The only certificate I show publicly is Hull tanking: elite, because as we all know, real men hull tank.

I think certificates should be changed into what people expected them to be when they were introduced; a collection of skills an experienced person can define and then distribute to less experienced persons to indicate what they need to train to reach a specific goal (to join a corp, to fit in a fleet, and so on). This is pretty much the only thing that would make certificates truly useful.

I guess the original certificates could be kept, at least for the basic stuff, but there need to be a possibility to inject new custom certificates.

This also opens up other interesting things, such as personal skill planning (like a built in EveMon). Also new types of services where you for example could sell fully fitted ships + certificate to fly them properly.

• For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

Would you feel comfortable with any of these options? Which ones do you like? Options outside that list may be considered as well, if expressed in a constructive manner.

mmm.. create new ones with specific skills // like doctrine certificates

Actually I'd also like the ability to set them on visible to corp/alliance members only, etc.

That is actually a great idea. +1

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

Don't see any good coming out of public certificates, as they won't be looked up unless for intel in pvp.

Stop saying certificates are useless!

I'm still using it to follow my skill progression on my alts and it helps in the process of long-term skillqueue planning. It's not useless it's just outdated a little bit.

so hmm in summary
* don't take public certificates away
* don't make comparison for certificates
* make comparison to skills since thats what really matters?

Certificates have purpose it does not need changing?

Remove the ability to set Certificates as public

Remove the ability to set Certificates as public

mmm.. create new ones with specific skills // like doctrine certificates

Nice.

So I'm imagining here certificates that are created by your corporation/alliance, and can be made visible to only your corp/alliance so they can see what their pilots can do.

A finesse would be a Corp Certs View, that lets appropriate officers get the count of pilots with each of their custom certs. So they can see how well prepared they are to fly given doctrines (and can use that to plan new ones).

Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:
Would you feel comfortable with any of these options? Which ones do you like?

- Remove Them.
- Let's be honest after a while into the game, who really cares? I have an '05 Character and I've never claimed any of them. Seams like a waste of time and resources to me.

litterly takes 2 seconds to claim certificates. then your done.

We have long term plans to improve Certificates as a whole and we would appreciate your input regarding their public visibility. At the moment it is possible to set individual certificates as public by going into your character sheet, under the Certificates > Permissions Tab.

Remove the ability to set Certificates as public

Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)

Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

1. Remove certificates from game.

2. Change skills so they made sense and were laid out as a tree (similar to that seen for DUST at fanfest 2013) so they are easy to use for new people and not Fugly for old timers.

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

currently certificates have no value except telling your enemy how much sp your character may have based on wether you made them public or not.


a cool thing would be (as already mentioned by others in this thread), if certificates would be given to you by other players, e.g. the CEO of your Corp.
they could still be skill based:
for example to satisfy the requirements for fleet doctrine certificate ABC the player needs skills abc+xyz
once the player meets those requirements it can be awarded to the player by the ceo of his corp or whatever.
a nice window in corp managment could for example show which dudes still haven't caught up with the doctrines your corp has.

they could show that you mastered a certain style of gameplay
e.g. certificate in fast tackling. awarded to players who have proven a dozen times, that they know how to use an interceptor or whatever. it could additionaly show how much game time you've spend e.g. tackling and or in how many kills your tackling resulted. that may be a good addition for the corp applying process. having something like a r+¬sum+¬-page where your accomplishments are listed.

maybe a combination of both?

either way
certificates should be a player-controlled feature. if a certificate would show, who issued it, there would be actually an incentive to create a "market" for certificates. Corps like EvE-University would profit a lot from a feature like this. Depending on who issued the certificate they could mean more (or less).

We have long term plans to improve Certificates as a whole and we would appreciate your input regarding their public visibility. At the moment it is possible to set individual certificates as public by going into your character sheet, under the Certificates > Permissions Tab.


Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:

Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

- Remove Them.
- Let's be honest after a while into the game, who really cares? I have an '05 Character and I've never claimed any of them. Seams like a waste of time and resources to me.

I guess the original certificates could be kept, at least for the basic stuff, but there need to be a possibility to inject new custom certificates. This also opens up other interesting things, such as personal skill planning (like a built in EveMon). Also new types of services where you for example could sell fully fitted ships + certificate to fly them properly.

As another topic for you guys to voice your feedback to, what information would you feel worried about if it was displayed as public by default and why?

Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public

Certificates up to today Only made damage to the game. I see lots of new players focused in the certificates instead of skilling to fly ships for specific roles and they get misleaded!

Today there is a LOT more peopel that think they do not have enough skilsl to PVP because they do not have elite on the role they Think the certificates describe. I have 100 MILLION sp and i have only a very few elite certificates and MOST are on basics. That is completely misleading and is making HUGE damage to new players experience. I had several friedns thatI introduced to the game complain that they were unable to do this or that because the certificates said they were weak on that.


Not to forget hat most new players think certificates are somethign you go adquire somewhere and keep asking how do I buy a certificate for X or Y so I can fly that ship...



It was a HORRIBLe idea and need to be totally reworked.

So, if you are seriously thinking about making such information public by default, you might as well publicly broadcast every ship's current fit, as well.

Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:

• Remove the ability to set Certificates as public

I would rather see certificates take on a role more similar to achievements in other games and have things linked to PvP (and pve) prowess. Things like killed a battleship in a frigate, won a fight in <5% structure. Successfully tanked x damage. Stuff like that, I have no idea if this is possible to track in eve but achievement unlocks can really add something to other games and adjust your play style at times and it could also open the PvP aspect of eve to more pve orientated players when they have achievement unlocks to aim for as I believe a lot or players which actively avoid PvP do so because they see no structure in it and no clear progression, just a lot of blown up risk, it might also highlight what is achievable through existing game mechanics as I would wager a lot of inexperienced pilots would not think it possible to destroy a larger or more expensive ship than their own in a 1v1 but it obviously is.

Hey, Don't make new certificates! Add "Mass Drivers" and "Streamers" to the weapons!!!

Revamp POS! it is needed!!!

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• Defining custom certificates on corp/alliance level
This would allow every corp to communicate clearly to new and old player what skills it expects from them to fill a specific role.
It would allow for both quality control and skill path orientation


• Connecting corporation level certificates with titles
Serves as a little motivational boost and allows the next point to be implemented.


• Querying those certificates from the corporation interface
Darn we need at least two Interdictors, who is online and can fly them?
How many potential cap pilots do we actually have?

Point. But also certs serve a purpose of helping people into the game and (if corp-customised) into corp roles. So that's a purpose that merits work I think. Assuming more players more often participating at a deeper level with the game = good.

CCP Ytterbium,

Certificates are not interesting at all, because they don't really show your skill capabilities towards a task. The skill list show it better. They are too generic. Don't say if you are a good explorer, a good combat pilot, or a good miner. And definitely don't show if your skills matches the required for some corp to accept you.

So, I suggest you to take all this certificates out, and make new ones that actually show how are the character skills towards all EVE tasks and ships and situations...

But if you guys are going to plan all the certificates, and all the meaningful variations to cover all aspects of eve, you will have to hire hundreds of DEVS just for it... or you will end up with a frustrating feature in hands...

So I will give you the best option, Make certificates like the real life certificates (ISO 9002 for example), this certificates are not made by the govern. And Eve Certificates should not be made by CCP.

Put it in the hand of corporations!!!!

Allow corps CEO and directors to assembly custom Certificates, so corp members(or in case for an oppen certificate everyone), could click on them and check if the certificate is compatible with their skill, If so, they can claim and it becomes visible to the corp members. And the certificated pilot can post on chats to show it. If the corp CEO change the certificate people will have to claim it again.

I bet that EVE University will be the corp that will certify most of pilots with open certificates. and as most corps trust on them, this certificates will have value! (other then the current system)

also some big corps will need its pilots to train for their certificates.... or will only accept certified pilots, so probably the Director will only allow players certified by them to join.

What is your oppinion on this CCP Ytterbium? Don't you think this save your time and gives a good feature?

There's no easy way to see the ships in the game broken up by role and by suggested or required skills/certificates.

I imagine creating a ship browser and next to each ship is five pips that indicate your ability to fly that ship/role. It wouldn't be comprehensive to everything, but it would help communicate what you can do in EVE and how good you are at flying certain ships.
This browser with your ships/roles would be visible to anyone who has a standing with you of your choice (terrible to excellent and then no one).

But this will require a commitment to maintain or else you'll just return to what you have now... an outdated mess.

Hello folks,

We have long term plans to improve Certificates as a whole and we would appreciate your input regarding their public visibility. At the moment it is possible to set individual certificates as public by going into your character sheet, under the Certificates > Permissions Tab.


Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:

• Remove the ability to set Certificates as public


• Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)


• Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own


• For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

Would you feel comfortable with any of these options? Which ones do you like? Options outside that list may be considered as well, if expressed in a constructive manner.


As another topic for you guys to voice your feedback to, what information would you feel worried about if it was displayed as public by default and why?


In all cases, please note all of this remains high-level conceptual work that is in no way set in stone or even planned for the immediate future, which is why we are asking for your input in the first place.

Many thanks for your time.

The ability to customize certificates would be nice. So an FC from a corp could create one, link it and players could click it, link it, save it, whatever. They could then see what skills they are missing and need to train. Also once they have it, perhaps the ability to notify the person with the right roles be able to see what members qualify and who doesn't.

Quintessence, I would like to reply to your comments. Instead of quoting, and making an long reply even longer, I am going to comment with few quotes.

There are better uses of developer time then working on certificates and many people agree. Looking at the Fanfest presentation makes it clear that they are going to "fix" this problem. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to ask them to do something that will have some minimal uses.

We have a common vocabulary already in skills. I have seen many good starter skill packages. I would love to see those package suggestions available to beginners. Those packages were developed by players not CCP. The changes to the skill panel at Fanfest look good to me.

Now for your list:
We have that in skills. Wasting time would be to convince younger players that they really need to spend a few weeks working on their shield compensation skills before they fly a drake.

This is a sandbox, that means we define progress not CCP. Watch the Fanfest presentation Coaching them up in EVE. DNSBlack discusses real progression as a group and an individual within a sandbox. Decide on your own goal. Pursue that goal. Enjoy the results of your own work. CCP is not a validating agent for progress.

I actually like the graphics in the presentation. Giving you a list of other ships with missile bonuses would be fine. Neither of these are related to certificates, which is where the real problems exist. Certificates are a list of skills which should be trained together. If CCP makes those lists then they will feel compelled to promote their skills, even when the skill is not sufficiently useful.

New players need communities to help them understand the game and figure out their own goals. EVE would be better if CCP fixed the corporation interface, and forgot certificates. The corporation interface is something that players would actually like fixed. Corporations can provide the community that actually helps and encourages new players. This is just one example of a better use for CCP's developer time.

My summary is quick. This is not a progressing theme-park, but rather a sandbox with personal goals. CCP should work on something different. Since CCP is likely to go forward with this project, at least they could add corporation certificates which would actually help communities (even if only a small amount).

For the people asking for player created certificates, you do not know what you are asking for. And frankly many of you probably wouldn't use it much past its introduction.

url=fitting:29990:2048;1:3841;2:29974;1:30163;1:1541;4:2281;1:2410;3:31790;3:30066;1:3955;2:30134;1:17559;1:12058;1:1565;1:30110;1::

Step 1.
Look at fittings window.
http://clip2net.com/s/554Fuw

Step 2.
Create a "Skills" category. Let people add skill requirements to fittings by picking from a list/dragndropping/whatever.

Step 3.
Let people link not just the fitting but all their checklist markers via separate button. This can be done by extending specifications on "url=fitting" chat tag Which is looking like


Step 4.
See me using those improved fittings a lot as our alliance standard fittings are changing quite often and the members' skills management is a disaster.

We are not discussing the priority of the certificate system over other stuff here. The UI complexity would be an issue for any kind of system as the amount of information is huge. The system is already here and serves little to no purpose. And the smallest step required to make it feasible is to make certificates customizable. They will not get any usability while they are static. The game evolves too fast in comparison to a standard game production cycle. So the certificates would be permanently outdated bringing useless and even harmful information.

Another question you could ask is, when was the last time anyone looked at another pilots Certs?

If you want them to have game epeen value, put 5 stars under our name, above our corp. Up to 5 and we need to get 5 elite to fill the stars.

If you want people to strive for them, add value to them. Cool down actions would be a suggestion I might make. Example: I have Core Nav elite. I can slot core Nav and when I click on a star between my name and corp, I get a 25% boost to max velocity for 60 seconds and it has a 24 hrs cool down. Max of 5 slotted, the slot goes to CD, so you don't switch them out.

The fact is, as much as people say things like 'I don't want to give away information' etc, the real problem is that certificates are just poorly designed. Fix the overall design and consistency and give them a real purpose (even if just vanity) and they will start to be used

The only certificate I show publicly is Hull tanking: elite, because as we all know, real men hull tank.

I think certificates should be changed into what people expected them to be when they were introduced; a collection of skills an experienced person can define and then distribute to less experienced persons to indicate what they need to train to reach a specific goal (to join a corp, to fit in a fleet, and so on). This is pretty much the only thing that would make certificates truly useful.

I guess the original certificates could be kept, at least for the basic stuff, but there need to be a possibility to inject new custom certificates.

This also opens up other interesting things, such as personal skill planning (like a built in EveMon). Also new types of services where you for example could sell fully fitted ships + certificate to fly them properly.

Querying those certificates from the corporation interface

Darn we need at least two Interdictors, who is online and can fly them?
How many potential cap pilots do we actually have?

This certificate represents a basic level of competence in fitting ships. It certifies that the holder is able to use baseline modules which improve power and CPU capabilities such as Co-Processors, Power Diagnostic Systems and Reactor Control Units. This is the first step towards broadening your fitting options.

Hello folks,

We have long term plans to improve Certificates as a whole and we would appreciate your input regarding their public visibility. At the moment it is possible to set individual certificates as public by going into your character sheet, under the Certificates > Permissions Tab.


Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:

• Remove the ability to set Certificates as public


• Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)


• Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own


• For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

Would you feel comfortable with any of these options? Which ones do you like? Options outside that list may be considered as well, if expressed in a constructive manner.


As another topic for you guys to voice your feedback to, what information would you feel worried about if it was displayed as public by default and why?


In all cases, please note all of this remains high-level conceptual work that is in no way set in stone or even planned for the immediate future, which is why we are asking for your input in the first place.

Many thanks for your time.

Hello folks,

We have long term plans to improve Certificates as a whole and we would appreciate your input regarding their public visibility. At the moment it is possible to set individual certificates as public by going into your character sheet, under the Certificates > Permissions Tab.


Initial research has shown a low usage of characters set Certificates as public, we thus are considering the following options:

• Remove the ability to set Certificates as public


• Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)


• Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own


• For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.

Would you feel comfortable with any of these options? Which ones do you like? Options outside that list may be considered as well, if expressed in a constructive manner.


As another topic for you guys to voice your feedback to, what information would you feel worried about if it was displayed as public by default and why?


In all cases, please note all of this remains high-level conceptual work that is in no way set in stone or even planned for the immediate future, which is why we are asking for your input in the first place.

Many thanks for your time.

I think Certificates, Employment History and Decorations all need a big remake. Preferably one that integrates all the aspects, and gives them some new and proper used features.

Certificates:

Used for granting access to membership in npc corps, and thus granting a benefit to standing gains when doing PVE, while sacrificing isk via taxation. Tax in npc corps should be fixed to work on taxing all types of transactions in a well balanced way, and thus making it worth it to move into player corps.

Employment History.

This should be changed to a CV based function, where players can set visual parts. Also corps should be able to have an employment history log, that can be exported. The important missing part of this feature is showing length of time as a member better, and maybe granted roles and decorations. (see next)

Decoration

These are currently only vanity oriented this is making them less interesting to most players. A nice way to change this would be to integrate it into the implants system. Thus making it a sort of guild-booster. The corp issuing a decoration can install an implant that then grants a bonus to all members with the decoration. The price to grant the decoration would be base price + price of the installed implant. (the implant would be consumed when granting the decoration)

This would be 1 or 2 slots dedicated to this feature and maybe a specific type would be needed, or any existing implant could be used but at 50% efficiency, to add stacking penalty.

Remove the ability to set Certificates as public

Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)

Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own

For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.