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Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [211] Great so now the only advantage of flying a scorp is lost.. another nerf for caldari. Real men, play Rugby
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [212] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: NTRabbit You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them? I know and I explained in my edit. Look above. Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Its a pity that making such racial bonuses for the Amarr and Minmatar is much more difficult, since they dont really have an 'other half' weapon system like Missiles for Caldari and Drones for Gallente. --------
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [213] Originally by: NTRabbit You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them? Except you can atleast change on the fly, us Gallente cant, and you lose 25% dmg, we lose 50%. w00t, see why its such a problem? Same thing to Jim Raynor. I dislike the Caldari kinetic only bonus as it makes them predictable, but atleast you can change dmg. We cant. And thermal damage < Kinetic damage aswell
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [214] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: NTRabbit You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them? I know and I explained in my edit. Look above. Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Its a pity that making such racial bonuses for the Amarr and Minmatar is much more difficult, since they dont really have an 'other half' weapon system like Missiles for Caldari and Drones for Gallente. ------
Jim Steele Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [215] Great so now the only advantage of flying a scorp is lost.. another nerf for caldari. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:20:00 - [216] Just noticed that the Domi's bonus only appliec for Thremal damage. Not so good. In fact DEFINETLY not good. Domi might have gotten seriously nerfed. Oh well, I'll manage. With the new drone skills and modules, not to mention EWAR drones, I should be able to overcome that fact that Domi's firepower is only equal to 10 droens now if not using Thermal. And this allso helps ships with small drone bays. I'm just worried about a couple of things: 1)Gallente are the drone race. If no ship can use more thn 5 drones, the advantage of large drone bays is lost and Gallente will kinda suck. 2)Some small ships have only enough room for 1 light drone, and Many ships can onyl use 3 or 5. Does the halving of drone bays mean thta they'll now hav room for 0.5 or 1.5 drones? What do I do with half of a drone? My suggestion is to give many gallente ships a static drone bonus (like the special ability of pirate faction ships) and round up the sdrone bay of ships that would have X.5m^3 drone bay so that they woudl have eighter X or X+1m^3(if X is 0).
Jon Xylur Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:20:00 - [217] Just noticed that the Domi's bonus only appliec for Thremal damage. Not so good. In fact DEFINETLY not good. Domi might have gotten seriously nerfed. Oh well, I'll manage. With the new drone skills and modules, not to mention EWAR drones, I should be able to overcome that fact that Domi's firepower is only equal to 10 droens now if not using Thermal. And this allso helps ships with small drone bays. I'm just worried about a couple of things: 1)Gallente are the drone race. If no ship can use more thn 5 drones, the advantage of large drone bays is lost and Gallente will kinda suck. 2)Some small ships have only enough room for 1 light drone, and Many ships can onyl use 3 or 5. Does the halving of drone bays mean thta they'll now hav room for 0.5 or 1.5 drones? What do I do with half of a drone? My suggestion is to give many gallente ships a static drone bonus (like the special ability of pirate faction ships) and round up the sdrone bay of ships that would have X.5m^3 drone bay so that they woudl have eighter X or X+1m^3(if X is 0). Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:21:00 - [218] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 16:22:30 Originally by: NTRabbit its not exactly feasible to carry workable numbers of 8 different missile types - 4 of each damage, normal and FoF - in the average Caldari cargobay. You can carry atleast 2, if not three diffrent types. Gallente can carry 1. Plus whether people use 5 or 15 drones, itll still lag in blob warfare. People will always use drones to generate lag during these fights. In solo and small engagements drones never cause lag, well perhaps on computers that are running on crappy connections. Plus carriers are gonna look silly with 5 drones In the end however all this will do is reduce the number of combat drones youll see to near 0. Everyone will be flying around with EW drones. A fully tanked Domi with a full rank of guns and 5 tracking disruptors sounds interesting. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:21:00 - [219] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 16:22:30 Originally by: NTRabbit its not exactly feasible to carry workable numbers of 8 different missile types - 4 of each damage, normal and FoF - in the average Caldari cargobay. You can carry atleast 2, if not three diffrent types. Gallente can carry 1. Plus whether people use 5 or 15 drones, itll still lag in blob warfare. People will always use drones to generate lag during these fights. In solo and small engagements drones never cause lag, well perhaps on computers that are running on crappy connections. Plus carriers are gonna look silly with 5 drones In the end however all this will do is reduce the number of combat drones youll see to near 0. Everyone will be flying around with EW drones. A fully tanked Domi with a full rank of guns and 5 tracking disruptors sounds interesting. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:22:00 - [220] Edited by: Luc Boye on 31/10/2005 16:22:27 Originally by: Jim Raynor Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE. I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks. Not really champ. Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. Ishtar has 20 drones in bay and can release 15. So your dmg type choice is fixed, unless you consider redocking and swapping drones between 2 engagements an option. If I put 5 of each type in drone bay, my choice of dmg type is still worse then cerb simply reloading the right missile type.

Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:22:00 - [221] Edited by: Luc Boye on 31/10/2005 16:22:27 Originally by: Jim Raynor Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE. I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks. Not really champ. Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. Ishtar has 20 drones in bay and can release 15. So your dmg type choice is fixed, unless you consider redocking and swapping drones between 2 engagements an option. If I put 5 of each type in drone bay, my choice of dmg type is still worse then cerb simply reloading the right missile type. ---
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:26:00 - [222] Originally by: Luc Boye Edited by: Luc Boye on 31/10/2005 16:22:27 Originally by: Jim Raynor Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE. I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks. Not really champ. Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. Ishtar has 20 drones in bay and can release 15. So your dmg type choice is fixed, unless you consider redocking and swapping drones between 2 engagements an option. If I put 5 of each type in drone bay, my choice of dmg type is still worse then cerb simply reloading the right missile type. Please fly a Cerberus before commenting.. this isn't the thread to discuss it but trust me with 40 CPU BCU II, good luck on even reaching 300 DPS (using scourge) on that ship with max skills.. it's hard. Most everyone uses Beserkers on Ishtars anyways so it's irrelevant on the magical "switching dmg types" argument, so why even go there. ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Jim Raynor Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:26:00 - [223] Originally by: Luc Boye Edited by: Luc Boye on 31/10/2005 16:22:27 Originally by: Jim Raynor Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE. I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks. Not really champ. Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. Ishtar has 20 drones in bay and can release 15. So your dmg type choice is fixed, unless you consider redocking and swapping drones between 2 engagements an option. If I put 5 of each type in drone bay, my choice of dmg type is still worse then cerb simply reloading the right missile type. Please fly a Cerberus before commenting.. this isn't the thread to discuss it but trust me with 40 CPU BCU II, good luck on even reaching 300 DPS (using scourge) on that ship with max skills.. it's hard. Most everyone uses Beserkers on Ishtars anyways so it's irrelevant on the magical "switching dmg types" argument, so why even go there. ------ I'll make a sig later.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:27:00 - [224] Originally by: Berneh You will never take me aliv coppers
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:27:00 - [225] Originally by: Luc Boye Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. You do realise that 400 heavy missiles is just a shade over one complete reload for a cerberus? --------
Ikvar I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:27:00 - [226]
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:27:00 - [227] Edited by: NTRabbit on 31/10/2005 16:28:45 Originally by: Luc Boye Cerberus has 400 missiles of each type in his hold. It can spam any type of damage with all launchers after switching ammo. You do realise that 400 heavy missiles is just a shade over one complete reload for a cerberus? That means that you essentially get to fire one full barrage of a single missile type, and then need to dock if you want more. Unless you had that set loaded in the launchers too, then you get 2 full cycles. ------
Jarran Amordivino	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:28:00 - [228] i want to be able to use shield & armor repairing drones on my cerberus.
Jarran Amordivino	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:28:00 - [229] i want to be able to use shield & armor repairing drones on my cerberus.
Forsch	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:29:00 - [230] Originally by: NTRabbit Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Exactely my point. Not all Caldari missile ships have a Kinetic bonus (Raven, Hawk for instance). While the Arbi is pretty much the only way to do other dmg than em/thermal for Amarr. Using other but EM drones would be something like only using 10 out of 15 drones atm. Same thing for Gallente, just a little worse because they are used to very dmg types with more than 1 ship. I think racial damage boni are a bad idea. Especially with t2 ships that are setup exactely to counter this dmg. The Auctoritan Syndicate Defenders of the Empire - Curatores Veritatis Alliance

Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:29:00 - [231] Edited by: Forsch on 31/10/2005 16:30:56 Originally by: NTRabbit Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Exactely my point. Not all Caldari missile ships have a Kinetic bonus (Raven, Hawk for instance). While the Arbi is pretty much the only way to do other dmg than em/thermal for Amarr. Using other but EM drones would be something like only using 10 out of 15 drones atm. Same thing for Gallente, just a little worse because they are used to vary dmg types with more than 1 ship. I think racial damage boni are a bad idea. Especially with t2 ships that are setup exactely to counter this dmg. Forsch Defender of the empire What have you done CCP..
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:29:00 - [232] "Plus carriers are gonna look silly with 5 drones " Well, maybe carriers will be the only ships to get the drone control bonus, now ^^
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:30:00 - [233] Ohmygod, i leave for 3 hours and all hell breaks loose. Bad tux. Single-damage-type bonuses suck... sweaty simian reproductive organs >.>;; Ive said about caldari ships, and about the missile frigs, and the (lol) helios, and now ill say it about all the droneships. Please god no no no no, dont do the "we'll limit you to one damage type kthnx" game. Get rid of them on drone ships, get rid of them on all ships. And yes, -50% is even worse than 25% dmg bonus to one missile type. I didnt think you could thinkup a worse bonus, but you did. Well done, its downright horrible :P I'll say it again cause im annoying, please get rid of all single-damage-type bonuses on missile and drone ships and replace them with general damage bonuses. The 50% dps nerf to the ishtar is bad enough. And i dont even fly one. ---------------- Boost T2 Plate HP!
Lady Chiron	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:32:00 - [234] Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. [Edit] If your worry is that people will have to many of the new drones out at once, make them take up more space in the drone bay, or else limit the number of those you are specifically worried about. But please leave normal combat and miner drones as they are.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:32:00 - [235] Edited by: Nafri on 31/10/2005 16:32:14 Originally by: keepiru Ohmygod, i leave for 3 hours and all hell breaks loose. Bad tux. Single-damage-type bonuses suck... sweaty simian reproductive organs >.>;; Ive said about caldari ships, and about the missile frigs, and the (lol) helios, and now ill say it about all the droneships. Please god no no no no, dont do the "we'll limit you to one damage type kthnx" game. Get rid of them on drone ships, get rid of them on all ships. And yes, -50% is even worse than 25% dmg bonus to one missile type. I didnt think you could thinkup a worse bonus, but you did. Well done, its downright horrible :P I'll say it again cause im annoying, please get rid of all single-damage-type bonuses on missile and drone ships and replace them with general damage bonuses. The 50% dps nerf to the ishtar is bad enough. And i dont even fly one. Ishtar wont get -50% damage with thermal drones its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:32:00 - [236] Edited by: Nafri on 31/10/2005 16:32:14 Originally by: keepiru Ohmygod, i leave for 3 hours and all hell breaks loose. Bad tux. Single-damage-type bonuses suck... sweaty simian reproductive organs >.>;; Ive said about caldari ships, and about the missile frigs, and the (lol) helios, and now ill say it about all the droneships. Please god no no no no, dont do the "we'll limit you to one damage type kthnx" game. Get rid of them on drone ships, get rid of them on all ships. And yes, -50% is even worse than 25% dmg bonus to one missile type. I didnt think you could thinkup a worse bonus, but you did. Well done, its downright horrible :P I'll say it again cause im annoying, please get rid of all single-damage-type bonuses on missile and drone ships and replace them with general damage bonuses. The 50% dps nerf to the ishtar is bad enough. And i dont even fly one. Ishtar wont get -50% damage with thermal drones its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari From Dusk till Dawn
Lady Chiron Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:32:00 - [237] Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:54:50 Edited by: Lady Chiron on 31/10/2005 16:33:59 Ok I would just like to say you just slaughtered the main advantage of any ship with a drone control bonus. True you will now have more powerful drones, however people like drones for there numbers. It was honestly the main reason I use Gallente ships is because of the drone bonus. People enjoy controlling 10 drones normally, or 15 on a Vexor, Dominix, Arbiter(Did I spell that right?) and 35 on a Moros. You also killed the Moros main defensive option against small vessels. [Edit] If your worry is that people will have to many of the new drones out at once, make them take up more space in the drone bay, or else limit the number of those you are specifically worried about. But please leave normal combat and miner drones as they are, as well as drone bay sizes. -------------------------------- I am Lady Chiron Recruiting Officer, Dark Orion SW Believe in yourself and create your own destiny. Do not fear fate.
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:33:00 - [238] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: NTRabbit Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Exactely my point. Not all Caldari missile ships have a Kinetic bonus (Raven, Hawk for instance). While the Arbi is pretty much the only way to do other dmg than em/thermal for Amarr. Using other but EM drones would be something like only using 10 out of 15 drones atm. Same thing for Gallente, just a little worse because they are used to very dmg types with more than 1 ship. I think racial damage boni are a bad idea. Especially with t2 ships that are setup exactely to counter this dmg. A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. --------
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:33:00 - [239] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: NTRabbit Which means it works exactly the same as it does for all the Caldari missile ships that have Kinetic-only bonuses. Exactely my point. Not all Caldari missile ships have a Kinetic bonus (Raven, Hawk for instance). While the Arbi is pretty much the only way to do other dmg than em/thermal for Amarr. Using other but EM drones would be something like only using 10 out of 15 drones atm. Same thing for Gallente, just a little worse because they are used to very dmg types with more than 1 ship. I think racial damage boni are a bad idea. Especially with t2 ships that are setup exactely to counter this dmg. A small note - the Caldari missile ships with Kinetic bonuses are the only caldari ships with damage bonuses at all, and missiles are the only way for most caldari ships to do any damage other than Kinetic and Thermal at all. I dont like the racial bonuses too much either, but like I said - if one has to wear it (like the Caldari have for months) then all have to. ------
Bsport	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:35:00 - [240] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong however its not like most poeple have invested that amount of skills points Also its no difference that assigning weapons to different targets --------



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