Can you tell me what problem it solves?

Warp to the site runner, no probes needed.

Yeah, this is the alternative. Care to suggest any fits for probing bonused ships that would survive even 20 seconds of drone DPS? You need an expanded launcher.

Nope. It's something a scout may begrudgingly have to do because there's nobody else to do that, but tries to avoid doing as much as possible. It's like saying that flying droneboats is fun, and then state that scoopdeploying is exactly what a droneboat pilot does.

You do know that you can not warp to someone not in fleet? What are you sudgesting ? Making the target part of the fleet?

It helps to remove the fact that these days one player is effectively flying 251 semi afk ships.

Yeah, this is the alternative. Care to suggest any fits for probing bonused ships that would survive even 20 seconds of drone DPS? You need an expanded launcher.

Can you find me a way to manually coordinate fleet warp speeds today without a fleet warp?

Didn't think so.

recons, t3 (c|d), stratios, astero, covertops properly flown.

pick your poison.

Junior FC for Spectre fleet here. NPSI fleets have a lot of newbros participating and they have to rely on the fc to keep them safe in some situations. Lets say im engaging a fleet and something else lands on the grid that i cant fight i have to quickly extract and get my fleet members to relative safety. After this update i will have to tell them to keep bouncing celestials until i land on my safespot and then order them o regroup on me. Newbros will get picked off on the sun. Jayne plz reconsider this you know how hard it is to manage a fleet full of newbros.

recons, t3 (c|d), stratios, astero, covertops properly flown.

pick your poison.

So the guy in the wormhole warps to the bookmark and WWWWWW's up. Then everyone gets fleet warped OMG THE TRAVESTY THAT THOSE EXTRA FEW SECONDS WILL CREATE. THINK OF ALL THE BELLY LENT YOU COULD HAVE PICKED IN THOSE FEW PRECIOUS SECONDS. DAMN YOU CCP DAMN YOU!!!!!!!111ON1E

Expanded launcher?

So run sites in defensive fleets. If you are trying to catch them then there is no difference at all in terms of people running the second they see probes.

Astero can't fit expanded, covops will die immediately to drones, recons and Stratios are slow warp speed cruisers. So T3 bonused for warp speed. Seriously - replace covops with T3 is the suggestion. Not convinced for small gang.

I understand the problem of lack of involvement for large fleet warfare. But this is not a problem for small fleets. Fix the problem with the large fleets and leave the small ones alone.

Warping the fleet to a player warps you at the slowest ships speed still.

Warping the fleet to a player warps you at the slowest ships speed still.

recons, t3 (c|d), stratios, astero, covertops properly flown.

pick your poison.

So basicly you hate hunting for targets and want it completely eliminated?
The thrill of the hunt is what makes w-space so much fun, this change just eliminates that and makes it a pve paradise.
Also you seem to hate pvp'ers and want only pve fleets then?
Baiting only works for the first 10 engagements then you will get a name and no more baiting.
Now we can slingshot a sabre with warp rigs(absolutly needed) and still get the targets only 1/10 of the time.
After this change catching target will be impossible.

It fixes nothing in w-space it only decreases content, makes things more safe and tedious.
For w-space this a a step back to before there were corp bookmarks.

Lets see in w-space :
recons and t3's will die or catch 1 or 2 dudes(max because most will have warped to safety already) instead of an entire fleet
stratios, astero, covert ops will die before reinforcements arrive(if they even catch one before the targets warped to safety).

Which suddenly makes all those 250 semiafk dudes instantly awake and paying attention?

Probing out the site is enough. no need for the combat probes.

Which has nothing to do with "semi-afk" today, or tomorrow.

The change does NOTHING mechanically for the players in the main body of the fleet. They're not now forced to "manually" warp because that wouldn't help. They STILL need a fleet warp. You know "that semi-afk" thing that was you said was the problem, hasn't gone anywhere with this change.

You're smart enough to know this, I'm done debating it with the devils advocate.

Again, people running the second they see probes has nothing to do with this change.