Junior FC for Spectre fleet here. NPSI fleets have a lot of newbros participating and they have to rely on the fc to keep them safe in some situations. Lets say im engaging a fleet and something else lands on the grid that i cant fight i have to quickly extract and get my fleet members to relative safety. After this update i will have to tell them to keep bouncing celestials until i land on my safespot and then order them o regroup on me. Newbros will get picked off on the sun. Jayne plz reconsider this you know how hard it is to manage a fleet full of newbros.

It's already in. It's called 'aligning.' If I'm FC-ing a small gang I fleet warp fast. If I'm FC-ing a large/ heavier doctrine I have to wait longer for the lemmings to align.

Ugh... the thing that bothers me the most about this is that it very much feels like an afterthought type change and we're going to have a bunch of people - including CCP - making judgments about the effect that haven't FC-ed a damn thing.

Our frigate pilots just got an important fleet role handed to them.

Hi Internet Space Friends,

Ok, I've caught up on this thread! So many words...Thank you for your passionate responses. We have a bunch of points to work though, expect a post soon addressing them!

You're NOT scouting, that's the point. You're LITERALLY a beacon to no split the unit. Fun it aint.

warp gates..... do you eve?

Prescan the site. Adapt.

The only way you catch anyone is if they stay right at the beacon after they warp in, assuming they are in the first pocket. You really want to squeeze the poor fresh eve players that much? cant give them a 20 second headstart?

Thats scouting. Providing warps on the enemy, getting snipe points, burning a safe all of it is scouting and yes it is fun. Every fleet used to have dedicated scouts that did these things.

Terrible gameplay is having one person flying 250 semi afk ships. A scout frigate is fun to fly.

No warpgates in wormholes , targets will be long gone before any fleet and/or tackle lands on a siterunner.
Or the cloaky scan alt near it.
Because they will see the probes... .
Bascily you are diminishing the possibility of conflict by a factor of 10-100.

To some degree, you're right. But it is different in that it would take a fixed amount of time until a fleet could enter warp in a synchronized fashion regardless of them already being aligned or not.

It's not a scout. It's a mobile bookmark. Scout is someone who gathers and relays intel to an FC. A mobile bookmark is someone browsing 4chan /e/ and alt-tabbing into the game every 15 seconds or so to make sure he's still burning into the void in the right direction.

I know, that was why I said I now HAVE to use a preliminary player to do the massively tactical manoeuvre of warping to a corp BM and waiting.

What on earth is the point in that? It's an useless pain in the ass.

It adds NOTHING but pointless delays and the need for another alt.

Presumably before corp bookmarks were a thing.

Again you're missing the point. It's NOT a combat thing, it's not a "burn me a rolling safe" thing.

It's a "I can't keep a fleet in one unit to move to a corp bookmark". No, now I now need to replace that bookmark with a Red Shirt.

The amount of tears in this thread is nearing Jump Range changes, guess its a change in the right direction.

For WH stuff or sites, you simply scan down the sites with an alt, Like you would currently, then if its dangerous, you just put that alt in its pod, warp the site (sleepers etc. dont aggro the pod anyway) and you just warp yourself to that char.

Warp to the site runner, no probes needed.

And how is that bad?

More content for more players in a fleet and a very important role for low SP players.

Yes, making a safe on the fly is exactly what a scout does.

We already use probes to get warp in on these fleets, there is zero difference between what we have now and the future in terms of fleets running when they see probes

You must be trolling. I refuse to believe you are so ignorant.

So you want to take away responsibilities of the FLEET COMMANDER to give more to members.....FLEET COMMANDER to me implies he leads the fleet. FFS

WTF are you doing CCP? All these stupid changes you have been making are really pissing people off. Where are the damn fixes we've been asking about for years? Corp management, thousand cuts, all that? Last time you stopped listening to your customers, you had to issue a public apology to keep the game alive. Don't think you can just do that every couple years, go off on a tangent for a year, apologize, slowly stop listening, another tangent a year later, apologize, etc. Stupid, absolutely stupid.

Back on the issue at hand, so the fleet commander can't warp the fleet he commands to their POS? Are you kidding me?

WAKE UP CCP! You guys are making some really stupid decisions lately.

Yeah but that is only valid in k-space, in w-space probes in space mean targets gone within 1 minute.