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 Bsport    |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:30:00 -
[481] Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 19:30:47 Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 19:29:53 Tuxford Can we have a more detailed reason why you feel this nerf is need because as you say in the blog
But wont reducing the number of drones in space limit them EVEN MORE, so is this a nerf just for the sake of nerf'ing?. Also adding the new drone would still work if you placed a limit on how many of x type drone you can use at anyone time, ie normal combat drones NO changes, sentry drones max 6 with max skills, Jamming drones max of 3 at anyone time etc etc or did you just take the easy option and nerf the whole lot because it feels alittle like that /me also signs the "Keep 15 drones" list. -------- |
 Maya Rkell |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:30:00 -
[482]
? Fot LAG. Well, certainly SOME people did. Heh. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
 Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:30:00 -
[483] Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 19:30:47 Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 19:29:53 Tuxford Can we have a more detailed reason why you feel this nerf is need because as you say in the blog
But wont reducing the number of drones in space limit them EVEN MORE, so is this a nerf just for the sake of nerf'ing?. Also adding the new drone would still work if you placed a limit on how many of x type drone you can use at anyone time, ie normal combat drones NO changes, sentry drones max 6 with max skills, Jamming drones max of 3 at anyone time etc etc or did you just take the easy option and nerf the whole lot because it feels alittle like that /me also signs the "Keep 15 drones" list. -------- |
 Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:30:00 -
[484]
? Fot LAG. Well, certainly SOME people did. Heh. //Maya |
 HankMurphy |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:31:00 -
[485] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/10/2005 19:35:31 heh heh heh....  "/gallente dude:  CCP! My Race's ships are in danger of changing, BLAH BLAH BLAH >>insert generic complaint here<< BLAH BLAH BLAH"ha ha ha ROFLOL! "/drone dude: but i trained skills to flavor of the month and your changing the flavor" HOWL! hehehehe LOL! "/gallente dude: I didn't even read the DEV BLOG and I'm conviced I'm quitting the game!" *****Love the changes CCP, keep on keeping it interesting!***** (hank murphy gets inside his duct taped, cardboard tempest and flies away) |
 HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:31:00 -
[486] Edited by: HankMurphy on 31/10/2005 19:35:31 heh heh heh.... "/gallente dude: CCP! My Race's ships are in danger of changing, BLAH BLAH BLAH >>insert generic complaint here<< BLAH BLAH BLAH"ha ha ha ROFLOL! "/drone dude: but i trained skills to flavor of the month and your changing the flavor" HOWL! hehehehe LOL! "/gallente dude: I didn't even read the DEV BLOG and I'm conviced I'm quitting the game!" *****Love the changes CCP, keep on keeping it interesting!***** (hank murphy gets inside his duct taped, cardboard tempest and flies away) |
 Gierling |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:33:00 -
[487] Imho, I think that any case where the "halving" would make an unusable number that you err in favor of an extra drone. Say ships with a 25 drone bay, since 12.5 would be useless just make them 15. And Grimpak, I believe that sentry drones need to be anchored. Which makes a Dominix a portable gatecamp. *snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
Maya Rkell |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:33:00 -
[488]
Duration-limited. Maybe 2s for light, 3 for med, 5 for heavies. Then they need to return and recharge for say 30s. Sequential, not stacked. So you'd get 25s of 1-point disruption with 5 heavies. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:33:00 -
[489]
Duration-limited. Maybe 2s for light, 3 for med, 5 for heavies. Then they need to return and recharge for say 30s. Sequential, not stacked. So you'd get 25s of 1-point disruption with 5 heavies. //Maya |
 Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:33:00 -
[490] Imho, I think that any case where the "halving" would make an unusable number that you err in favor of an extra drone. Say ships with a 25 drone bay, since 12.5 would be useless just make them 15. And Grimpak, I believe that sentry drones need to be anchored. Which makes a Dominix a portable gatecamp. |
Haniblecter Teg |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:34:00 -
[491] **** THAT BLOG~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been pouring time into drone interfacing to get the ability to control 15 at some point (I have 4 base memory) Now, Im just going to get gobs more damage. ****. They better make the contrls work and iron out the bugs or Im going to be one angry droner. Friends Forever |
 Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:34:00 -
[492] **** THAT BLOG~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been pouring time into drone interfacing to get the ability to control 15 at some point (I have 4 base memory) Now, Im just going to get gobs more damage. ****. They better make the contrls work and iron out the bugs or Im going to be one angry droner. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever |
 Bsport |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:35:00 -
[493]
lol 5mill + sp in drone is not a 'flavor of the month', its a very long investment in a very specialised field which i personaly have been investing in since i started the game 2 years ago i believe -------- |
Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:35:00 -
[494]
lol 5mill + sp in drone is not a 'flavor of the month', its a very long investment in a very specialised field which i personaly have been investing in since i started the game 2 years ago i believe -------- |
 Andouus La |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:38:00 -
[495] Ho! yea, lol will need more space in empire. Empire space will get uber cramped up until you have enoth skills to get in low sec if a newb get's ever to low sec space. Ganked, podded oups you dum newb dont go in low sec without all levels to 5 and specialisations. Hash fact, no wining. |
 Andouus La Caldari Doomheim |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:38:00 -
[496] Ho! yea, lol will need more space in empire. Empire space will get uber cramped up until you have enoth skills to get in low sec if a newb get's ever to low sec space. Ganked, podded oups you dum newb dont go in low sec without all levels to 5 and specialisations. Hash fact, no wining. Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
 Haniblecter Teg |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:39:00 -
[497] After thinking about it, I dont mind the changes. But, you MUST make the domi, vexor, ishtar all have bonuses to ALL drone damage. Sure, you replace the # of drones they carry with more damage = the lost drones. But now, that extra damage is only for a specific kind of drone, thermal, which is the most tanked. So really, you're nerfing the gallente drone carriers HARD. Friends Forever |
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:39:00 -
[498] After thinking about it, I dont mind the changes. But, you MUST make the domi, vexor, ishtar all have bonuses to ALL drone damage. Sure, you replace the # of drones they carry with more damage = the lost drones. But now, that extra damage is only for a specific kind of drone, thermal, which is the most tanked. So really, you're nerfing the gallente drone carriers HARD. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever |
Farjung |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:40:00 -
[499] Just been playing with the values in there for the large jamming drones, can someone tell me if my math is off? Chance for one large ECM drone (strength 1.5) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for one cycle (5 seconds): 1.5/21 = 7.1% Chance for at least one of five large ECM drones (strength 1.5 each) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for one cycle (5 seconds): 1 - ((1 - 1.5/21) ^ 5) = 31.0% Chance for at least one of five large ECM drones to jam a megathron at least once in 20 seconds: 1 - ((1 - 1.5/21) ^ 4) = 77.3% Chance for one t2 multispectral with maxed skill (no ship bonus) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for a 20 second cycle: (4.8 * 1.25) / 21 = 28.6% Chance for at least one of two t2 multis with maxed skill (no ship bonus) to jam a megathron for a 20 second cycle: 1 - ((1 - 6/21) ^ 2)= 49.0% Chance for at least one of three t2 multis to jam a megathron for a 20 second cycle: 100 - ((100 - 28.6) ^ 3) = 63.6% I think the above calculations are correct and relevant, but I might be wrong, so if someone could double check that would be great. Some important points to note are that while a successful drone cycle will jam for just 5 seconds, a successful module jam will last the full 20 seconds. Also, the much longer operational range of the multis. And ofc that you're sacrificing the dps you would have got out of having 5 heavy drones there instead. |
 Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:40:00 -
[500] Edited by: Farjung on 31/10/2005 19:51:21 Just been playing with the values in there for the large jamming drones, can someone tell me if my math is off? Chance for one large ECM drone (strength 1.5) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for one cycle (5 seconds): 1.5/21 = 7.1% Chance for at least one of five large ECM drones (strength 1.5 each) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for one cycle (5 seconds): 1 - ((1 - 1.5/21) ^ 5) = 31.0% Chance for at least one of five large ECM drones to jam a megathron at least once in 20 seconds: 1 - ((1 - 0.310) ^ 4) = 77.3% Chance for one t2 multispectral with maxed skill (no ship bonus) to jam a megathron (strength 21) for a 20 second cycle: (4.8 * 1.25) / 21 = 28.6% Chance for at least one of two t2 multis with maxed skill (no ship bonus) to jam a megathron for a 20 second cycle: 1 - ((1 - 6/21) ^ 2)= 49.0% Chance for at least one of three t2 multis to jam a megathron for a 20 second cycle: 1 - ((1 - 6/21) ^ 3) = 63.6% I think the above calculations are correct and relevant, but I might be wrong, so if someone could double check that would be great. Some important points to note are that while a successful drone cycle will jam for just 5 seconds, a successful module jam will last the full 20 seconds. Also, the much longer operational range of the multis. And ofc that you're sacrificing the dps you would have got out of having 5 heavy drones there instead. Wave of Mutilation 2 |
 HankMurphy |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:41:00 -
[501] "lol 5mill + sp in drone is not a 'flavor of the month', its a very long investment in a very specialised field which i personaly have been investing in since i started the game 2 years ago i believe" WOW! It took you 2 years to train your drone skills?  wow, I ALMOST feel bad for you.  (hank murphy goes back to polishing his 1400 II's that didn't work till he hit 25mil SP) |
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:41:00 -
[502] "lol 5mill + sp in drone is not a 'flavor of the month', its a very long investment in a very specialised field which i personaly have been investing in since i started the game 2 years ago i believe" WOW! It took you 2 years to train your drone skills? wow, I ALMOST feel bad for you. (hank murphy goes back to polishing his 1400 II's that didn't work till he hit 25mil SP) |
 Bsport |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:49:00 -
[503]
no sorry i was wrong they only took a 1 day to train for -------- |
Joshua Foiritain |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:49:00 -
[504] Question; What use is the Dominix if the Megathron with half its drone bay can field 5 heavy drones too? [Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:49:00 -
[505] Edited by: Bsport on 31/10/2005 19:49:33
no sorry i was wrong they only took a day to train for -------- |
 Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:49:00 -
[506] Question; What use is the Dominix if the Megathron with half its drone bay can field 5 heavy drones too? [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
 Diana Merris |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:51:00 -
[507]
Good point, they need to drop the requirement down to Drones 1. |
 Diana Merris Minmatar |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:51:00 -
[508]
Good point, they need to drop the requirement down to Drones 1. |
 Ithildin |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:52:00 -
[509] My objections can be summed up neatly: 1. EW drones need only be one size of each, and that should be ought to be slightly larger than medium drones 2. Drones damage is already leaned towards TH/Kin, thus forcing people to use only TH drones is bad. Especially since drones will be getting a speed skill (webber drone skill) to offset the Ogre's current annoyance.
Takes me about 4.5 months to train 5 mill in Drones. Takes a... Amarr (they're low on mem and perc, right?)... about 6 months. Now, don't get me started on Gunnery and other perc/will skills that I've been training the last year and a half (There's a reason my alt, which is one year younger than my main, has soon caught up with Ith) Teleportation device? Used to highjack other's ships? We had one. It was destroyed by friendly fire, though. |
 Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions |
Posted - 2005.10.31 19:52:00 -
[510] My objections can be summed up neatly: 1. EW drones need only be one size of each, and that should be ought to be slightly larger than medium drones 2. Drones damage is already leaned towards TH/Kin, thus forcing people to use only TH drones is bad. Especially since drones will be getting a speed skill (webber drone skill) to offset the Ogre's current annoyance.
Takes me about 4.5 months to train 5 mill in Drones. Takes a... Amarr (they're low on mem and perc, right?)... about 6 months. Now, don't get me started on Gunnery and other perc/will skills that I've been training the last year and a half (There's a reason my alt, which is one year younger than my main, has soon caught up with Ith) - EVE is sick. |
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