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Reangorette Bianie	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:13:00 - [1141] I didn't read all these pages, but I now see how everyone in 0.0 space gets to fly those super ships with kick --- skills. Start training for the skill @ lvl. 4,5 one day before your account expires then re-sub 2 months later. Sweet. Wonder how this will effect those 0.0 battles. Maybe we'll see some tactics now.
Aganola Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:13:00 - [1142] Originally by: Sanadis Originally by: Praesus Lecti I quite doubt that the number of people who are declaring that they are canceling additional accounts will actually do so. But I really hope they do...I prayto every conceivable diety that the accounts are indeed canceled and remain gone forever. I'd love to see the herd thin out a bit. CCP will not go bankrupt over this decision. Their balance sheet will barely register a blip with this change. Cry all you emo tears you can muster, this is a good change to EVE. Agreed. To me, all these people threatening to cancel their accounts are just making an excuse not to play the game. If you are going to stop playing Eve, this most definitely is not a good reason for it. P.S. If anyone quits, can I have your stuff? no u can't we will all sell our sh*t on ebay to make some hard cash profit out of this mess... If CCP does it why shouldn't we do the same? If you think this was unbalanced how come we could not hear you whine all the time? Yeah AFK has so many advantages ... like not being able to log on... like not being able to ret or to run missions... and oh... not being able to pvp... yeah afk has soooo many advantages... /sarcasm off ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
Cribba Sebiestor	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:13:00 - [1143] I have 2 account both subscribed and i haven't ever ghosted my account or even considered ghosting, if i want a break then I'll stop for a day or two but wouldn't dream of unsubscribing. The Skill Queue is a good idea but that not gonna chang the skill for me cos no way you will implement that ever. I play this gme cos i enjoy playing it, the guys who farm character's have never bothered me and never will, infact i enjoy hearing of the epic failures on occasion but you should have just grown a pair and said you are doing it because of the Global Financial Crisis...who has ever expended time and energy on a skill train other than running up the stairs when you here it say "Skill training completed", you are treatng us like tard's which we are clearly not, everyone who plays this game (with the exception of macros who don't "play the game") wouldn't have batted an eyelid so you just conjoured up a shit storm for no apparent reason other than not thinking things through. Shame on You CCP
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:14:00 - [1144] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Claudia Voltaire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker So yes, it IS a good move! Its called fairness to those of us who pay 15 dollar a month! Tbh i know a few people who just purchased wads of timecodes, sold them for isk and bought in game characters the equal of my own. How fair is that!!! You always have the subscription way! Which is the most common way of paying for a subscription! Either by visa or buying the GTC from a shop! Me? Sorry for not being more clear, iv'e actualy not missed a single payment with the visa card for over 5 years and 4 months. I was pointing out there are those that havn't played or payed over that time that join the game, taking over characters that were either farmed or sold on from retiring players. As pointed out, all that takes is purchasing timecodes from an electronic retailer, then passing them on for ingame currency. Stoped caring about it long ago though tbh, but when you see people such as yourself talking about whats fair/unfair on the players and you have to earn and play for such a privilege of high skill pointed characters, well i could ignore (as i normaly do) or i can point out the obvious again, not that it makes a blind bit of difference
Nina Korgan	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:14:00 - [1145] Originally by: Luxenvario You know, the first thing my buddy said when he got back from basic training was "Hey BS V just finished.." - I had changed it for him right before his account ran out. Next thing I saw was a credit card. Quoted for fscking truth.
Darth Felin	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:16:00 - [1146] Well maybe I am one of the few who think that this change is needed for a long time. Still it does not mean that we need skill queue even more than before.
Aganola Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:17:00 - [1147] Originally by: Nina Korgan Originally by: Luxenvario You know, the first thing my buddy said when he got back from basic training was "Hey BS V just finished.." - I had changed it for him right before his account ran out. Next thing I saw was a credit card. Quoted for fscking truth. seconded ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:18:00 - [1148] A skill queue doesn't do anything to fix this. Anybody who says "oh hey this is okay as long as we can get a skill queue" is delusional. "Oh hey it's okay that you kicked me in the nuts because you gave me a hat."
chotaire Caldari The Rising Stars Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:18:00 - [1149] I've got to add, I also like this idea of changing something that was in effect for 5 years, meaning that all future players will not have the same advantage that we've all had for so long. This time, it's not an advantage of some single individuals (like tech2 BPOs), it's an advantage of all players older than 2008.10.15 - great! How do you intend to balance that?
Velda Chulai	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:18:00 - [1150] Originally by: Rotnac Originally by: Jocque I probibly missed something, but why is this bad? I pay for my account month to month payments and ill leave it training for 2 months sometimes while I pay the monthly fee and don't log in. Are people buying GTCs in game and then training accounts on that GTC and hence CCP never getting any money? Someone explain this to me. People pay (in some fashion) for a few months and train skills, and then let the account lapse while a level 5 skill trains. When it finishes, they pay for it again. So, say each year they pay for 8 months out of 12, while training all the while. Those 8 months earn CCP money no matter what. If they paid with isk, then someone else paid CCP real money for the card. CCP shouldn't care if you pay with dollars/whatever or isk - CCP ultimately gets real money either way. Since people will simply not have alts now, CCP loses those 8 months of subscription fees, a loss of revenue from before, hence making this change quite ******ed. Just to extend the point, a credit card holder actually saves a lot of money - My six month subscription works out to US$11.95/month! A 60 day tome code is US$34.99 or so. In other words, a time code user is paying $17.50/month, give or take, or more than I pay. If they already pay bi-monthly, leaving 2-4 months out of the year, time code users, who pay more, are going to be hit hardest regardless.
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:18:00 - [1151] Originally by: DigitalCommunist http://epicwords.net/images/ninjas.jpg Nerf ghost training!
Lockefox Caldari Darkmatter Conglomerate Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:18:00 - [1152] Though I am the last to ever wave a "I'll quit" flag, this has me scared. There have been some very valid (and I believe scary) posts in the previous pages about quitting. The thing I see is when people quit EVE, it will be for good. Also, this will continue to disparage between the top and bottom of players rather than even it out. The argument in question is of course Battleship 5. Who in their right mind wants to wait around for the 30 days if they are just trying to get that skill done? I personally have used things like vacations and busy school times to cancel my sub and grind through these skills. I fear two things from this announcement. 1) Those who cancel their subs will not be returning 2) The gap between the haves and the have-nots will just grow larger. I pray that this feature will not be turned off for the health of the game in the long term, and that the short term gains of subscription dollars. ~Lockefox PS: Coming into peak gaming season, don't you guys want to bolster your numbers? It seems like shooting yourself in the foot to pull this going into Christmas season.
Borini	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:19:00 - [1153] tbh i don't to much with the change but make it so that the first two days after payments stop you continue the skilling. It is kind of hard on people that for some reason like banks making screwups etc you stop the skilling. Normaly problems like that are solved in a few days. And i don't think you should punish players for other peoples screw ups. All in all bad publicity for CCP
Akima Jarka Caldari Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:21:00 - [1154] While I have been reading these forum's for years now I very rarely post (less than 10 total i think). But this I just cannot sit by and say nothing. Ghost training is something that I've always thought as a feature of Eve. When talking to people about Eve and trying to get them to try it out I would tell them about the skill system and how you could progress at a good rate even if you can't find much time to play. I would then tell them that if you need to take a break from the game, that as skill set will continue to train. The friends that I have gotten in to Eve all find this a useful feature. An example is a friend who is in the National Guard when he has to go for his 'one month of the year' training. Another example is myself where during the last month of classes i turn my account off so that I can focus on finishing up projects and study for finals. This keeps the temptation to play Eve during that month down. So, yes Ghost Training is not perfect. But Even isn't a perfect game. And by taking it out I believe it will be doing more harm than good. For the most part I always understand and even support the decisions and nerfs that CCP makes, but this one I do not. my $.02 --- "It does the sheep no good to preach the goodness of a diet of grass, if the wolves are of a different mind." - Nathan Rahl
Nevada Tan	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:21:00 - [1155] Hey guys I went and checked - Jumpgate Evolution is launching in Q1 next year. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing.
Hun Jakuza Naughty By Nature	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:22:00 - [1156] Oh no, this is the player fault said, the Sensei. :) No this is the CCP fault too. Why sold for the european subscribers 15 euro (20,5$) the game ? CCP idea was the another prices. The players should be fixing CCP bad choice and buy GTC for $ ?
Maconha	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:22:00 - [1157] Edited by: Maconha on 13/10/2008 22:23:19 go go CCP i support you ending the gost training is an great idea next i would end with the 60 day ETC and put 364 day ETC at 500$ and subscription at 50$ a month go go completly agree with all /sarcasm off really hopping to see what came next... don¦t remember ever to see 3 posts in one thread every minute...
Damoxenos	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:22:00 - [1158] OK i can see both sides to this, first yeah it will be bad for CCP's wallet, who is to say they dont know that? Gmaeplay balance issue is real but not as direct as you may think, it will reduce the number accounts an individual will have, which is right, and make the individaul charcter better as was meant to be, rather than people multitasking with multiple accounts, this should make it more likey that people join corps and people can and will specialize in things that most now use 'alts' for.. Also if the game balance is total BS, and it is just a money grab, it is a shame that CCP felt it had to do this to loyal players, many if the truth was told would be more willing to accept this change, after all CCP is a business, maybe they just need the short term gain in $$$ But I can see the bad point, people with multiple characters whether 'ghost training' or not still add to CCP's wallet as these accounts are not pernamently active.. What would be better imo is somesort of limit on how long or often you can 'ghost train' in a calendar year, this would work for both the above... Also chinese isk farmers use the 'ghost training' feature, its part of the problem with the farmers, act it out and they should be reduced, but hurting the core players is a bad move.... Also it is imperative that CCP adds something that shows just how long you have till your sub ends, and email in last 7-14 days, or even just something on the client itself, many do not use this site until sub time comes... Seriously CCP, whatever your reasoning this is bad....
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:22:00 - [1159] Could've changed it to a url instead of deleting my post, mods >_< GHOST TRAINING
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:22:00 - [1160] From my viewpoint this means same players but less accounts.So, what's the point? making playerbase less happy? ________________________________________
Calishere Caldari The Space BorderLine	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:23:00 - [1161] Originally by: Nina Korgan Originally by: Luxenvario You know, the first thing my buddy said when he got back from basic training was "Hey BS V just finished.." - I had changed it for him right before his account ran out. Next thing I saw was a credit card. Quoted for fscking truth. thats me in a few days actually ... this comes at a fvked up time lol, woot 2 months of no skills training woot ?
Titus Vulso Amarr Minbari Research Institute	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:23:00 - [1162] Stick to your guns CCP, don't be pressured by the whiners. Needs to be applied to research points also btw.
Adaera	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:24:00 - [1163] Originally by: Aganola Originally by: Nina Korgan Originally by: Luxenvario You know, the first thing my buddy said when he got back from basic training was "Hey BS V just finished.." - I had changed it for him right before his account ran out. Next thing I saw was a credit card. Quoted for fscking truth. seconded Thirded. Appalling change, and has really soiled my opinion of CCP. Resubbing to WoW for a bit is quite tempting right now. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Annaphera Minmatar Super Green Industries	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:24:00 - [1164] Originally by: xOmGx lets explain it to some clever pp's who don't understand if i want to play game and get exp wen i'm online i play Lineage 2/WoW/GuildWars(very good game actualy) In eve if you short on time you can set up loong skill (Fighters lvl 5/ Carrier lvl 5) and just leave it.. coz if i come back i still have same SP as frien of me gaming 23/7 THis hasn't changed a bit. They just want you to pay while you let the skills gain and don't log in. Otherwise, let the account lapse and come back to exactly what you left, just like any other game.
Velda Chulai	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:24:00 - [1165] Originally by: Lockefox Though I am the last to ever wave a "I'll quit" flag, this has me scared. There have been some very valid (and I believe scary) posts in the previous pages about quitting. The thing I see is when people quit EVE, it will be for good. Also, this will continue to disparage between the top and bottom of players rather than even it out. The argument in question is of course Battleship 5. Who in their right mind wants to wait around for the 30 days if they are just trying to get that skill done? I personally have used things like vacations and busy school times to cancel my sub and grind through these skills. I fear two things from this announcement. 1) Those who cancel their subs will not be returning 2) The gap between the haves and the have-nots will just grow larger. I pray that this feature will not be turned off for the health of the game in the long term, and that the short term gains of subscription dollars. ~Lockefox PS: Coming into peak gaming season, don't you guys want to bolster your numbers? It seems like shooting yourself in the foot to pull this going into Christmas season. I'm of teh same mindset as you. I'm not certain I'd actually quit, but this has me seriously considering it. But that aside, I can't feel good about suggesting Eve Online to any friends at this rate regardless, and so I won't. The SP system in place woulden't permit me to. They'd be better to switch to the Experience Point system. At least that would fix the disparity of Supercap pilots (who can't rat in guaranteed safety) and the general population, which giving people a reason to play in groups.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:24:00 - [1166] Originally by: Jimer Lins Yes, how dare CCP insist that you pay the fee if you want to gain the benefits of something in the game? Money-grubbing bastards, they shouldn't close loopholes that let people gain months' worth of training for a fraction of the cost of the time required. It's totally unethical for them to expect to be paid for using their game. Actually, I'm hoping this change cuts through the fields of disposable alts on secondary accounts like a scythe through summer wheat. And here is what I like about this plan. There are too many people running 5-8 accounts using this dark training and RP to get an edge over those of us that pay for 3 accounts full time. I take breaks from Eve but that doesn't stop me from canceling my CC now does it? Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu
Iog Krugar The Rising Stars Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:24:00 - [1167] Originally by: chotaire Fictionary Dev Blog Post from ccp whoever: Dear players, due to recent financing issues related to national problems we had to decide to disable ghost training for a limited amount of time. Due to our local banks unable to give us the necessary loans to expand our network and hire more programmers to implement the features you people desire, we saw no other chance doing so. But please be asured this is only a temporary change, as we will rethink our priority list and reward everyone of you with a great new feature in return to be implemented before christmas: Skill queueing goes in effect with the next major patch in the second week of December, at the same time ghost training will be back available to everyone. However skill queueing will only work if you have an active subscription. We sincelery hope you understand this decision as we are forced to refinance immediate investments necessary to implement new features that CSM has requested to see available soon, as much as improving our network, hardware and database concept to cope with lag on fleet battles. Furthermore, we will bring back 30 day time codes sometime next year. We hope this is a good compromise for all of us and we are looking forward to your feedback to discuss this matter before it goes into effect sometime soon. Best Regards CCP whoever CCP, if you did like that, I would say thumbs up. But most likely my reply is: -4 accounts. Epic fail! Originally by: Ri**ulo I am a bit impartial here as i don't really do ghost training. I like playing too much to take a break. That said, i suppose no one told CCP that training queues would be something the player base would like, but nothing really that important. After all, its been years without it anyway. Training queue and ghost training cant exist together and as the CSM told CCP "We want training queues", i guess CCP went for it... Unfortunately no one forethought this choice between skill queue training and ghost training. For the majority, the first is a luxury and the second a necessity. In the end, CCP must be pretty ****ed with the CSM and this will make it more deaf to its recommendations in the future. Result: Epic fail everyone, Epic fail CCP if they really go through with this. both QFT. never been much of a fan of alts, altho i ended up paying 2 accounts myself. still, no tears on my part. actually, i think this change would be a lot more amusing if non-active accounts would not count towards the displayed corp/alliance sizes... --- i suposse everyone rolls around stations in pods
Jorel Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:25:00 - [1168] Originally by: Titus Vulso Stick to your guns CCP, don't be pressured by the whiners. Needs to be applied to research points also btw. Stop giving them more stupid ideas.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. United Legion	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:26:00 - [1169] i support this change, i really don't like people with 5 inactive accounts and more. They have extreme advantage over anyone else. I am paying for two accounts and can hardly play on one of them.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.10.13 22:26:00 - [1170] This change is terrible.

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