duration | falloff | range | strength 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 1.5 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.65 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.3 |
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 duration | falloff | range | targ range mult | scan res mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | max range mult | tracking mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | sig radius bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 20 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 8 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 4 |
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 duration | range | speed bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | -40 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | -20 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | -10 |
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 duration | range | energy trans 
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large | 6 | 10 000 | 30 |
medium | 6 | 7 500 | 12 |
small | 6 | 5 000 | 6 |
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 duration | opt range | falloff | tracking
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amarr | 2 | 30 000 | 10 000 | 0.016 |
caldari | 2 | 50 000 | 25 000 | 0.010 |
gallente | 2 | 20 000 | 10 000 | 0.030 |
minmatar | 2 | 40 000 | 35 000 | 0.010 |
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 damage mult | damage (50) 
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amarr | 1.3 | Em |
caldari | 1.2 | Kinetic |
gallente | 1.6 | Thermal |
minmatar | 1.4 | Explosive |
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 duration | range | armor repair 
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large | 10 | 10 000 | 120 |
medium | 10 | 7 500 | 48 |
small | 10 | 5 000 | 24 |
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 duration | range | shield boost 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 60 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 24 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 12 |
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 duration | falloff | range | strength 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 1.5 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.65 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.3 |
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 duration | falloff | range | targ range mult | scan res mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | max range mult | tracking mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | sig radius bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 20 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 8 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 4 |
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 duration | range | speed bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | -40 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | -20 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | -10 |
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 duration | range | energy trans 
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large | 6 | 10 000 | 25 |
medium | 6 | 7 500 | 10 |
small | 6 | 5 000 | 5 |
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 duration | opt range | falloff | tracking
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amarr | 4 | 30 000 | 10 000 | 0.016 |
caldari | 4 | 50 000 | 25 000 | 0.010 |
gallente | 4 | 20 000 | 10 000 | 0.030 |
minmatar | 4 | 40 000 | 35 000 | 0.010 |
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 damage mult | damage (50) 
 ----------------------------
amarr | 1.3 | Em |
caldari | 1.2 | Kinetic |
gallente | 1.6 | Thermal |
minmatar | 1.4 | Explosive |
 ----------------------------

 duration | range | armor repair 
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large | 10 | 10 000 | 120 |
medium | 10 | 7 500 | 48 |
small | 10 | 5 000 | 24 |
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 duration | range | shield boost 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 60 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 24 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 12 |
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Originally by: Jon Xylur

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Wooh! Domi's gonna rock now! Thank you CCP! No Gallente pilot will whine about the nerfing of the Rax anymore. Gankageddon beware, here comes Uberdomi!

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Originally by: Jon Xylur

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Wooh! Domi's gonna rock now! Thank you CCP! No Gallente pilot will whine about the nerfing of the Rax anymore. Gankageddon beware, here comes Uberdomi!

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Originally by: Pirahna Joe

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Originally by: Jon Xylur

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Wooh! Domi's gonna rock now! Thank you CCP! No Gallente pilot will whine about the nerfing of the Rax anymore. Gankageddon beware, here comes Uberdomi!

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Uberdomi with 5 Drones ! LOL go reqd dev blog before wet your self

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Originally by: Pirahna Joe

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Originally by: Jon Xylur

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Wooh! Domi's gonna rock now! Thank you CCP! No Gallente pilot will whine about the nerfing of the Rax anymore. Gankageddon beware, here comes Uberdomi!

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Uberdomi with 5 Drones ! LOL go reqd dev blog before wet your self

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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Quote:

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...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****.
-CYVOK-

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Originally by: TomB

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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6+ EW drones is hax

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Originally by: TomB

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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6+ EW drones is hax

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah?

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah?

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Originally by: Tuxford

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As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Illana Ellest

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One ship that seems to have ben missed out here is the Ishkur, I can't see any mention of it. Will its Drone bay size bonus stay teh same even if it can only use 5 drones at once? or will it be given a static drone bay and a drone thermal bonus like the dominix and Ishtar? On the whole, some interesting things to think about, although this could spell disaster for domi/ishtar pilots if not done properly.

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Originally by: Illana Ellest

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One ship that seems to have ben missed out here is the Ishkur, I can't see any mention of it. Will its Drone bay size bonus stay teh same even if it can only use 5 drones at once? or will it be given a static drone bay and a drone thermal bonus like the dominix and Ishtar? On the whole, some interesting things to think about, although this could spell disaster for domi/ishtar pilots if not done properly.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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You can start by reading the blog.

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Originally by: Blog

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You are now limited to 5 drones per ship so all the ships can't really be using all kinds of EWAR.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Blog

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One drone won't be as effective as a single module and you would need several modules to actually get the same results as a single module does.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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You can start by reading the blog.

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Originally by: Blog

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You are now limited to 5 drones per ship so all the ships can't really be using all kinds of EWAR.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Blog

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One drone won't be as effective as a single module and you would need several modules to actually get the same results as a single module does.

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Originally by: Jin Entres

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Wow, quite the changes aren't they?

I'm only worried about one thing - damage type. Before you could choose the type of damage you carried with drones, now with bonuses only to one type (and thermal of all which is the most tanked type) the versatility of drones effectively drops.

Otherwise, these changes look mostly good, although a lot of testing will need to be had, of course

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Originally by: Demon Johnson

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Edited by: Demon Johnson on 31/10/2005 14:50:26
They said all drone bays will be reduced. So a Domi might be able to hold 7 drones or so max.

EDIT: Ah, found it in the blog: "# Drone bays reduced to half of what they are today"

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Originally by: Jin Entres

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Wow, quite the changes aren't they?

I'm only worried about one thing - damage type. Before you could choose the type of damage you carried with drones, now with bonuses only to one type (and thermal of all which is the most tanked type) the versatility of drones effectively drops.

Otherwise, these changes look mostly good, although a lot of testing will need to be had, of course

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Originally by: Demon Johnson

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Edited by: Demon Johnson on 31/10/2005 14:50:26
They said all drone bays will be reduced. So a Domi might be able to hold 7 drones or so max.

EDIT: Ah, found it in the blog: "# Drone bays reduced to half of what they are today"

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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You can start by reading the blog.

As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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You can start by reading the blog.

As it is now 5 heavy ewar drones are not even as effective a single EWAR drone module, I fail to see how that will make drone ships totally overpowered. Also drones have the tendancy to die and when they do they're not very useful at all.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic?

The dominix will benefit from it greatly however, as it can carry a wide range of drones. The ishtar can too of course, but it has zero dmg output other than its drones, unlike the dominix, which can use 6 large guns. The ishtar can use 3 medium. w00t. Thats the ishtar effectively nerfed to buggery.

Heres a proposal, tweak the numbers but keep the dominix/ishtar/vexor/arb +1 drone control, so they can field 10 drones. They are still the drone carriers after all. Atleast give them some more flexibility in what they can field. 5 drones with a thermal dmg bonus is ghey. Change it to a 5% drone dmg bonus if you really have to. Dont limit them to 1 dmg type

I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic?

The dominix will benefit from it greatly however, as it can carry a wide range of drones. The ishtar can too of course, but it has zero dmg output other than its drones, unlike the dominix, which can use 6 large guns. The ishtar can use 3 medium. w00t. Thats the ishtar effectively nerfed to buggery.

Heres a proposal, tweak the numbers but keep the dominix/ishtar/vexor/arb +1 drone control, so they can field 10 drones. They are still the drone carriers after all. Atleast give them some more flexibility in what they can field. 5 drones with a thermal dmg bonus is ghey. Change it to a 5% drone dmg bonus if you really have to. Dont limit them to 1 dmg type

I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic?

...

I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic?

...

I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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There is supposed to be, at least according to the description and other stuff I've looked at.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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There is supposed to be, at least according to the description and other stuff I've looked at.

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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Have these been tested? I haven't been there in a while, but it seems like this change deserves it more than any other in my playtime

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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Have these been tested? I haven't been there in a while, but it seems like this change deserves it more than any other in my playtime

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Originally by: Nafri

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Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS...

that is totally tanked and with EW in mids...


sorry, but are you insane to complain?

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Originally by: Nafri

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Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS...

that is totally tanked and with EW in mids...


sorry, but are you insane to complain?

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Didn't miss it. I just didn't do them. The problem is the simple way that propulsion jamming works, it's impossible to make them without making them overpowered.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Didn't miss it. I just didn't do them. The problem is the simple way that propulsion jamming works, it's impossible to make them without making them overpowered.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Originally by: Nafri

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Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS...

that is totally tanked and with EW in mids...


sorry, but are you insane to complain?

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My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good.

With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage.

Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good)

Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is

Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Originally by: Nafri

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Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS...

that is totally tanked and with EW in mids...


sorry, but are you insane to complain?

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My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good.

With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage.

Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good)

Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is

Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them

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Originally by: Farjung

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Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct?

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Originally by: Farjung

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Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct?

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Originally by: Bsport

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feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones.

again same as the others,

first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it,

I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call

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Originally by: Bsport

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feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones.

again same as the others,

first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it,

I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call

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Originally by: Nafri

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Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus *g*

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Originally by: Nafri

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and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game...

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Originally by: Nafri

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Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus *g*

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Originally by: Nafri

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and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game...

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Originally by: JP Beauregard

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The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Originally by: Nafri

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Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus *g*

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Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt.

Originally by: Nafri

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and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game...

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Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar

BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out

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Originally by: mEsSiAh II

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Are the devs planning to release drone bay expanders with it? since caldari ships can't put 5 large drones into space.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:57:53
Curious about sentry drones;

Will they work like sentry turrets? Ie you drop em somewhere and thell just sit there and shoot random stuff untill they die or do you actually have to stay near them to order them?

It sounds rather overpowered if its the first option, it sounds rather useless if its the 2nd

Edit:
Back onto the subject of drone carriers. Why not remove the currently useless bonus (Ie the Turret Damage bonus on the ishtar, with its 3 turret slots...) and replace that with some form of drone bonus too. Perhaps give it a 2nd bonus to a diffrent damage type?

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:57:53
Curious about sentry drones;

Will they work like sentry turrets? Ie you drop em somewhere and thell just sit there and shoot random stuff untill they die or do you actually have to stay near them to order them?

It sounds rather overpowered if its the first option, it sounds rather useless if its the 2nd

Edit:
Back onto the subject of drone carriers. Why not remove the currently useless bonus (Ie the Turret Damage bonus on the ishtar, with its 3 turret slots...) and replace that with some form of drone bonus too. Perhaps give it a 2nd bonus to a diffrent damage type?

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:46:01

Thermal Damage Bonus? Whoohoo @ being forced to use 1 single drone type and thus being 100% predicable in PVP. Not to mention that Gallente actually have the crappiest drones ingame, to damn slow to do anything.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:46:01

Thermal Damage Bonus? Whoohoo @ being forced to use 1 single drone type and thus being 100% predicable in PVP. Not to mention that Gallente actually have the crappiest drones ingame, to damn slow to do anything.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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# Drone control bonus of Dominx gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonuses of Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonus of Arbitrator gets changed to 10% EM drone damage per level

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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# Drone control bonus of Dominx gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonuses of Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonus of Arbitrator gets changed to 10% EM drone damage per level

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Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: Tuxford

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# Drone control bonus of Dominx gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonuses of Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonus of Arbitrator gets changed to 10% EM drone damage per level

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This kinda removes the unique aspect that drones currently have.
While Caldari and Minmatar always have the advantage to choose dmg type freely, best matching their enemy's weakness, for Amarr and Gallente drones were the only (apart from the occasional launcher hp) way to choose damage type.
I experience it almost daily in our war against the Minmatar. Trying to go against their t2 ships with lasers is (while possible) all but effective. That's why I love the arbitrator. Can drop their shields with lasers and then go for their weakness with explosive drones. I'd be really disappointed if this only way to do other than em/thermal dmg would be removed.

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Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: Tuxford

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# Drone control bonus of Dominx gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonuses of Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar gets changed to 10% drone thermal damage per level
# Drone control bonus of Arbitrator gets changed to 10% EM drone damage per level

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This kinda removes the unique aspect that drones currently have.
While Caldari and Minmatar always have the advantage to choose dmg type freely, best matching their enemy's weakness, for Amarr and Gallente drones were the only (apart from the occasional launcher hp) way to choose damage type.
I experience it almost daily in our war against the Minmatar. Trying to go against their t2 ships with lasers is (while possible) all but effective. That's why I love the arbitrator. Can drop their shields with lasers and then go for their weakness with explosive drones. I'd be really disappointed if this only way to do other than em/thermal dmg would be removed.

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 16:13:03

Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

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Actually single damage bonuses have always been a stupid idea, though im to lazy to complain about it for you, i never use Caldari ships anyway.

Plus theres a slight diffrence, you can switch damage in combat, youll lose the bonus but atleast you can switch damage. Gallente wont be able to do, theyll have to crawl back to a station to switch their damage type.

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 16:13:03

Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

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Actually single damage bonuses have always been a stupid idea, though im to lazy to complain about it for you, i never use Caldari ships anyway.

Plus theres a slight diffrence, you can switch damage in combat, youll lose the bonus but atleast you can switch damage. Gallente wont be able to do, theyll have to crawl back to a station to switch their damage type.

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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Originally by: Istmar Hi'ma

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Edited by: Istmar Hi''ma on 31/10/2005 14:35:07
Tuxford, what in Tomb's hell are you doing? These new drones will make Gals the end all of ships period. Sure other ship can use drones, but not as effective as a Gal ship.

The Domi is already the "Do Almost Everything Ship," now (with these changes) it really will be the "Do Everything Ship."

Oh man, just think of the Moa with its +5 drone bonus...The end of Eve is at hand!

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Originally by: Istmar Hi'ma

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Edited by: Istmar Hi''ma on 31/10/2005 14:35:07
Tuxford, what in Tomb's hell are you doing? These new drones will make Gals the end all of ships period. Sure other ship can use drones, but not as effective as a Gal ship.

The Domi is already the "Do Almost Everything Ship," now (with these changes) it really will be the "Do Everything Ship."

Oh man, just think of the Moa with its +5 drone bonus...The end of Eve is at hand!

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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I know and I explained in my edit. Look above.

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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Originally by: Forsch

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them?

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I know and I explained in my edit. Look above.

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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its not exactly feasible to carry workable numbers of 8 different missile types - 4 of each damage, normal and FoF - in the average Caldari cargobay.

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Originally by: NTRabbit

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its not exactly feasible to carry workable numbers of 8 different missile types - 4 of each damage, normal and FoF - in the average Caldari cargobay.

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks.

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Originally by: Jim Raynor

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Hilarious how all you guys say that giving Caldari ships with a Kinetic Missile Damage bonus a bonus to all damage types would be insanely unfair, but now CCP slaps the same restraint on Gallante ships and everyones looking to call in the WAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

I think these changes are good, one of my biggest complaints about the kinetic only damage bonus for Caldari was the fact a ship like the Ishtar could do even more DPS than a scourge spewing Cerberus + choose any damage type on top of that.. and run a powerful tank setup.... and electronic warfare........ and nosferatu........ ya that's a real balanced ship right there folks.

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