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 Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance    |
Posted - 2005.08.25 05:27:00 -
[451] Edited by: Garreck on 25/08/2005 05:29:48
Yes. I remember chasing several Ushra'Khan ruptures. With drones that could never keep pace, and blasters that could never get into range. No, the thorax was not the king of the dual mwd rage. It does happen to be the king of the plate rage. The MWD silliness got fixed (along with oversized afterburners) so let's get the plate issue fixed as well. |
 ELECTR0FREAK |
Posted - 2005.08.25 05:31:00 -
[452] True that the Rupture benefitted most from Dual MWDs, but the Thorax vs any other ship was ridiculous. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
 ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God |
Posted - 2005.08.25 05:31:00 -
[453] True that the Rupture benefitted most from Dual MWDs, but the Thorax vs any other ship was ridiculous. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
 BlackDog Rackh'am |
Posted - 2005.08.25 05:57:00 -
[454] Anyone who flies minnie ships knows a close range rupture's lower armor will make it suffer more,plates or not.Not to mention the cap deficiencies of minnie ships,which compensates for the lack of cap use on guns.Autocannons do actually have some cap use because of the rapid rate of fire.But that is not the point,just a clarification. I'll draw the picture again: All t1 cruisers except rax: Option 1)Either fit med guns for long range,minimal or no tank and shoot from long range where you can't tackle,or go medium short range guns,grit your teeth and mwd to the target.You die easily but at least you do decent damage if you get close. Option 2)Fit small guns and a nice tank.Small guns means you still have to approach,even if it's the long range variant of small guns,and do it at speeds lower than a frig,with a big sig radius as you MWD to your target.You get hit hard,but you can tank it better,however your damage against larger targets suffers. Thorax with small guns,plate and heavy drones:You still suffer from damage on your way in,just like everyone else does.You can tank as well as,if not better than,everyone else bar the maller.You can hit small targets with your small guns.Everything ok thus far.You don't suffer from the lack of damage against bigger targets,while everyone else does,since you have 8 heavy drones.Not good. No argument about expensive ships who "must" own the cheap ones all the time here,just comparing tech1 cruisers all the way. The thorax doesn't add variety to the game,as it is now it is THE cookie cutter setup,a no-brainer.People who fly other races' ships can choose to be on he side of variety and fit for different things,or fit a specific anti-thorax setup and be useless in most of the other situations.With the amount of thoraxes around,if all the cruiser pilots don't start flying one themselves,they will fit specifically to counter it.So we have 1 setup for the thorax to take on small and big ships at the same time,and 1 setup for each other cruiser to counter the rax.I fail to see any variety here. It's not a nerf,it's a balanncing act imo,especially if the fitting problems on all cruisers are taken care of. Otherwise,we could boost the other cruisers the following way.Since drones are a gallnete specialisation,dont't give drone space to the rest of them.Just make it so small projectiles do more damage to reach the DPS of a thorax.Lower the cap use and increase damage on small lasers to do the same.Boost damage of missiles and rails for caldari.Of course,if small guns get this uber,med ones must be even better,boost them too.All the med guns,bar the gallente ones though,or the rax will own again(whines coming again) This way,we can balance the cruisers without hurting the drone bay of "the precious".We also make all frigates overpowered against cruisers (which results in more whining)and,in gangs,against BS's(and the whining rises exponentially).Cruisers with med guns against BS's are also a very big threat now. We also cancel the missile balancing that was done and totally break it,since torps and cruise will still not be that hot against small ships,but light and heavy missiles get a boost so caldari can deal with the rax,a boost that makes them even more dangerous for BS's.And also make it necessary for the bigger ships to get a boost as well,or they won't stand a chance in hell against 4-5 frigates/cruisers with med guns,since the small guns/missiles that we boosted to help balance the cruisers can still be fitted on frigs which a BS can't dream of hitting unless at extreme long range.This brings about better tracking and damage for the large guns (through the expected amount of whine,although a rightful one),which in the end results in BS's getting some decent protection against frigs.And totally bbq the slower cruisers again,plated or not,negating the agility boost that was implemented and rendering them useless once more.But you get to keep your drone bay  |
 BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed |
Posted - 2005.08.25 05:57:00 -
[455] Anyone who flies minnie ships knows a close range rupture's lower armor will make it suffer more,plates or not.Not to mention the cap deficiencies of minnie ships,which compensates for the lack of cap use on guns.Autocannons do actually have some cap use because of the rapid rate of fire.But that is not the point,just a clarification. I'll draw the picture again: All t1 cruisers except rax: Option 1)Either fit med guns for long range,minimal or no tank and shoot from long range where you can't tackle,or go medium short range guns,grit your teeth and mwd to the target.You die easily but at least you do decent damage if you get close. Option 2)Fit small guns and a nice tank.Small guns means you still have to approach,even if it's the long range variant of small guns,and do it at speeds lower than a frig,with a big sig radius as you MWD to your target.You get hit hard,but you can tank it better,however your damage against larger targets suffers. Thorax with small guns,plate and heavy drones:You still suffer from damage on your way in,just like everyone else does.You can tank as well as,if not better than,everyone else bar the maller.You can hit small targets with your small guns.Everything ok thus far.You don't suffer from the lack of damage against bigger targets,while everyone else does,since you have 8 heavy drones.Not good. No argument about expensive ships who "must" own the cheap ones all the time here,just comparing tech1 cruisers all the way. The thorax doesn't add variety to the game,as it is now it is THE cookie cutter setup,a no-brainer.People who fly other races' ships can choose to be on he side of variety and fit for different things,or fit a specific anti-thorax setup and be useless in most of the other situations.With the amount of thoraxes around,if all the cruiser pilots don't start flying one themselves,they will fit specifically to counter it.So we have 1 setup for the thorax to take on small and big ships at the same time,and 1 setup for each other cruiser to counter the rax.I fail to see any variety here. It's not a nerf,it's a balanncing act imo,especially if the fitting problems on all cruisers are taken care of. Otherwise,we could boost the other cruisers the following way.Since drones are a gallnete specialisation,dont't give drone space to the rest of them.Just make it so small projectiles do more damage to reach the DPS of a thorax.Lower the cap use and increase damage on small lasers to do the same.Boost damage of missiles and rails for caldari.Of course,if small guns get this uber,med ones must be even better,boost them too.All the med guns,bar the gallente ones though,or the rax will own again(whines coming again) This way,we can balance the cruisers without hurting the drone bay of "the precious".We also make all frigates overpowered against cruisers (which results in more whining)and,in gangs,against BS's(and the whining rises exponentially).Cruisers with med guns against BS's are also a very big threat now. We also cancel the missile balancing that was done and totally break it,since torps and cruise will still not be that hot against small ships,but light and heavy missiles get a boost so caldari can deal with the rax,a boost that makes them even more dangerous for BS's.And also make it necessary for the bigger ships to get a boost as well,or they won't stand a chance in hell against 4-5 frigates/cruisers with med guns,since the small guns/missiles that we boosted to help balance the cruisers can still be fitted on frigs which a BS can't dream of hitting unless at extreme long range.This brings about better tracking and damage for the large guns (through the expected amount of whine,although a rightful one),which in the end results in BS's getting some decent protection against frigs.And totally bbq the slower cruisers again,plated or not,negating the agility boost that was implemented and rendering them useless once more.But you get to keep your drone bay |
 Garreck |
Posted - 2005.08.25 06:34:00 -
[456]
You more or less made my case here. Fix the 1600mm plate. Then the thorax loses its durability. The thorax benefits most from the 1600mm plate...but it also has the most to lose. I beseech all of you: test shooting at a non-plated, mwding thorax. Seriously. Everybody is hung up on the 1600mm plate durability issue here...nobody seems to appreciate just how fragile a non-plated mwd-ing thorax is. You'll understand why no real thorax pilot wants their drones taken away: the damage output is NEEDED. That is the nature of a thorax. Plate needs looked into. Drones do not. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan. |
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2005.08.25 06:34:00 -
[457]
You more or less made my case here. Fix the 1600mm plate. Then the thorax loses its durability. The thorax benefits most from the 1600mm plate...but it also has the most to lose. I beseech all of you: test shooting at a non-plated, mwding thorax. Seriously. Everybody is hung up on the 1600mm plate durability issue here...nobody seems to appreciate just how fragile a non-plated mwd-ing thorax is. You'll understand why no real thorax pilot wants their drones taken away: the damage output is NEEDED. That is the nature of a thorax. Plate needs looked into. Drones do not. |
 Ravenge |
Posted - 2005.08.25 06:42:00 -
[458]
This is the key point thats been brought up, time and time again.. but its ignored, as people are too blinkered by the large drone bay. Plates and to some degree sheild extenders have to be fixed.. Once this is done, many ships that seem overpowered, will be sorted out. |
 Ravenge |
Posted - 2005.08.25 06:42:00 -
[459]
This is the key point thats been brought up, time and time again.. but its ignored, as people are too blinkered by the large drone bay. Plates and to some degree sheild extenders have to be fixed.. Once this is done, many ships that seem overpowered, will be sorted out. |
BlackDog Rackh'am |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:06:00 -
[460] Don't go around evading the point please.I didn't say not to fix the plate.Even with a smaller plate the thorax will still be king of cruisers.To reiterate: One way to balance it is to boost small guns so all plated cruisers with frig sized guns can match the rax,which leads to the the circle of events i posted above,in which i forgot to mention that raven will be useless unless they boost torps and cruise again(makes sense if the rest of the BS weapons get boosted,right?),so there goes the missile balance again...moving in circles is bad for the game. Otherwise we have to give the ability to all cruisers to field a decent number of heavy drones,no less than 5-6.This will lead to nobody in BS ever engaging in short range again-->more sniping-->more blobbing--->more ganking--->less tactics and diversity. Even with 800mm plates the thorax will still be overpowered.You'll die faster,so will every other cruiser.You'll still be able to outdamage every other cruiser AND have a decent defence against small ships at the same time,with ONE setup.Again,less decisions,less diversity. The pulse range adjustments were needed.I can't snipe with autocannons,gallente can't snipe with blasters,why did amarr do so with pulses?The missile changes were necessary,although they may still require some tweaking.The drone bay size adjustment and maybe even the oversized plates are the next thing on the line.If CCP is half-caring about balance in this game,they WILL downgrade it,and nothing i or anyone else says will change it.I just hope they finally go ahead and do it,along with giving the rax some extra grid for decent medium guns,even if small tech2 blasters can wreck for more than some medium tech2 autocannons. After all,the projectile tracking got adjusted at some point(so low in fact that they had to boost it again recently,and this boost only applies to autocannons),missiles and pulses got their share as well,so it's the turn of the gallente pilots to adapt to a new environment.I have outlined a couple of solutions to balance the situation while keeping the drone bay intact.I have also given various possible implications of this that might have a much more adverse effect on the game,thus breaking more than actually fixing.Just because 1 of the 4 races likes a ship so much doesn't mean that the rest of us have to actually like it too,especially when our ships have already been changed to further a better balance.Face it people,it's rax's turn. |
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:06:00 -
[461] Don't go around evading the point please.I didn't say not to fix the plate.Even with a smaller plate the thorax will still be king of cruisers.To reiterate: One way to balance it is to boost small guns so all plated cruisers with frig sized guns can match the rax,which leads to the the circle of events i posted above,in which i forgot to mention that raven will be useless unless they boost torps and cruise again(makes sense if the rest of the BS weapons get boosted,right?),so there goes the missile balance again...moving in circles is bad for the game. Otherwise we have to give the ability to all cruisers to field a decent number of heavy drones,no less than 5-6.This will lead to nobody in BS ever engaging in short range again-->more sniping-->more blobbing--->more ganking--->less tactics and diversity. Even with 800mm plates the thorax will still be overpowered.You'll die faster,so will every other cruiser.You'll still be able to outdamage every other cruiser AND have a decent defence against small ships at the same time,with ONE setup.Again,less decisions,less diversity. The pulse range adjustments were needed.I can't snipe with autocannons,gallente can't snipe with blasters,why did amarr do so with pulses?The missile changes were necessary,although they may still require some tweaking.The drone bay size adjustment and maybe even the oversized plates are the next thing on the line.If CCP is half-caring about balance in this game,they WILL downgrade it,and nothing i or anyone else says will change it.I just hope they finally go ahead and do it,along with giving the rax some extra grid for decent medium guns,even if small tech2 blasters can wreck for more than some medium tech2 autocannons. After all,the projectile tracking got adjusted at some point(so low in fact that they had to boost it again recently,and this boost only applies to autocannons),missiles and pulses got their share as well,so it's the turn of the gallente pilots to adapt to a new environment.I have outlined a couple of solutions to balance the situation while keeping the drone bay intact.I have also given various possible implications of this that might have a much more adverse effect on the game,thus breaking more than actually fixing.Just because 1 of the 4 races likes a ship so much doesn't mean that the rest of us have to actually like it too,especially when our ships have already been changed to further a better balance.Face it people,it's rax's turn. |
Narial Thrikill |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:18:00 -
[462] Edited by: Narial Thrikill on 25/08/2005 07:24:11
what? armor: rupture 1050, thorax 1050 cap: rupture 1000, thorax 1100 autocannon cap (small and medium): 0 hi slots: rupture 6, thorax 5 med slots: rupture 3, thorax 3 low slots: rupture 5, thorax 5 grid: rupture 725, thorax 700 cpu: rupture 275, thorax 300 |
 Narial Thrikill |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:18:00 -
[463] Edited by: Narial Thrikill on 25/08/2005 07:36:15 Edited by: Narial Thrikill on 25/08/2005 07:24:11
what? armor: rupture 1050, thorax 1050 cap: rupture 1000, thorax 1100 autocannon cap (small and medium): 0 hi slots: rupture 6, thorax 5 med slots: rupture 3, thorax 3 low slots: rupture 5, thorax 5 grid: rupture 725, thorax 700 cpu: rupture 275, thorax 300 a rupture with not many skills can easily fix an 800mm plate, 3 passive hardeners, med rep, 4 dual 180mm ac's (medium guns), webber, t2 ab, cap recharger, 2 assault missile launchers. i havent done it yet myself, but i may try it. |
 BlackDog Rackh'am |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:30:00 -
[464]
Hmm,you do have a point about the armor,my mistake there,although different resists and ammo types also play a big part that goes on to confuse things even more. But when i talk cap i mostly talk about recharge rates and the rax's MWD bonus,since i was discussing a close range scenario.Cap on autocannonons is not 0 though,when firing 5x220mm II's on the vagabond with a couple of gyro II's i get a constant 5-10% cap drain,due to the high rof(even if autos have almost no cap reqs). Anyway,i should have made it clearer,but i'm too short of sleep atm  However,i still stand for what i said earlier about the whole drone bay issue.I guess we'll all just have to agree that we disagree,move on and wait for the devs to read this thread and decide for themselves. |
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed |
Posted - 2005.08.25 07:30:00 -
[465]
Hmm,you do have a point about the armor,my mistake there,although different resists and ammo types also play a big part that goes on to confuse things even more. But when i talk cap i mostly talk about recharge rates and the rax's MWD bonus,since i was discussing a close range scenario.Cap on autocannonons is not 0 though,when firing 5x220mm II's on the vagabond with a couple of gyro II's i get a constant 5-10% cap drain,due to the high rof(even if autos have almost no cap reqs). Anyway,i should have made it clearer,but i'm too short of sleep atm However,i still stand for what i said earlier about the whole drone bay issue.I guess we'll all just have to agree that we disagree,move on and wait for the devs to read this thread and decide for themselves. |
 Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.08.25 10:03:00 -
[466]
The 'freak for president \o/ Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read. |
 Naughty Boy Chronics of ordinary hate |
Posted - 2005.08.25 10:03:00 -
[467]
The 'freak for president \o/ Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. In Rust We Trust |
 Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.08.25 10:04:00 -
[468]That is exactly my feeling when you don't ever bother replying to the post i made especially to prove you wrong. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read. |
Naughty Boy Chronics of ordinary hate |
Posted - 2005.08.25 10:04:00 -
[469]That is exactly my feeling when you don't ever bother replying to the post i made especially to prove you wrong. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. In Rust We Trust |
CrowBar1 |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:18:00 -
[470] how about you people that want every thing nerfed nerf your self and stfu for a change all i read on these forums is nerf this nerf that. ok if ccp nerfs every thing then you know what soon we wont be able to even to kill a simple jettison can so quit yer *****in and live with it. i dont like the rax my self but that dont mean it needs to be nerfed. a bunch of cry babies got missiles nerfed now ravens are worthless people want the mega nerfed cause it deals alot of damage at a mind numbing 3.5km what next the ibis? cause its civilian gattling gun deals a whole 1hp of damage? what it all boils down to is some one got there ass handed to them cause they were in the wrong ship at the wrong time to bad for them noobs. |
 CrowBar1 |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:18:00 -
[471] how about you people that want every thing nerfed nerf your self and stfu for a change all i read on these forums is nerf this nerf that. ok if ccp nerfs every thing then you know what soon we wont be able to even to kill a simple jettison can so quit yer *****in and live with it. i dont like the rax my self but that dont mean it needs to be nerfed. a bunch of cry babies got missiles nerfed now ravens are worthless people want the mega nerfed cause it deals alot of damage at a mind numbing 3.5km what next the ibis? cause its civilian gattling gun deals a whole 1hp of damage? what it all boils down to is some one got there ass handed to them cause they were in the wrong ship at the wrong time to bad for them noobs. |
 Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:27:00 -
[472]
Arguing about a nerf is fine by CCP. If you believe the thorax should not be nerfed, defeat the arguments. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read. |
Naughty Boy Chronics of ordinary hate |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:27:00 -
[473] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/08/2005 11:33:13
Arguing about a nerf is fine by CCP. If you believe the thorax should not be nerfed, defeat the arguments given and not those that you invented.
So what, there are nerfs that don't suit you and other that do. Guess what, even if it was a valid argument (which it is not) it could be used by everyone else. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. In Rust We Trust |
 Kye Kenshin |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:49:00 -
[474] Jesus Christ Naughty boy! Why the hell are you so passionate about this? Its really starting to scare me. Did a gang of Thorax's beat you up and steal your lunch money as child? But im sure your just quote this thread with some long winded counter arguement. Anyway i really dont care what happens to the rax now. Nerf it all you want i moved up into T2 and BS and i dont understand why all these older players care about what happens to a friggin cruiser anyway. By the way rax having 8 drones doesn't make it capable of killing BS its the 1600mm plate that does. |
 Kye Kenshin Sanctum's Edge |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:49:00 -
[475] Jesus Christ Naughty boy! Why the hell are you so passionate about this? Its really starting to scare me. Did a gang of Thorax's beat you up and steal your lunch money as child? But im sure your just quote this thread with some long winded counter arguement. Anyway i really dont care what happens to the rax now. Nerf it all you want i moved up into T2 and BS and i dont understand why all these older players care about what happens to a friggin cruiser anyway. By the way rax having 8 drones doesn't make it capable of killing BS its the 1600mm plate that does. |
CrowBar1 |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:56:00 -
[476] heh find one post by me where i want something nerfed. now lets get back on topic people want the rax nerfed because of its drones? well dont stop there nerf the domi too its got a good size drone bay and can use 425's omg its uber nerf it now lol. lets not stop there either lets nerf the scorpion's med slots cause it's one of the best EW ships out there omg i got pwned by a scorp because it webified me warp scrambled me and target jamed me then molested me with torps. ok now if every one could run the same setup on every ship then no one would be able to kill any one then what would be the point of pvp? it should all be left up to the skills if a pilot with 15mil sp kills a pilot with 3mil sp then the pilot with 3mil sp wants that ship nerfed cause he got his ass kicked. i bet that every one of these nerf this post are made by miner's wanting to be fighters and when they loose they come crying here to have somthing nerfed down to the point to where a fighter pilot cant win any battle.what gets me is that this is suppose to be a game where your suppose to have fun but all i can see is people crying about this and that.if i dont like a game i dont play it if i dont like whats on tv i turn the channel simple as that. |
CrowBar1 |
Posted - 2005.08.25 11:56:00 -
[477] heh find one post by me where i want something nerfed. now lets get back on topic people want the rax nerfed because of its drones? well dont stop there nerf the domi too its got a good size drone bay and can use 425's omg its uber nerf it now lol. lets not stop there either lets nerf the scorpion's med slots cause it's one of the best EW ships out there omg i got pwned by a scorp because it webified me warp scrambled me and target jamed me then molested me with torps. ok now if every one could run the same setup on every ship then no one would be able to kill any one then what would be the point of pvp? it should all be left up to the skills if a pilot with 15mil sp kills a pilot with 3mil sp then the pilot with 3mil sp wants that ship nerfed cause he got his ass kicked. i bet that every one of these nerf this post are made by miner's wanting to be fighters and when they loose they come crying here to have somthing nerfed down to the point to where a fighter pilot cant win any battle.what gets me is that this is suppose to be a game where your suppose to have fun but all i can see is people crying about this and that.if i dont like a game i dont play it if i dont like whats on tv i turn the channel simple as that. |
 Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.08.25 12:03:00 -
[478] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/08/2005 12:06:51 I agree with that. But I fail to see how this is supporting your point. See below.
I do not agree. The thorax is not the only close range cruiser, yet it is the only one that get so much rewarded in extra damage (your own argument). This is by such a margin (see numbers) that it totally defeats the point of fitting any other cruiser for close range, except for sentimental reasons. This is true with the plate, or without the plate. Now, there's the other issue with long range cruisers (aka, the other cruisers, see above). You tell that as the thorax does what it should to close the distance to a long range cruiser, it need the firepower (of guns + drones) when it get there. I do not see how exactly it need 8 heavy drones, because 10 mediums drones are not enough. I would like you to show me how exactly you draw the line, because frankly this is the exact part of you argument that is going too far. And i quote you: It is not my fault that the thorax is best not used as a blaster boat. The drone bay is the reason why it is not best used as a blaster boat. Who need blasters on the thorax when there is such a drone bay ? I am afraid that your are strugling against your own point here. Finally, there's another issue with the idea of giving other close range cruisers more damage (or all other cruisers more damage). I know that i already wrote this, but as it seems it doesn't look to be clear. You are not going to increase the survivability of cruisers by increasing their damage. This is "gank area" syndrome but it is not a reason in itself. Cruisers are not used because their are not dealing enough damage, they are not used because they are not survivable enough (hence the plate setups with even LESS damage). I believe that i challenged your affirmation well enough. Feel free to correct me. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read. |
Naughty Boy Chronics of ordinary hate |
Posted - 2005.08.25 12:03:00 -
[479] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/08/2005 12:06:51 I agree with that. But I fail to see how this is supporting your point. See below.
I do not agree. The thorax is not the only close range cruiser, yet it is the only one that get so much rewarded in extra damage (your own argument). This is by such a margin (see numbers) that it totally defeats the point of fitting any other cruiser for close range, except for sentimental reasons. This is true with the plate, or without the plate. Now, there's the other issue with long range cruisers (aka, the other cruisers, see above). You tell that as the thorax does what it should to close the distance to a long range cruiser, it need the firepower (of guns + drones) when it get there. I do not see how exactly it need 8 heavy drones, because 10 mediums drones are not enough. I would like you to show me how exactly you draw the line, because frankly this is the exact part of you argument that is going too far. And i quote you: It is not my fault that the thorax is best not used as a blaster boat. The drone bay is the reason why it is not best used as a blaster boat. Who need blasters on the thorax when there is such a drone bay ? I am afraid that your are strugling against your own point here. Finally, there's another issue with the idea of giving other close range cruisers more damage (or all other cruisers more damage). I know that i already wrote this, but as it seems it doesn't look to be clear. You are not going to increase the survivability of cruisers by increasing their damage. This is "gank area" syndrome but it is not a reason in itself. Cruisers are not used because their are not dealing enough damage, they are not used because they are not survivable enough (hence the plate setups with even LESS damage). I believe that i challenged your affirmation well enough. Feel free to correct me. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. In Rust We Trust |
 Naughty Boy |
Posted - 2005.08.25 12:06:00 -
[480]No. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- I have the scientific evidence that some people can write but cannot read. |
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