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 Bsport    |
Posted - 2005.11.01 08:49:00 -
[871] Edited by: Bsport on 01/11/2005 08:49:34 ok so using 15 drones, so if someone killed a drone you'd be looking at 1/15 of our damage output gone, not a big problem, however if they go ahead with the changes then someone kills a drone you lose 3/15 of the damage. they take down 2 of the drones instead of 2/15 of the damage gone its 6/15 of the damage output gone! thats enough to make you fall back, yes they'll have increase hit points but takeing out 1 drones is alot quicker then takening out 3 -------- |
 Evil Thug |
Posted - 2005.11.01 08:49:00 -
[872] Lets make Drones, use theyr own drones, then everyone will be happy  ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
 Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2005.11.01 08:49:00 -
[873] Lets make Drones, use theyr own drones, then everyone will be happy |
 Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.11.01 08:49:00 -
[874] Edited by: Bsport on 01/11/2005 08:49:34 ok so using 15 drones, so if someone killed a drone you'd be looking at 1/15 of our damage output gone, not a big problem, however if they go ahead with the changes then someone kills a drone you lose 3/15 of the damage. they take down 2 of the drones instead of 2/15 of the damage gone its 6/15 of the damage output gone! thats enough to make you fall back, yes they'll have increase hit points but takeing out 1 drones is alot quicker then takening out 3 -------- |
 Steven Dynahir |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:08:00 -
[875] Well this devblog was a bomb. I do not like these changes, and these are my reasons. 1. I've trained my Drone skills alot, and also alot of those skills that support drone operation. I am comfortable that my time has not been wasted, since I feel a little special hanging out my 15 drones. After the change, I'm as ordinary as any, fly 5 drones, wehee. 2. As race/story perspective, Gallante is the "Drone Race". After the change, you can forget it. 3. Versality of using drones is best part. I can load up the ship with drones, and do several different things while out from station. If I notice that I got some left over cargo space, I just pop to roid field and fill it up before docking. After this change, my spare/different drone capacity is reduced. 4. Enemy (NPC) distraction was fun part, why make all the enemies argo your self when you can send 1 drone to harash each one? After the chance, a harashment means that you lose 1/5 of your drones per each enemy. The result is, that if these changes come to be, my fun for flying Vexor/Domi/Ishtar is reduced, propably to a point where I no longer want to fly them. Their specialty (atleast to me) is gone, I might aswel revert to using Deimos. Well anyway, was fun to fly those, but things change. Maybe you guys at CCP invent some new unique, "feel a different" ship some day to replace the loss. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
 Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:08:00 -
[876] Well this devblog was a bomb. I do not like these changes, and these are my reasons. 1. I've trained my Drone skills alot, and also alot of those skills that support drone operation. I am comfortable that my time has not been wasted, since I feel a little special hanging out my 15 drones. After the change, I'm as ordinary as any, fly 5 drones, wehee. 2. As race/story perspective, Gallante is the "Drone Race". After the change, you can forget it. 3. Versality of using drones is best part. I can load up the ship with drones, and do several different things while out from station. If I notice that I got some left over cargo space, I just pop to roid field and fill it up before docking. After this change, my spare/different drone capacity is reduced. 4. Enemy (NPC) distraction was fun part, why make all the enemies argo your self when you can send 1 drone to harash each one? After the chance, a harashment means that you lose 1/5 of your drones per each enemy. The result is, that if these changes come to be, my fun for flying Vexor/Domi/Ishtar is reduced, propably to a point where I no longer want to fly them. Their specialty (atleast to me) is gone, I might aswel revert to using Deimos. Well anyway, was fun to fly those, but things change. Maybe you guys at CCP invent some new unique, "feel a different" ship some day to replace the loss. --- Sell orders Recruitment |
Gabriel Karade |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:11:00 -
[877] I love some of the arguments against this change... "Oh it won't look as good with 5 drones as it does with 15"  (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on" |
 Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:11:00 -
[878] I love some of the arguments against this change... "Oh it won't look as good with 5 drones as it does with 15" ---------- Video - 'War-Machine' |
 Ithildin |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:12:00 -
[879] Aren't Sentry Drones something like mobile sentry turrets, but a bit weaker? Or are they really drones that follow you around? If the latter, they'll be a bit... strange... especially considering that they loose control and just sit there if you warp away. And when taken into account that they are anchored, it's highly unlikely you'll get them back when you need to warp away. At all. Looks more to me that these are going to be some sort of drone that's unaffected by skills, target like a stupid POS, and are used to fortify gates in 0.0 Have I missed a dev reply on these? Teleportation device? Used to highjack other's ships? We had one. It was destroyed by friendly fire, though. |
 Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:12:00 -
[880] Aren't Sentry Drones something like mobile sentry turrets, but a bit weaker? Or are they really drones that follow you around? If the latter, they'll be a bit... strange... especially considering that they loose control and just sit there if you warp away. And when taken into account that they are anchored, it's highly unlikely you'll get them back when you need to warp away. At all. Looks more to me that these are going to be some sort of drone that's unaffected by skills, target like a stupid POS, and are used to fortify gates in 0.0 Have I missed a dev reply on these? - EVE is sick. |
 Zyrla Bladestorm |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:16:00 -
[881]
Tuxford said they behave exactly like normal drones, they just don't move. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred. |
 Zyrla Bladestorm Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:16:00 -
[882]
Tuxford said they behave exactly like normal drones, they just don't move. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred. |
Ithildin |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:19:00 -
[883] Right. Oh and on the Taranis: it'll have room for one and a half small drone, so Taranis won't be as EW-drone-Godly as some seem to think. (15/2 = 7.5) Teleportation device? Used to highjack other's ships? We had one. It was destroyed by friendly fire, though. |
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:19:00 -
[884] Right. Oh and on the Taranis: it'll have room for one and a half small drone, so Taranis won't be as EW-drone-Godly as some seem to think. (15/2 = 7.5) - EVE is sick. |
 Phlaago Rexor |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:27:00 -
[885] Aww... i was looking forward to getting my droneskills up a bit.. now i wont bother. and a big NO to web drones, if you still insisnt they should be in then for the love of all that is eve hardcap activation range to 10km or something similar. targetpainting drones might be useful for missile users though... |
 Phlaago Rexor Minmatar Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:27:00 -
[886] Aww... i was looking forward to getting my droneskills up a bit.. now i wont bother. and a big NO to web drones, if you still insisnt they should be in then for the love of all that is eve hardcap activation range to 10km or something similar. targetpainting drones might be useful for missile users though... |
Tuxford  |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:41:00 -
[887]
We've been discussing this around the office yesterday. Personally I can see both sides of the arguement but there are certain differences that are convincing me that it should be a all around damage bonus the most crucial being that people on gallente drone ships didn't necessarily train up to use Gallente drones. The other being if drone ships being mostly Gallente will only use Gallente drones who's going to use the others. I'm a bit surprised that I haven't seen more complaints from manufacturer tbh. _______________ |
 Tuxford |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:41:00 -
[888]
We've been discussing this around the office yesterday. Personally I can see both sides of the arguement but there are certain differences that are convincing me that it should be a all around damage bonus the most crucial being that people on gallente drone ships didn't necessarily train up to use Gallente drones. The other being if drone ships being mostly Gallente will only use Gallente drones who's going to use the others. I'm a bit surprised that I haven't seen more complaints from manufacturer tbh. _______________ |
Meridius |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:45:00 -
[889]
Exactly, great point. Who's going to use Caldari drones? They don't have a drone ship period. If you are going to make the damage bonus effect all drones please do so for the Arbitrator as well. It's our only cruiser which has a chance of not being 100% predictable. ________________________________________________________ |
 Moadyb |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:45:00 -
[890] This is unbelievable CRAP... I hate this, everyone I speak to in my corp hates it, its absolutly unbalancing, the EWAR stuff is really really bad. Dont fix was aint broken! |
 Moadyb Carnivore Ince |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:45:00 -
[891] This is unbelievable CRAP... I hate this, everyone I speak to in my corp hates it, its absolutly unbalancing, the EWAR stuff is really really bad. Dont fix was aint broken! |
 Meridius Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:45:00 -
[892]
Exactly, great point. Who's going to use Caldari drones? They don't have a drone ship period. If you are going to make the damage bonus effect all drones please do so for the Arbitrator as well. It's our only cruiser which has a chance of not being 100% predictable. - _____ |
 jaketheuntaki |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:48:00 -
[893] In principle its a nice idea to have speciality drones (players suggested that and you responded). The lag from drones is your fault though, you designed a system that cant cope with the increased numbers of players and drones. So personally I agree in the reduction in numbers part, it has to come with the increase in players. What I have difficulty with is the new drone classes. Drones should not replace humans in ability to any greater degree than already ingame. Logistics, EW and tackling ships should not be replaced by 5 drones. How about implementing the numbers change, dump the new drone classes and remove drones from all other races but Gallente. That way Gallente remain the drone race, drone lag is removed and specialisation of ships is not nerfed by new drones. |
Steven Dynahir |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:48:00 -
[894]
I've seen a lot of things that don't look good, and have to say that I prefer things that do look good. I am even willing to pay more on things that look good. Hell I just bought a computer case (yes, just a case, without any components, not even PSU) which costed more than a cheap laptop, but it looks good. If you look at WoW, you'll notice that it doesn't have anything other than every other RPG grinder, it just looks good. And it's popular. Why did I originally choose EVE instead of E&B? EVE looked good, EB didn't (that and CCP told that EVE will have fully working stock market, still waiting). People tend to like things that look good. With the drone change I might get "more bang for a buck", but it doesn't look good. More precicely, it doesn't feel good. And if I'm not feeling good, then there's no point in using it. I might even go down to using Celestis, since it looks good, even witout the drones. And yes, I've learned missile skills just for that, for using Celestis.. I like games where there are varieties, this drone change is closing the gaps between races. I see the process of "flatheading" things in this change. Let's just tweak the stats, one by one, until all the ships are the same. Same stats for everyone, and one I WIN button for those who wish to win. Well, I'll propably be the minority on this. I like to feel that playing should be something other than calculating how things work at best, which module to put to where and what drone to use in which situation. I like to play for the enjoyment it gives, not for just playing. And things that give me enjoyment tend to look good. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
 jaketheuntaki Gallente |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:48:00 -
[895] In principle its a nice idea to have speciality drones (players suggested that and you responded). The lag from drones is your fault though, you designed a system that cant cope with the increased numbers of players and drones. So personally I agree in the reduction in numbers part, it has to come with the increase in players. What I have difficulty with is the new drone classes. Drones should not replace humans in ability to any greater degree than already ingame. Logistics, EW and tackling ships should not be replaced by 5 drones. How about implementing the numbers change, dump the new drone classes and remove drones from all other races but Gallente. That way Gallente remain the drone race, drone lag is removed and specialisation of ships is not nerfed by new drones. |
Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:48:00 -
[896]
I've seen a lot of things that don't look good, and have to say that I prefer things that do look good. I am even willing to pay more on things that look good. Hell I just bought a computer case (yes, just a case, without any components, not even PSU) which costed more than a cheap laptop, but it looks good. If you look at WoW, you'll notice that it doesn't have anything other than every other RPG grinder, it just looks good. And it's popular. Why did I originally choose EVE instead of E&B? EVE looked good, EB didn't (that and CCP told that EVE will have fully working stock market, still waiting). People tend to like things that look good. With the drone change I might get "more bang for a buck", but it doesn't look good. More precicely, it doesn't feel good. And if I'm not feeling good, then there's no point in using it. I might even go down to using Celestis, since it looks good, even witout the drones. And yes, I've learned missile skills just for that, for using Celestis.. I like games where there are varieties, this drone change is closing the gaps between races. I see the process of "flatheading" things in this change. Let's just tweak the stats, one by one, until all the ships are the same. Same stats for everyone, and one I WIN button for those who wish to win. Well, I'll propably be the minority on this. I like to feel that playing should be something other than calculating how things work at best, which module to put to where and what drone to use in which situation. I like to play for the enjoyment it gives, not for just playing. And things that give me enjoyment tend to look good. --- Sell orders Recruitment |
 Tuxford |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:52:00 -
[897]
Of course it would also apply to the Arbitrator. _______________ |
Tuxford |
Posted - 2005.11.01 09:52:00 -
[898]
Of course it would also apply to the Arbitrator. _______________ |
 Jaredh Elkin |
Posted - 2005.11.01 10:00:00 -
[899]
I was away for six months this spring and summer. As I came back, I noticed that there were these skills for race-specific drones. I still don't have an idea which are Gallente drones and which are Caldari drones - I thought that drones were Gallente speciality, first of all. I'd say you need to lose the drone race specification. Why can't Gallente build explosive drones? This seems the same as specifying missile types by race: "As minmatar, you need to use just explosive missiles". Not very bright in my opinion. (Granted, Caldari get kinetic missile bonus on some ships.) Give bonii to just "combat drones" or somesuch, if you want to give bonii to drone ships. And yes, the gun types are divided across racial lines. I don't know why this bothers me less than race-specific drones. |
 Jaredh Elkin Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.11.01 10:00:00 -
[900]
I was away for six months this spring and summer. As I came back, I noticed that there were these skills for race-specific drones. I still don't have an idea which are Gallente drones and which are Caldari drones - I thought that drones were Gallente speciality, first of all. I'd say you need to lose the drone race specification. Why can't Gallente build explosive drones? This seems the same as specifying missile types by race: "As minmatar, you need to use just explosive missiles". Not very bright in my opinion. (Granted, Caldari get kinetic missile bonus on some ships.) Give bonii to just "combat drones" or somesuch, if you want to give bonii to drone ships. And yes, the gun types are divided across racial lines. I don't know why this bothers me less than race-specific drones. |
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