We covered this red herring already here and here.

All you did earlier on is show you have no idea how our fleets work.

All you did earlier on is show you have no idea how our fleets work.

All these bads.... I mean casuals come crawling out of the wood work to run their mouths about things they don't have a very good understanding of.

All these bads.... I mean casuals come crawling out of the wood work to run their mouths about things they don't have a very good understanding of.

It makes you wonder what their rage is going to be like when the logi nerf lands.

LOGI NERF WTF!

Here's the article.

No, its a bad article as it makes wrong assumptions, does not understand what is being targeted and fails to see just how easily this can be adapted to.

A good idea for changing gameplay/game design would allow us to apply multiple solutions aa a new way to play the game. This change does not provide that. It provides only 1 viable solution, having a ship at the warp target if it's not a celestial or similar.

I have yet to see you spout another solution to this conundrum.

Heres a solution: gain situational awareness and be able to warp yourself where you need to be instead of relying on an fc to fly your ship for you.

I have yet to see you spout another solution to this conundrum.

What makes you think there should be a way around this? The whole point is to make you use dedicated probers.

I'll leave it to general populace to judge the absurdity of your claim of a 250 man fleet as being a one-man show.

So me and a bunch of friends found a possible solution to keeping the main design goal of getting people involved with fleets and a sense of personal agency, while maintaining our current level of fleet ability, AND adding in new ability in the form of sudo fleet formations.

Current fleet warp functions are split into 2 parts.

1
Fleet warps as we know them now become emergency fleet warps. They can only warp to a few permanent objects such as the sun, planets, stations, and gates. This is the "No time to explain we are leaving" option for the fc and keeps that functionality alive while limiting it and allowing game play to form in the chase.

2
The new fleet warp mechanic is a fleet warp broadcast. This broadcast works on anything the current (pre aegis) fleetwarp can. Upon activation, everyone gets a visible broadcast saying the fc is starting a fleet warp. From there each pilot mush click on it and accept the warp at a range they choose. After some number of seconds (ten seems reasonable) the fleetwarp is initiated for everyone who signed on. After that, any fleet member may still warp to the broadcast in the fleet history.


In this way, current functionality is preserved and the design goals are meet, while also adding new functionality. Programing my be required, o dear.

If you agree please quote as these forums seem to bury things really quickly.

... Edit to add: As for the specific claim about 'a 250 man fleet being a one-man show'... it's usually more like a four-man show. Maybe up to 9 if you want to include the WC's turning their boosts on and off.

So, some of our top pilots just get lucky all the time?
No.
You have always had the option to follow the FC blindly or think for yourself within the context of the battle. That won't change.
What will changes is more ships dying for a short time.
Then people will become more risk adverse and put out scouts even further. If they aren't entirely sure they can beat the others they will turn tail and run. If they are sure, then the other side will run.

This is a very short sighted mechanics change.

Actually, he's right. The current line of FC fittings for our fleets all include the ability to probe.

What's more, most of our FCs are using multiple accounts during every engagement, running their brick-tanked FC ship (which may or may not be a booster) as well as a probing covops. Why? Well, it's really quite simple:

90% of humanity is a bunch of mouth-breathing morons who'd have a hard time finding their heads with both hands if they weren't attached.

This is also why for large organizations, fittings are standardized - we simply don't trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to have the first clue how to fit a ship.

We also tend not to trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to not be shooting his own fleet members during a fight - and experience has proven us right on this one at least once pretty much every fight.

So if you expect the FCs to not be control-freaks who feel like this change means they have to do everything themselves on even more simultaneous logins... you're either incredibly naive, or smoking crack.

And if you think this is unfairly critical of people in general, I encourage you to talk with people who run large organizations outside of EVE. This is not a condition that exists only for explodable internet space pixels. The more points of failure you introduce, the more places failure will occur.

Always.

Edit to add: As for the specific claim about 'a 250 man fleet being a one-man show'... it's usually more like a four-man show. Maybe up to 9 if you want to include the WC's turning their boosts on and off.

They already put scouts far away and run even if 1 neutral pops in local. Your point is null. The only way to get fights is to deceive bads into thinking they can win.

This change is good it kills the blob and forces people to learn to play the game

I really do want to know how this nerfs bombers. People keep saying it does, and I keep thinking about in, but I just can't figure it out.

It doesn't do anything for bombers. Really. Bomb runs use a once off "bookmark" for a perch, so most of the time you don't bother with the bookmark. Just warp to fleet member.