them, but then they can atleast nerf rax, just change 1 number , cant be that hard
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Dust Puppy on 22/08/2005 15:45:28 Nerf rax, then boost all Edit: And when I say nerf rax I mean nerf it's drone bay, boost all grid and cpu. Original Mr Floppyknickers sig
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:53:00 - [5] Nope. Please nerf Caracal. It can deal all types of damage at extreme ranges
Meridius	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:56:00 - [6] Nerf the dronebay and give it more pg/cpu whatever it needs to fit a decent rack of guns + mwd + light tank. Decent being ions. Then boost all the cruisers ________________________________________________________
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.08.22 15:59:00 - [7] Nerf moa.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Meridius Nerf the dronebay and give it more pg/cpu whatever it needs to fit a decent rack of guns + mwd + light tank. Decent being ions. Then boost all the cruisers You'd have to boost deimos too though as that can only just fit ions with MWD + rep. If the rax can do it too why fly a 100mil ship when a 7mil one can do the same thing minus a second damage bonus? My Latest Vid: Linky
Fuazzole	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:05:00 - [9] /cry
Fuazzole	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:06:00 - [10] Duramaler = uber rupture can be good caracal = top seller rax + smart bomb = cheeze

W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Fuazzole Duramaler = uber rupture can be good caracal = top seller rax + smart bomb = cheeze
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Meridius Nerf the dronebay and give it more pg/cpu whatever it needs to fit a decent rack of guns + mwd + light tank. Decent being ions. Then boost all the cruisers You'd have to boost deimos too though as that can only just fit ions with MWD + rep. If the rax can do it too why fly a 100mil ship when a 7mil one can do the same thing minus a second damage bonus? for same reason you fly all other HAC?
Theta9	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:11:00 - [13] WTF how many thorax nerf threads are we going to get THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SHIP MAYBE YOU ALL SHOULD LEARN HOW TO FIGHT IT!!! I fly thoraxes and i must say that most people i fight against with it are stupid like uber uber stupid. DONT FIGHT THE THORAX FIGHT ITS FREKIN DRONES. thorax is laughable without drones so dont give me this "its so uber we cant beat it!" In a duramaller i can beat a thorax easy because I always always always destroy drones first. Lets compare cruisers now Rupture 6HI 3MED 5 LOW this is close to a thorax however 6HI instead of 5 and has options for launchers thorax doesnt. its also considerably faster and has more base powergrid though less cpu. Maller 6HI 3MED 6LOW this has 2 more slots than a thorax though this is offset by no drone bay. it has considerably more armor than a thorax and 150 more base powergrid and the same cpu as the thorax. though it only has 5 turrets like the thorax but 0 ammo consumption good cap lots of armor high pg for guns and tank MOA 6HI 4MED 4LOW again has options for missles and has a drone bay if only slight 50 more base PG AND CPU though is a rail platform more than blaster. THORAX 5HI 3MED 5LOW 5turrets the ONLY thing special about this ship is its mwd bonus and its 200M3 drone bay. you wana drop its drone bay to 100m3? fine then give me an extra med and low slot then ill be just fine about it but ill also need another 100pg drones are DESTROYABLE wich means that if you blow one up you decrease the dps of the ship no other ship has that weakness and without drones it is again a laughable ship at least. I do agree that 1600mm plates are overpowered on cruiser ships but DO NOT TOUCH THE FREKIN THORAX!! you will find that if you make putting 1600mm plates on cruisers nearly imposible or so penalized it becomes impractical that the thorax will become more in line with other cruisers. the thorax has ALWAYS had this drone bay it is its signiture and if its been in the game for so long who are we to say take it away now. my proposition is to instead of plates giving a velocity penalty they instead give a mass penalty to plates such as 1600mm plate 10,000,000 mass (depending on type some heavier some lighter) 800MM plate 4,000,000 mass (again depending on type) 400mm plate 2,000,000 mass (same as above) 200MM plate 750,000 mass 100mm plate 250,000 mass 50mm plate 50,000 mass this makes fitting a 1600mm plate on a rax almost double its total mass screwing its agility badly as well as its speed boost from a MWD this probably wont stop thoraxes from puting them on but now you should be able to outrun a rax with just an AB. if you dont fit the 1600mm plate yourself. While a 800mm plate is feasable but still incurse penalties
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:16:00 - [14] IT took me half way through this thread to realise you were talking about the drone bay. _______ Save me Jebus! http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/dd.php
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:16:00 - [15] Theta9, get a clue
Theta9	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:25:00 - [16] lol i do have a clue i see a ship with fewer slots than every other tier 3 cruiser lower pg and cpu than most others and lower armor/shield hp than the other cruiser (though not quite by much)only slightly faster than MOA and MALLER dispite being a close range ship. again if you want to increase the thorax slot's and pg and cpu by all means go ahead means my deimos will be all that much more uber (i dream of 5 neutron II's without pdu's) cause there going to have to increase that ships stats to be in line with the thorax.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Meridius Nerf the dronebay and give it more pg/cpu whatever it needs to fit a decent rack of guns + mwd + light tank. Decent being ions. Then boost all the cruisers You'd have to boost deimos too though as that can only just fit ions with MWD + rep. If the rax can do it too why fly a 100mil ship when a 7mil one can do the same thing minus a second damage bonus? Ideally, i'd like the Deimos to be able to mount a rack of neutrons in a viable setup. If a weapon isn't used that means it's a product of bad game design. Practically speaking, i'm not so sure thats a good idea. The Deimos is a fine HAC and this would be a significant boost. I'm all for boosts but i think all the other HAC's (no not the Ishtar) would need some love toIt gets complicated ________________________________________________________
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:37:00 - [18] Rax indeed is overpowered, put it next to a Vigilant and laugh at all the people who paid money for one However, i do agree that all t1 cruisers should be like the rax in terms of overall strength. As it is the Thorax is placed quite high above the rest though ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Noriath	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:44:00 - [19] The Thorax already got nerfed badly with the changes to MWD that make it completly suicidal to use one in combat. Now one of its bonuses is completly useless because you can't use an MWD in combat anyways.
slothe	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:51:00 - [20] yawn

TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:52:00 - [21] Increase the Vexors Drone Bay to allow it to carry lots of heavy drones. And Leave the Thorax as it is.
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.08.22 16:54:00 - [22] I'm not training for an HAC, i'm training for a thorax. Battleship armor + battleship weapons + frig defense in a disposable cruiser made me win eve. \o/ Nobody fits smartbombs in empire, or please do so for the entertainement value. And shooting 8 heavy drones takes long enough not to be a realistic option, unless in a 1 vs 1 situation which is not even close to frequent. And save the: "gallente is the drone race, it should have more drones" or the "drones are a close range weapon, hence gallente should have more and bigger and nastier and...". 45km is hardly close range for cruisers, 8 heavy drones is a battle ship weapon. Yet they track like frig guns :/ Whining against the intention of ccp to adjust the drone bay to a balanced level saved the thorax once from being put in line to the other tier 3 cruisers, i believe it can save it once again, so keep up saying that the thorax is fine, pwetty pwease, and we shall win again. And yes, cruisers in general need a boost, but in the meanwhile can't we acknowledge the obvious about the drone bay ? Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
DARTHxFREE	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:13:00 - [23] if the rax is over powered,..why dont u train + buy + use one it dont take much. >:-E3
Noriath	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:17:00 - [24] How can you tell the difference between something that's really overpowered and random nerf whiners? If something is really overpowered everyone uses it and only a few people complain. If it's just nerf whiners only a few people use it, and everyone complains.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:20:00 - [25] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Increase the Vexors Drone Bay to allow it to carry lots of heavy drones. And Leave the Thorax as it is. Brilliant idea ________________________________________________________
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:22:00 - [26] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 22/08/2005 17:22:20 @darth: sound logic, everybody in the same boat 4tw. @noriath: 1. point at various killboards and laugh. 2. who said that a thorax isn't even overpowered without mwd ? Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Noriath	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:25:00 - [27] Thoraxes do most of their damage with drones, you can't just take them away and say it would balance the game, especially if one of the Thoraxes ship bonuses is completly useless.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Noriath Thoraxes do most of their damage with drones, you can't just take them away and say it would balance the game, especially if one of the Thoraxes ship bonuses is completly useless. Thorax does most of it's damage with drones, how can you not see that as being completely broken? It's a blaster boat ffs, it's suppose to be doing it's damage with blasters. Nerf the dronebay and increase pg/cpu to better accomodate blasters. If you disagree, you're wrong. ________________________________________________________
Jatonix	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:32:00 - [29] Tbh, now that missle have been nerfed i think that the drone by on a rax shud be nerfed also, its just stupid in some cases the damage that think can deal out and TANK is diabolical. Like this Sig..? Visit http://photobucket.com/albums/y247/Jatonix
Jatonix	Posted - 2005.08.22 17:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Rax indeed is overpowered, put it next to a Vigilant and laugh at all the people who paid money for one However, i do agree that all t1 cruisers should be like the rax in terms of overall strength. As it is the Thorax is placed quite high above the rest though TBVFH you havent even taken a look at the vigilants bonuss, it has a extra mid slot, its get 25% bonus to cap recharge, it has more armor, more shield more strcuture its tougher, it just done have asilly sized drone bay, i still a fitted viglant would tear apart a thorax Like this Sig..? Visit http://photobucket.com/albums/y247/Jatonix



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