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Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:19:00 - [841] Edited by: Hecatonis on 13/03/2011 22:21:59 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Hecatonis wow, your English is poor. This is what you love the most about me! Originally by: Hecatonis PS your arguments are still flawed and incorrect. Cry me a river. na, what i like most about you is the inevitable merc contract on your corp played for by selling PLEXs ;) edit: the above statment was a joke, i would never sell PLEXs just to hire mercs. its not worth wasting real cash on. now in game ISK that was made with hard work and smart planning, thats a different story __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Envoy Achates	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:27:00 - [842] Originally by: Hecatonis Edited by: Hecatonis on 13/03/2011 22:21:59 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Hecatonis wow, your English is poor. This is what you love the most about me! Originally by: Hecatonis PS your arguments are still flawed and incorrect. Cry me a river. na, what i like most about you is the inevitable merc contract on your corp played for by selling PLEXs ;) edit: the above statment was a joke, i would never sell PLEXs just to hire mercs. its not worth wasting real cash on. now in game ISK that was made with hard work and smart planning, thats a different story Did someone start a fund already? Sign me up.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:33:00 - [843] And it has NOTHING to do with hurting CCP. They're a fail company that stopped supporting EVE a long time ago. It has to do with encouraging gameplay that makes everybody else's gameplay (i.e. the non-cheaters) less meaningful. If there were no customers, there would be no RMTers and if there were no RMTers, there would be (almost) no botters. If there were no botters, my gameplay would be enhanced exponentially because the ISK I generate or the ore I mine would be that much more valuable in-game.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:34:00 - [844] Edited by: Avon on 13/03/2011 22:36:44 Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 22:04:40 Originally by: Avon Part VI of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984. Section 89(1) of that Act: "A person who drives a motor vehicle on a road at a speed exceeding a limit imposed by or under any enactment to which this section applies shall be guilty of an offence." It does not say that this person shall be punished, does it? Does it say what kind of an offence it is? Is it a criminal or a civil offence? Do you know? Punishments for offences under the Road Traffic Act are prescribed in the Road Traffic Offenders Act (and they are referred to as punishments). A prosecution under the Road Traffic Act would result in a criminal conviction. Acceptance of a fixed penalty notice is an admission of guilt and acceptance of the punishment, but avoids a criminal conviction (you have still broken the law, they just aren't going to prosecute you for it - if you think you are innocent you have to go to court. If you lose you get a criminal conviction). As speeding is a non-reportable offence it is not added to your criminal record and do not need to declare the conviction; except where full disclosure is required by law (applying for a job with children for example). So yes, in the UK speeding is a criminal act which you will be punished for (victim or not). Retro sig
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:45:00 - [845] Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 22:46:32 Originally by: Avon So yes, in the UK speeding is a criminal act which you will be punished for (victim or not). I am pretty sure speeding has got its victims. I am not so sure about EVE players who like to call themselves "victims", because someone else bought his or her PLEX at the wrong site. And, no, it does not mean that I bought a PLEX at the wrong site. I pay my subscription to CCP through my bank account. Even when I have more than enough ISKs to buy me PLEX for 2-3 years. --
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:56:00 - [846] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 22:46:32 Originally by: Avon So yes, in the UK speeding is a criminal act which you will be punished for (victim or not). I am pretty sure speeding has got its victims. We've been over this. Speeding can have victims, but punishment is given victim or not. The punishment is a deterrent. If speeding has hard enough consequences less people will do it, meaning less potential victims. If people knew that not only could they be banned for using RMT sites, but that banning was the most likely punishment, it would act as a better deterrent than your "they didn't hurt anyone, leave them alone" stance. And anyway, in the same way that you said losing your driving licence is not a punishment, someone losing their account wouldn't be a punishment either, would it? Afterall, everything belongs to CCP, right? You can't have it both ways. Retro sig
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.03.13 22:57:00 - [847] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson And it has NOTHING to do with hurting CCP. They're a fail company that stopped supporting EVE a long time ago. Giving us new forums check. Giving us a way to mail our corps and alliances out of game check. Doing 2 massive hardware upgrades within 18 months and a full server move to improve service check. GM's and Devs working on weekends to keep servers up and find problems check Rockets fixed check Continuously making new content check Listening to players and breaking up massive expansions into smaller portions and making them more fixes than new stuff Check. Confirming CCP doesn't like eve and AKJon Ferguson is just a Troll.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.13 23:04:00 - [848] Originally by: Avon We've been over this. Speeding can have victims, but punishment is given victim or not. No. You tried to use speeding as an example for an act that does not have victims, and this is where you are wrong. You picked the example, not me. --
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.13 23:06:00 - [849] Edited by: Avon on 13/03/2011 23:06:18 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Avon We've been over this. Speeding can have victims, but punishment is given victim or not. No. You tried to use speeding as an example for an act that does not have victims, and this is where you are wrong. You picked the example, not me. Not at all. I gave examples of when speeding has no victims - I suggest you re-read the post and try to take it in. Retro sig
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.13 23:13:00 - [850] Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 23:15:31 Originally by: Avon Not at all. I gave examples of when speeding has no victims - I suggest you re-read the post and try to take it in. I still have it in good memory. You even joked about how I would try to talk myself out of a ticket for speeding in my Ferrari 9000 GTFO. Are you now going to tell me that the people who supposedly bought from an illegitimate source are killing people on the streets? --
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.13 23:19:00 - [851] Originally by: Whitehound Are you now going to tell me that the people who supposedly bought from illegitimate source are killing people in the streets? Of course not. They are doing it in space. Are you saying that the only crimes that should be punished are ones where people get killed in the streets? Is that what you think? Really? Retro sig
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.13 23:32:00 - [852] Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 23:36:04 Originally by: Avon Are you saying that the only crimes that should be punished are ones where people get killed in the streets? Is that what you think? Really? No, it is not what I think. It is only not as simple as you might think it is to determine when someone is a victim, an offender and when someone should be punished. The people have bought ISKs, PLEX, etc., but only to play EVE. It is not like they could use the ISKs to play WoW and CCP wants these people to play their game. It is different with bots that are being used to make real money with CCP's hardware and who do not care what MMO it is they are running their bots on. So you cannot just throw all in one bag or put them all onto one large list and publish it only to mark them as guilty or to punish them. --
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.03.14 00:13:00 - [853] This thread is the best thing to happen to the gd in ages. So much hilarity. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.03.14 00:57:00 - [854] Originally by: Gogela /me wonders why so many 'vets' are feeding trolls. When you feed trolls... they get bigger. It's not a troll, it's a guy trying desperately to protect his paycheck.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2011.03.14 02:28:00 - [855] To everyone saying buying ISK with PLEX is no better, there is one significant difference. When you buy ISK with PLEX, some other player gets to play for free. When you buy ISK from farmers, the only person who wins is the farmer.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.14 04:33:00 - [856] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 14/03/2011 04:35:54 CCP is the victim. 1) people are buying isk instead of plex 2) someone is selling isk, which is rightfully CCPs property 3) loss of reputation 1. Loss of income 2. Theft of CCPs digital property 3. Loss of reputation Which begs the question, why isn't CCP suing iskbank? --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.03.14 04:55:00 - [857] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Which begs the question, why isn't CCP suing iskbank? Because its extremely hard to sue a couple of guys with laptops that bounce from low rent hole in the wall to low rent hole in the wall playing rl corp hopping to avoid the warde..err legal charges. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.03.14 05:26:00 - [858] Originally by: Infinity Ziona 1. Loss of income 2. Theft of CCPs digital property 3. Loss of reputation Which begs the question, why isn't CCP suing iskbank? Not many cases have been won if the only wrong doing was breaking the eula, and i don't think any of the points you make hold up in court unless they are found guilty in breaking the eula.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2011.03.14 07:04:00 - [859] Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 14/03/2011 07:06:18 Originally by: dexington Originally by: Infinity Ziona 1. Loss of income 2. Theft of CCPs digital property 3. Loss of reputation Which begs the question, why isn't CCP suing iskbank? Not many cases have been won if the only wrong doing was breaking the eula, and i don't think any of the points you make hold up in court unless they are found guilty in breaking the eula. It depends on local law of course, however, I think I'm right in saying that RMTing is a civil matter, and would probably have to be perused under copyright laws. You can ONLY buy isk from CCP, and while you own it (in the sense that you can use it for whatever) you do not have the right to sell it on for RL money. Functionally, it bears the most resemblance to selling music/movies that you don't own the rights to. When you buy (for example) tracks off iTunes, you don't then have the right to sell them. RMTers didn't download illegally (or 'steal' as copyright troll say) it as dvd pirates do but still CCP alone has the right to sell it.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.03.14 07:36:00 - [860] What's the point in arguing with the troll? He's already made false accusations, called people liars, called them cheaters, noobs, idiots, etc etc. One wonders precisely what the moderators are playing at. No matter, what goes around comes around.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.14 08:09:00 - [861] I see Whitehound is still trying to defend the right to buy isk from ex-soviet countries.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.03.14 08:13:00 - [862] Originally by: Katarlia Simov It depends on local law of course, however, I think I'm right in saying that RMTing is a civil matter, and would probably have to be perused under copyright laws. You can ONLY buy isk from CCP, and while you own it (in the sense that you can use it for whatever) you do not have the right to sell it on for RL money. Functionally, it bears the most resemblance to selling music/movies that you don't own the rights to. When you buy (for example) tracks off iTunes, you don't then have the right to sell them. RMTers didn't download illegally (or 'steal' as copyright troll say) it as dvd pirates do but still CCP alone has the right to sell it. Not all countries have laws like the DMCA, which make it alot harder to win cases like this in europe and almost impossible in most other parts of the world. It's the eula that says you are not allowed to sell isk and items, i don't think you are doing any copyright violation by selling isk. If all you have to back up your claim of wrong doing is the eula, it's not always easy to win a case in court. The eula gives the company the legal right to control accounts, but it's not all that strong when tested in court of law. Im sure that if there was a good chance af winning the case, more companies would be suing RMT sites and using the victories as scare tactics.
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2011.03.14 08:13:00 - [863] Originally by: Othran What's the point in arguing with the troll? He's already made false accusations, called people liars, called them cheaters, noobs, idiots, etc etc. One wonders precisely what the moderators are playing at. No matter, what goes around comes around. As someone has already pointed out, who exactly is getting trolled? Pretty much everyone here is just trolling whitehound now as it has become increasingly obvious that he is deficient in certain key intellectual areas. The only slightly sad thing is that he believes he is still in control of the argument.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.03.14 08:44:00 - [864] Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com: The Vadim Interview http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-the-vadim-interview/ Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com Exposed: CSM Candidates Respond http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-exposed-csm-candidates-respond/ ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.14 09:07:00 - [865] Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com: The Vadim Interview http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-the-vadim-interview/ Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com Exposed: CSM Candidates Respond http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-exposed-csm-candidates-respond/ Good read, lets hope eve news keeps up the dispatchers/panorama reporting the have going on at the moment.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.14 10:18:00 - [866] Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:24:19 Originally by: Aeronwen Carys The only slightly sad thing is that he believes he is still in control of the argument. And right so. Now more bits and pieces come to light, like who hacked whom. Seems more likely than ever that it is one RMTer trying to get rid of another and making everyone a tool. Do you never ask yourself why EveNews24 is getting all the inside information from the RMTs and why they not get much of CCP? I mean look at the IskBank guy. He asks EveNews24 not to disclose the list, but EveNews24 says no. And he still gives them an interview? Come on, I beg you, who wants to be that naive? --
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.14 10:24:00 - [867] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:20:43 Originally by: Aeronwen Carys The only slightly sad thing is that he believes he is still in control of the argument. And right so. Now more bits and pieces come to light, like who hacked whom. Seems more likely than ever that it is one RMTer trying to get rid of another and making everyone a tool. Do you never ask yourself why EveNews24 is getting all the inside information from the RMTs and why they not get much of CCP? Because CCP dont make comments on active investigations while the RMTer is in full damage control mode?
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.14 10:25:00 - [868] Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:26:50 Originally by: baltec1 Because CCP dont make comments on active investigations while the RMTer is in full damage control mode? No. CCP never gives out much information in the first place, not only when EveNews24 comes up with another story. And the guy still giving an interview when he asks EveNews24 not to disclose his customers? --
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.14 10:32:00 - [869] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:26:50 Originally by: baltec1 Because CCP dont make comments on active investigations while the RMTer is in full damage control mode? No. CCP never gives out much information in the first place, not only when EveNews24 comes up with another story. And the guy still giving an interview when he asks EveNews24 not to disclose his customers? Inteview seems to have been done a while ago and maby before the list was brought out going by was has been said before todays posting.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.14 10:47:00 - [870] Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:47:58 Originally by: baltec1 Inteview seems to have been done a while ago and maby before the list was brought out going by was has been said before todays posting. Is this your best explanation? The article says that they agreed to disagree, so the guy knew they were disclosing the list. So why did he give them a 3 hour interview? They are all working together. --

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