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Alexandra Shurk
The Tree Licker Research and Industry Company
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:10:00 -
[661]
surely by this logic, training when you're offline should be cancelled, and your game credit should only be used up when you're online?
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Lucia Warbler
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:10:00 -
[662]
Edited by: Lucia Warbler on 13/10/2008 20:11:39
Originally by: alexandru celmare What is the name of the competitor game?
Um... Jumpgate Evolution ? It's not finished yet, mind you. I'd give them more time to smooth the edges.
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Miriyaka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:11:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Flinchey this can be explained by some form of space/time dilation my friend we're already up to 26, you just dont realize it
Actually, it can. It's called 'the deleted post effect'. Half the times I've hit reply on a post, it started replying to a later post because they all shifted up. Heh. Nice try at damage control CCP, but unless you're willing to scrap this thread entirely and risk enraging thousands of already-on-edge subscribers even further, there's no way you can keep up with this thread.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: WrathofAchilles I'm quitting if you implement this. Shiesty. Deceitful. Plenty of honest games out there with good customer service. You know... the ones that actually give a damn if a customer leaves.
which one would that be?
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Nina Korgan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:11:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Carsidava
Originally by: Mora Makur First, let's lets clarify:
Inactive / expired accounts = unpaid accounts If you paying and not logged in, your skills continue to train.
Ghost training, that is training a skill while not paying for the account, is at best an exploit. We were getting something for free, and now we are not. Why should you continue to accumulate skill when you are not paying for it? I'm actually angry that this exists. I am quite appreciative that they retain expired account data for as long as they do to begin with.
Those skills that take really long to get are meant to be very hard to obtain, which will require commitment and investment at the expense of other skill areas. That means you are actually going to have make the hard choice between specialist and generalist. A game with hard choices; now that's refreshing!
Then your market orders and research points should stop as well. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing.
If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs.
Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped.
QFT
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Shigsy
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:11:00 -
[666]
Is it me or are Death Knights extremely op? AND YOU START AT 55. Pretty lame imo.
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Mora Makur
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola I'm SIGNING here with THREE ACCOUNTS...
DON'T FRIGGIN TELL ME THAT BECAUSE I TRIED TO BYPASS THE STUPID TIMESINK CALLED SKILL TRAINING BY PAYING FOR 3 ACCOUNTS THAT I SHOULD AT LEAST NOT GET ANY BENEFIT FROM IT!
I'm paying 300% over and get screwed hard after okt. 15th? Count me out!
Congratulations... I was paying for three accounts... when my sub ends in november I may not renew it at all... not even one of them!
If you are willing to actually pay for three acounts, then you should be fine. Its the people who are not paying for three accounts and still getting skill that are the problem. |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
[668]
740 replies and CCP has still not made an official response to our complaints.
Nice to know we're loved.
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Seeker Ash
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Seeker Ash on 13/10/2008 20:12:26 Wow, 25 pages of complants. Here's one more. You'll probably still get my money, though you're losing my respect for every minute that I don't see you admitting the only reason for this change is to get more money.
You used to be cool, CCP. You had a hard ****ing game where people had to work for every bullet we wanted to shoot and you didn't seem to care how many people liked it, just how much we liked it. Which is a fine and honorable way to do great work. But you've turned from artists to businessmen, and as it turns out very bad businessman, unless this change is followed by the much-wished-for-but-previously-unthinkable skill queue. _________________ "Even space ships pilots get the blues." |
alexandru celmare
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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No really what is the name of the competitor game?
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Shigsy
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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Also, HAUNT IS ****ING EPIC. Im going to respec on wednesday when the new skills come out. ALSO FEAR SLOWS YOU DOWN ASWELL. OMG <3 warlock.
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Jalis Mournveil
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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I just went and bought Warhammer cause of this. you guys should try it.
Thanks ccp.
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Piper Halliwell
Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:12:00 -
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Piper Halliwell fetches a pail of water for all you that have sand in your "sensitive" area's that needs flushing.
While I don't know why the change all the sudden, but I do understand why CCP is doing it M-O-N-E-Y! There is a reason that they are making shit loads of it and you are still living in your mothers basement. --------------------
You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
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Myk Taison
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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"capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters"
hahahaha
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KremlinRed
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
[675]
Originally by: NupetietVer Great, skill training is tied to my money. Money is tied to my life.
My life is NOT tied to this videogame.
Agreed, bad move CCP.
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Konrad Wachsmann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Miriyaka
Originally by: Flinchey this can be explained by some form of space/time dilation my friend we're already up to 26, you just dont realize it
Actually, it can. It's called 'the deleted post effect'. Half the times I've hit reply on a post, it started replying to a later post because they all shifted up. Heh. Nice try at damage control CCP, but unless you're willing to scrap this thread entirely and risk enraging thousands of already-on-edge subscribers even further, there's no way you can keep up with this thread.
Just wait, they will
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Flinchey
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Miriyaka
Originally by: Flinchey this can be explained by some form of space/time dilation my friend we're already up to 26, you just dont realize it
Actually, it can. It's called 'the deleted post effect'. Half the times I've hit reply on a post, it started replying to a later post because they all shifted up. Heh. Nice try at damage control CCP, but unless you're willing to scrap this thread entirely and risk enraging thousands of already-on-edge subscribers even further, there's no way you can keep up with this thread.
excellent *taps fingers* my mindless babble didn't manage to make everyone think i was insane
i can't wait til it overtakes the speed nerf thread in post count. lol i give it... about 2 days. 3 at most if it cools down a tad. knowing that if this isn't resolved. the rate of posting will certainly maintain, for the most part at least..
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
We understand that this is a hot topic amongst players, and request that you discuss this necessary change without breaking the forum rules.
FANTASTIC!
I have played - and payed - constantly for 3 years now! I dont see why someone who leaves eve, set three months skill, leave, and return are to earn skillpoints during their leave! It is unfair against those who PLAY!
Great move CCP!!!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
[679]
A friend of mine used to be really active in the game, until he hit RL problems. He currently runs "ghost training" for his five or six accounts, resubbing them every now and then, to keep skill training up. This means that when he comes back, his accounts haven't fallen behind on the skill training compared to other characters the same age.
It also means that he can come back to something new. Perhaps he's finished training Dread 5, Jump Drive Calibration 5. Or, one of his alts will have become a perfect command ship pilot.
He's currently paying for three accounts on average (6 accounts at 50%), which is THREE TIMES MORE than most people pay for their MAIN game (How many WoW players have more than one account, for instance?). This is what he pays to be INACTIVE in the game. This also gives him an incentive to return (Hey, I can now fly a Black Ops!) to full paying status later on.
CCP, stop screwing your player base and give us incentives instead. Power of Two is a good thing, but it doesn't apply to those of us who already have multiple accounts. Give us multi account discounts, the ability to group accounts to a single "maintainer" account on the webpage, or other benefits instead of taking away from us.
Realise that your most loyal customers are those that HAVE multiple accounts, that take advantage of this ghost training. Realise that you're sitting on a gold mine here - how many games REALLY have a feature that encourages people to multi-account in this way? Screw the playerbase that benefits from this, and you'll end up hurting your own bottom line.
This is said from someone who can afford to run ten accounts and does so, because I make a lot of money from making sure that my most loyal customers STAY loyal to me. Consider that for a moment.
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Seth Ruin 740 replies and CCP has still not made an official response to our complaints.
Nice to know we're loved.
they dont know what to say cause th suck at making decisions that are good
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Sophronia Abiodun
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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A really nice decision you've made... and right after giving us cheap Power of Two accounts, too. Real smooth.
I actually went for that crap, so now I have five months of BORING to endure. I bought a second account because my main was training Minmatar Cruiser V while inactive. I *was* planning on resubscribing the account this Wednesday but now that won't be happening.
The main selling point of this game for me was the fact that I could take a month's break and do other stuff while still advancing, then come back with renewed interest and new things to discover along with new skills.
Thanks for further ruining the game I thought I could like. I tried, I really did. But it's just not that good, no matter how I view it.
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Fulber
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Wynteryth Fett
Originally by: Fulber
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett
Originally by: Sarl Massai Christ's sake, Ghost Training IS NOT FREE.
How is it not free? If the account is inactive for 2 months and you log in after the 3rd month because the training is done, you've had 3 months of no paying on the account. So, you had to pay $15 to reactivate the account. In the mean time, you've gotten xxxx number of skill points for $15 that cost me $60.
Sure looks to me like you got 3 months of training for free.
"Cheaper" does not equal "free". If your reality does not agree, I have a bridge for sale.
1 month paid. 3 months free. vs. 4 months paid.
You're almost there, you're so close! Now, let's break that down... oh wait we can't because you can only get that free time by paying for the not-free time. So, it's not free, merely cheaper. Got it? You're so dumb. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
[683]
Who ya gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS !
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:13:00 -
[684]
I just wonder where the experienced adult management is over there, because CCP's actions pretty much forever stink of spoiled late-20s manchildren not putting any real thought into their work.
Where's the leadership??
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Piper Halliwell Piper Halliwell fetches a pail of water for all you that have sand in your "sensitive" area's that needs flushing.
While I don't know why the change all the sudden, but I do understand why CCP is doing it M-O-N-E-Y! There is a reason that they are making shit loads of it and you are still living in your mothers basement.
it is a pretty cool setup because it's all forex and they can buy their rapidly falling local currency with it Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
Noig Lamaroz
Darwin's Contraptions
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Aeronith Edit for constructive content: Perhaps instead of having everyone complain about the change, why doesn't everyone just post the number accounts they'll be letting lapse without renewing thanks to this change.
I've already got one I've written off.
I was going to take a little break from Eve and let my main character do some 'holiday marauder V' training.. Guess not I'm not doing it then.. And since I need to keep that account active with the horrendous ISK prices ETC's are these days, I'm seriously thinking of dropping my account amount to half of the current amount :-(
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Miriyaka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Miriyaka on 13/10/2008 20:14:16
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett
Originally by: Fulber
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett
Originally by: Sarl Massai Christ's sake, Ghost Training IS NOT FREE.
How is it not free? If the account is inactive for 2 months and you log in after the 3rd month because the training is done, you've had 3 months of no paying on the account. So, you had to pay $15 to reactivate the account. In the mean time, you've gotten xxxx number of skill points for $15 that cost me $60.
Sure looks to me like you got 3 months of training for free.
"Cheaper" does not equal "free". If your reality does not agree, I have a bridge for sale.
1 month paid. 3 months free. vs. 4 months paid.
what the shit are you training, son? titan V? nobody unsubs for three months training, hell most people don't unsub for more than a week or two. it's a courtesy and a convenience for the vast majority of the people who take advantage of it, however it also has a secondary effect of allowing people to farm up purpose-built alts more affordably. do those alts hurt CCP's bottom line? no, they help it by requiring more active accounts to sustain. there are so many reasons this change is dumb I can't settle on just one.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
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It's about time. Maybe this will slow down the proliferation of armies of fairly obviously shared accounts with cap ship alts on them.
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Flinchey
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Konrad Wachsmann
Originally by: Miriyaka
Originally by: Flinchey this can be explained by some form of space/time dilation my friend we're already up to 26, you just dont realize it
Actually, it can. It's called 'the deleted post effect'. Half the times I've hit reply on a post, it started replying to a later post because they all shifted up. Heh. Nice try at damage control CCP, but unless you're willing to scrap this thread entirely and risk enraging thousands of already-on-edge subscribers even further, there's no way you can keep up with this thread.
Just wait, they will
and i can't wait for the banhammer or at least mutehammer.
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NupetietVer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 20:14:00 -
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If i'm paying to skill train, then I want my hard earned money to count a 60 GTC as 60 days of playing the game. And since I couldn't play during Down Time, I want my 300 hours of Downtime credited into my account.
Curses you CCP.
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