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Amon Evakrace
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:56:00 - [571]

shield transporters are half effective as armour repair drones, no surprise there then for ya standard eve bs YARRRR!!

other than that, looks funky >.<
Justin Thyme
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:56:00 - [572]

Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6
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Amon Evakrace
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:56:00 - [573]

shield transporters are half effective as armour repair drones, no surprise there then for ya standard eve bs YARRRR!!

other than that, looks funky >.<
Justin Thyme
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:56:00 - [574]

Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:59:00 - [575]

Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:01:00 - [576]

Edited by: Ampoliros on 31/10/2005 21:00:59
Originally by: Amon Evakrace
shield transporters are half effective as armour repair drones, no surprise there then for ya standard eve bs YARRRR!!

other than that, looks funky >.<



Half as effective, for half the cycle time. It still works out to the same HP/sec. (60 in 5 or 120 in 10)

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:02:00 - [577]

Hate it!

Drone carriers are getting screwed in the fact that they took the time to train skills which would allow them to use more drones per level.

Now with this being implimented you're effectivly screwing them out of time.

I hope you plan on compensating all the players who trained the Drone Interfacing skills and wasted their PAID gametime on those skills.

Because that's just what it is. Wasted gametime.

Alot of people could have trained something else if they knew these crap changes were coming.

Please stop screwing with the currently established skills and focus on something else.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:03:00 - [578]

Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..


Right my mistake so instead of 11 drones i get 5 that do the work of 8 or maybe 9. your right that;s much better.

Not really directed back at you.... just ****ed at the devs right now. THank you for fixing my math though.


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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:04:00 - [579]

ôYou are losing 10 drones and getting 5 drones that are as effective as 15, buhu?ö
From a mining point of view you go from 15 drones down to 5 drones. With those 5 drones being as effective as 10 old drones. Meaning an overall loss of 5 drones.

Plus all those people that spent over 1 month getting battleship level 5 for extra mining drones have wasted a month of training.

Apart from that I am fine with Thermal damage and the other changeÆs.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:04:00 - [580]

ôYou are losing 10 drones and getting 5 drones that are as effective as 15, buhu?ö
From a mining point of view you go from 15 drones down to 5 drones. With those 5 drones being as effective as 10 old drones. Meaning an overall loss of 5 drones.

Plus all those people that spent over 1 month getting battleship level 5 for extra mining drones have wasted a month of training.

Apart from that I am fine with Thermal damage and the other changeÆs.


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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:08:00 - [581]

Originally by: Justin Thyme
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..


Right my mistake so instead of 11 drones i get 5 that do the work of 8 or maybe 9. your right that;s much better.

Not really directed back at you.... just ****ed at the devs right now. THank you for fixing my math though.




Well technically speaking, with a 20% bonus, 5 drones can do the same work as 10 drones with drone interfacing 5.. or 9 with drone interfacing 4.
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Mack Dorgeans
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:08:00 - [582]

OK, so there's a mining bonus -- that's cool, but...

Doesn't anyone here ever train less than level 5 of a skill? The trends in game changes of late seem to be toward making people have to spend months training up new skills or improving old ones they didn't need at 5 before. This game is already super newbie unfriendly in terms of how offputting it is to get in the game and find you can't really compete for several months while you train up skills, so why make things worse by forcing people to learn more to be as effective as before? Well, I guess those of us who flew missile boats got the shaft that way already, so why not drone users, too? Oh, then there are those of us who use both...

Folks I talk to lately say they are going all guns because of the missile changes. Now they're already starting to say they're going to avoid drone ships, too. This may be too much of a overreaction, but that's what I'm hearing.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:08:00 - [583]

Originally by: Justin Thyme
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..


Right my mistake so instead of 11 drones i get 5 that do the work of 8 or maybe 9. your right that;s much better.

Not really directed back at you.... just ****ed at the devs right now. THank you for fixing my math though.




Well technically speaking, with a 20% bonus, 5 drones can do the same work as 10 drones with drone interfacing 5.. or 9 with drone interfacing 4.
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:08:00 - [584]

OK, so there's a mining bonus -- that's cool, but...

Doesn't anyone here ever train less than level 5 of a skill? The trends in game changes of late seem to be toward making people have to spend months training up new skills or improving old ones they didn't need at 5 before. This game is already super newbie unfriendly in terms of how offputting it is to get in the game and find you can't really compete for several months while you train up skills, so why make things worse by forcing people to learn more to be as effective as before? Well, I guess those of us who flew missile boats got the shaft that way already, so why not drone users, too? Oh, then there are those of us who use both...

Folks I talk to lately say they are going all guns because of the missile changes. Now they're already starting to say they're going to avoid drone ships, too. This may be too much of a overreaction, but that's what I'm hearing.
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:09:00 - [585]

Originally by: Pottsey
ôYou are losing 10 drones and getting 5 drones that are as effective as 15, buhu?ö
From a mining point of view you go from 15 drones down to 5 drones. With those 5 drones being as effective as 10 old drones. Meaning an overall loss of 5 drones.

Plus all those people that spent over 1 month getting battleship level 5 for extra mining drones have wasted a month of training.

Apart from that I am fine with Thermal damage and the other changeÆs.



Okay well, if you are a serious miner you aren't training Gallente Battleship 5 for mining, there are these ships called mining barges perhaps you've heard of them they're better than battleships for that sort of thing.

No offense but I just freaking HATE people using battleships for mining, it's always bugged me. In fact the Apocalypse is still retarded cause it can still ALMOST match a large barget + has way better defenses, ugh!!! :(
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:09:00 - [586]

Originally by: Pottsey
ôYou are losing 10 drones and getting 5 drones that are as effective as 15, buhu?ö
From a mining point of view you go from 15 drones down to 5 drones. With those 5 drones being as effective as 10 old drones. Meaning an overall loss of 5 drones.

Plus all those people that spent over 1 month getting battleship level 5 for extra mining drones have wasted a month of training.

Apart from that I am fine with Thermal damage and the other changeÆs.



Okay well, if you are a serious miner you aren't training Gallente Battleship 5 for mining, there are these ships called mining barges perhaps you've heard of them they're better than battleships for that sort of thing.

No offense but I just freaking HATE people using battleships for mining, it's always bugged me. In fact the Apocalypse is still retarded cause it can still ALMOST match a large barget + has way better defenses, ugh!!! :(
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:14:00 - [587]

Well, I'd say pick one:

door #1: give Raven bonuses only to kinetic missiles

door #2: give Dom bonus (+5%) to all drone damage types, instead of the +10% per level thermal

Given that a Raven can switch damage type *much* faster than a Dom can recall drones to bay and launch new set, the above is a given if we want game balance.

I'd go for:

- Dom, Ishtar & Vexor: +5% per level all drone damage
- Raven, Cerberus and Caracal: +5% per level all missile damage

Seems fair to me.

Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:14:00 - [588]

Well, I'd say pick one:

door #1: give Raven bonuses only to kinetic missiles

door #2: give Dom bonus (+5%) to all drone damage types, instead of the +10% per level thermal

Given that a Raven can switch damage type *much* faster than a Dom can recall drones to bay and launch new set, the above is a given if we want game balance.

I'd go for:

- Dom, Ishtar & Vexor: +5% per level all drone damage
- Raven, Cerberus and Caracal: +5% per level all missile damage

Seems fair to me.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:23:00 - [589]

Originally by: Justin Thyme
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..


Right my mistake so instead of 11 drones i get 5 that do the work of 8 or maybe 9. your right that;s much better.



5 drones that do the work of 10, means less maintenance and cheaper to replace if lost. Also means you can fit 5 combat drones as spares and switch as needed.

You should be thanking devs instead...
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:23:00 - [590]

Originally by: Justin Thyme
Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Justin Thyme
Oh and thanks for the small bone of a 20% extra minning yeid ... now instead of 11 drones i have 5 that do the work of 6


silly boy, that's 20% per LEVEL of drone interfacing skill, not just 20%..


Right my mistake so instead of 11 drones i get 5 that do the work of 8 or maybe 9. your right that;s much better.



5 drones that do the work of 10, means less maintenance and cheaper to replace if lost. Also means you can fit 5 combat drones as spares and switch as needed.

You should be thanking devs instead...
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 - [591]

Damn it, I love my drone swarms, why you gotta kill my swarms like that Sad






Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 - [592]

Please, don't compare the Raven to the Dominix.

Tier 2 vs Tier 1.



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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 - [593]

Damn it, I love my drone swarms, why you gotta kill my swarms like that Sad






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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 - [594]

Please, don't compare the Raven to the Dominix.

Tier 2 vs Tier 1.



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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:29:00 - [595]

Originally by: Yuki Li
Please, don't compare the Raven to the Dominix.

Tier 2 vs Tier 1.




Oh, so tier2 battleships get to have general +5% bonuses while tier 1 battleships don't? I wasn't aware of that. Rolling Eyes

Riddle me this. Why would I fly a Dom after this, opposed to some other bs that can field the same number of drones *and* do lots of other things besides. Ever taken a look at a Dom stats? They suck (lowest grid in game, etc). The reason for that is drones -- but now that other battleships are pretty close to it in the drone department, why not fly some other bs that can also field 5 drones *and* have proper grid and bonuses too?

Sucks for us Dominix pilots, I guess.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:29:00 - [596]

Originally by: Yuki Li
Please, don't compare the Raven to the Dominix.

Tier 2 vs Tier 1.




Oh, so tier2 battleships get to have general +5% bonuses while tier 1 battleships don't? I wasn't aware of that. Rolling Eyes

Riddle me this. Why would I fly a Dom after this, opposed to some other bs that can field the same number of drones *and* do lots of other things besides. Ever taken a look at a Dom stats? They suck (lowest grid in game, etc). The reason for that is drones -- but now that other battleships are pretty close to it in the drone department, why not fly some other bs that can also field 5 drones *and* have proper grid and bonuses too?

Sucks for us Dominix pilots, I guess.

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:30:00 - [597]

Originally by: Selvin
ok im drones user (heavy/interfacing/drone 5/5/5 working on specialization)... and only one thing looks bad for me ....
"Drone Interfacing skill changed 20% bonus to drone damage and 20% bonus to drone mining yield"
WTF? im not miner ...


sorry .... whan i was reading i didnt see this "...to drone damage..." Laughing

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:30:00 - [598]

Originally by: Selvin
ok im drones user (heavy/interfacing/drone 5/5/5 working on specialization)... and only one thing looks bad for me ....
"Drone Interfacing skill changed 20% bonus to drone damage and 20% bonus to drone mining yield"
WTF? im not miner ...


sorry .... whan i was reading i didnt see this "...to drone damage..." Laughing

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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:34:00 - [599]

I'm still trying to get through this thread, but so far, it looks like a terrible idea and I'd like to quote from the blog:

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Well there is nothing really wrong with them,....

And the next time you try to put farjung in his place, don't... I think he's smarter than you.
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:34:00 - [600]

I'm still trying to get through this thread, but so far, it looks like a terrible idea and I'd like to quote from the blog:

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What's wrong with the drones we do have?

Well there is nothing really wrong with them,....

And the next time you try to put farjung in his place, don't... I think he's smarter than you.
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