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Farjung	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:35:00 - [241] Originally by: NTRabbit A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. The examples he used, Raven and Hawk, both get RoF bonuses though, which are damage over time bonuses as well. How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right?
Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:35:00 - [242] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong however its not like most poeple have invested that amount of skills points Also its no difference that assigning weapons to different targets --------
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:35:00 - [243] Originally by: NTRabbit A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. The examples he used, Raven and Hawk, both get RoF bonuses though, which are damage over time bonuses as well. How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right? --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [244] Also wtf is that about "were upping the HP of drones"? The time it takes to kill drones is not about "breaking their tank" lol, its about killing 15 of them, due to targeting time, max target count, etc. So 5 drones die faster then 15 still. Sucks to be ishtar then. Or dominix. Or moros. Oh, and btw: WTS ishtar & dominix.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [245] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: NTRabbit A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. The examples he used, Raven and Hawk, both get RoF bonuses though, which are damage over time bonuses as well. How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right? yeah why not giving it 500 DPS with drones... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [246] Originally by: Lady Chiron Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. [Edit] If your worry is that people will have to many of the new drones out at once, make them take up more space in the drone bay, or else limit the number of those you are specifically worried about. But please leave normal combat and miner drones as they are. lol, you consider the creation of lag as a defense strategy??!?!!? Drone ships dont loose any damage at all..., just damage types a bit, and gain lots of other possiblities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [247] Originally by: Lady Chiron Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. [Edit] If your worry is that people will have to many of the new drones out at once, make them take up more space in the drone bay, or else limit the number of those you are specifically worried about. But please leave normal combat and miner drones as they are. lol, you consider the creation of lag as a defense strategy??!?!!? Drone ships dont loose any damage at all..., just damage types a bit, and gain lots of other possiblities From Dusk till Dawn
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [248] Also wtf is that about "were upping the HP of drones"? The time it takes to kill drones is not about "breaking their tank" lol, its about killing 15 of them, due to targeting time, max target count, etc. So 5 drones die faster then 15 still. Sucks to be ishtar then. Or dominix. Or moros. Oh, and btw: WTS ishtar & dominix. ---
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:36:00 - [249] Originally by: Farjung Originally by: NTRabbit A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. The examples he used, Raven and Hawk, both get RoF bonuses though, which are damage over time bonuses as well. How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right? yeah why not giving it 500 DPS with drones... From Dusk till Dawn
Bsport	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:38:00 - [250] Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 16:38:28 Originally by: Lady Chiron Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. 100% agree WTS, Ishtar and Dominix --------
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:38:00 - [251] Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type?
Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:38:00 - [252] Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 16:40:23 Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 16:38:28 Originally by: Lady Chiron Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. 100% agree this is a massive kick in the teeth for poeple with large amounts of SP in drones WTS, Ishtar and Dominix --------
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:38:00 - [253] Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type? ---
keepiru	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [254] Edited by: keepiru on 31/10/2005 16:41:25 Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari You mean like the breacher? :P Matari cant really claim to suffer when choosing damage, sorry. Anyway, ive asked for damage type bonus conversion before, so i guess ill take it up on myself to be as obnoxious and loud as possible now in campaigning against them. edit: and yes, ofc, hello raven bonus? why does the domi have to be damage type penalised? Whats the bleeding advantage for the game's balance to justify any ship being limited in such a way? -------------
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [255] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type? lala, you may check some other caldari ships... cerberus... kestrel... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Spuki	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [256] Edited by: Spuki on 31/10/2005 16:48:28 Edited by: Spuki on 31/10/2005 16:40:26 Really looking forward to a webbing drones + blaster taranis. it will wtfbbq any other ceptor.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [257] Edited by: keepiru on 31/10/2005 16:41:25 Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari You mean like the breacher? :P Matari cant really claim to suffer when choosing damage, sorry. Anyway, ive asked for damage type bonus conversion before, so i guess ill take it up on myself to be as obnoxious and loud as possible now in campaigning against them. edit: and yes, ofc, hello raven bonus? why does the domi have to be damage type penalised? Whats the bleeding advantage for the game's balance to justify any ship being limited in such a way? ---------------- Boost T2 Plate HP!
Spuki Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [258] Edited by: Spuki on 31/10/2005 16:49:43 Really looking forward to a webbing drones + blaster taranis. it will wtfbbq any other ceptor. Well, at least thats one useful gallente ship remaining, then. Good i trained up caldari ... oh wait .. caldari sucks as well
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:40:00 - [259] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type? lala, you may check some other caldari ships... cerberus... kestrel... From Dusk till Dawn
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:41:00 - [260] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/10/2005 16:43:26 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type? Good luck fitting all those damage types in a 665m3 Cargo hold when you can hold ~1k Torpedoes tops.. the velocity bonus is a fairly dubious bonus for Ravens considering they are only powerful with short range torpedo setups. Perhaps people should harp on the Raven less and look at all the other Caldari ships, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, these all have kinetic missile only bonuses.. The OMFG RAVEN stuff gets old, Ravens hardly pwn EVE at the moment, stupid plated thoraxes however seem to be quite the flavor of the month. ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:41:00 - [261] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari You mean like the breacher? :P Matari cant really claim to suffer when choosing damage, sorry. Anyway, ive asked for damage type bonus conversion before, so i guess ill take it up on myself to be as obnoxious and loud as possible now in campaigning against them. Breacher has explosive missle bonus... And Matari ammu has less damage... and you need to switch ammos to do other damage (which will do less damage since its long range ammo) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:41:00 - [262] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari You mean like the breacher? :P Matari cant really claim to suffer when choosing damage, sorry. Anyway, ive asked for damage type bonus conversion before, so i guess ill take it up on myself to be as obnoxious and loud as possible now in campaigning against them. Breacher has explosive missle bonus... And Matari ammu has less damage... and you need to switch ammos to do other damage (which will do less damage since its long range ammo) From Dusk till Dawn
Jim Raynor Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:41:00 - [263] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 31/10/2005 16:43:26 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari Like caldari? Lol suffer what?` Raven: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Cruise and Siege Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo Velocity per level. Again, what are you suffering when switching missile type? Good luck fitting all those damage types in a 665m3 Cargo hold when you can hold ~1k Torpedoes tops.. the velocity bonus is a fairly dubious bonus for Ravens considering they are only powerful with short range torpedo setups. Perhaps people should harp on the Raven less and look at all the other Caldari ships, Kestrel, Caracal, Cerberus, these all have kinetic missile only bonuses.. The OMFG RAVEN stuff gets old, Ravens hardly pwn EVE at the moment, stupid plated thoraxes however seem to be quite the flavor of the month. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Fruchten	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [264] Amarr sentry drone - good tracking, decent optimal range, fair damage, small falloff Caldari sentry drone - decent tracking, high optimal range, lowest damage, decent falloff Gallente sentry drone - good tracking, low optimal range, highest damage, ok falloff Minmatar sentry drone - poor tracking, good optimal range, second lowest damage, great falloff duration \| opt range \| falloff \| tracking caldari \| 2 \| 50 000 \| 25 000 \| 0.010 minmatar \| 2 \| 40 000 \| 35 000 \| 0.010 damage mult \| damage (50) amarr \| 1.3 \| Em \| caldari \| 1.2 \| Kinetic \| gallente \| 1.6 \| Thermal \| minmatar \| 1.4 \| Explosive \| Think you have incorrect stats here, or the blog is wrong. Says caldari have decent tracking while minmatar have poor, but they are both 0.010, the worst. Also says minmatar have the second lowest damage but they have the second best by the numbers. Clarification here?
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [265] "How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right? " Aye; although damage bonus would be likely more practical -- with drones' high RoF would probably run into the same server trouble which forced the change of frigate RoF boosts into damage increases... o.O
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [266] Originally by: Bsport Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong however its not like most poeple have invested that amount of skills points Also its no difference that assigning weapons to different targets Well, maybe people should before thy claim to decently fly a ship... I have 26mio SP, and still no time to max my missle skills -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Robet Katrix	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [267] I'm not a gallente character, i dont fly gallente ships, and i most definetly dont like fighting gallente ships, but this hurts me. I wonder how long this will last on SiSi
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [268] Originally by: Bsport Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong however its not like most poeple have invested that amount of skills points Also its no difference that assigning weapons to different targets Well, maybe people should before thy claim to decently fly a ship... I have 26mio SP, and still no time to max my missle skills From Dusk till Dawn
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [269] "How about dominix getting drone RoF bonus - that'd be fair, right? " Aye; although damage bonus would be likely more practical -- with drones' high RoF would probably run into the same server trouble which forced the change of frigate RoF boosts into damage increases... o.O
Robet Katrix Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:42:00 - [270] I'm not a gallente character, i dont fly gallente ships, and i most definetly dont like fighting gallente ships, but this hurts me. I wonder how long this will last on SiSi

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