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Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:41:00 - [151] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Nafri Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS... that is totally tanked and with EW in mids... sorry, but are you insane to complain? My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good. With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage. Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good) Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g ahh, finally judgement day, and one day the amarr will suffer a bit too and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:41:00 - [152] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Nafri Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS... that is totally tanked and with EW in mids... sorry, but are you insane to complain? My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good. With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage. Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good) Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g ahh, finally judgement day, and one day the amarr will suffer a bit too and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... From Dusk till Dawn
Bsport Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:41:00 - [153] feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call --------
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [154] You have no idea how happy this makes me. [23]
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [155] Originally by: Farjung Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct? Thats the way i read it m8 yeah. If this is correct the dual 250 gank domi is gonna be pretty uber, or the situation you described. Problem is, the ishtar will be screwed as it can only carry 5 heavy drones under this system. 5 ogres is gonna suck, regardless of their dmg output My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [156] Originally by: Farjung Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct? Thats the way i read it m8 yeah. If this is correct the dual 250 gank domi is gonna be pretty uber, or the situation you described. Problem is, the ishtar will be screwed as it can only carry 5 heavy drones under this system. 5 ogres is gonna suck, regardless of their dmg output
Discorporation Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [157] You have no idea how happy this makes me.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:44:00 - [158] Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put your panties on your head!
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:44:00 - [159] Originally by: Bsport feel alittle sick atm, thanks to the 5 mill skill points in drones. again same as the others, first half brillant of the blog, second half not feeling to good because of it, I personly dont like the reducion in drones numbers . it realy limits them. atm i use 15 drones assigned into 3 groups of 5 this allows me to split the damage to a few targets if needs be, with the new system its not very flexable and also limits damage type, so i'm sorry this is a real real bad call thats probably one reason of the change, big numbers of drones were just too strong From Dusk till Dawn
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:45:00 - [160] Some points: - Comparison with Caldari and kinetic missiles isn't quite that straightforward. Even the drone carrier ships are very limited to the number of drones they can carry, especially after this change with drone bays cut in half. Effect: you cannot switch damage types even if you wanted to, since you simply don't have the drone space to hold all the extra drones. Last I checked, Caldari missile boats could quite enough missiles of each type, and can easily switch to what suits the situation. - I hope drone speeds are being lookewd at. If I'm in a Dom and only have 5 in the air (as does everyone else) and they are pretty much my only weapon, I really hope they can at least get to target on time. Also, please test with light drones and interceptors & fast frigates -- last I checked, light drones weren't able to hit at all, making them useless. In addition, their damage is crappy but that's secondary since they aren't managing to catch their primary target type. Maybe on paper they do, but feel free to launch some lights vs. an inty orbiting at 10-15km. Suggestion: - increase drone speeds a bit - change gallente ship bonus form thermal damage bonus to somethine less limiting, ideally something that would keep the Gallente "drone user" identity
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:45:00 - [161] Some points: - Comparison with Caldari and kinetic missiles isn't quite that straightforward. Even the drone carrier ships are very limited to the number of drones they can carry, especially after this change with drone bays cut in half. Effect: you cannot switch damage types even if you wanted to, since you simply don't have the drone space to hold all the extra drones. Last I checked, Caldari missile boats could quite enough missiles of each type, and can easily switch to what suits the situation. - I hope drone speeds are being lookewd at. If I'm in a Dom and only have 5 in the air (as does everyone else) and they are pretty much my only weapon, I really hope they can at least get to target on time. Also, please test with light drones and interceptors & fast frigates -- last I checked, light drones weren't able to hit at all, making them useless. In addition, their damage is crappy but that's secondary since they aren't managing to catch their primary target type. Maybe on paper they do, but feel free to launch some lights vs. an inty orbiting at 10-15km. Suggestion: - increase drone speeds a bit - change gallente ship bonus form thermal damage bonus to somethine less limiting, ideally something that would keep the Gallente "drone user" identity
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [162] Originally by: Nafri Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt. Originally by: Nafri and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out My Latest Vid: Linky
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [163] OK I read the blog and the 1st page. So what comes to my mind is the Raven ... a mix of tracking disruptor drones and painter drones and well we are good again :-) Second thought, fit a smartbomb ... ALWAYS. ------------------------------ If stupidity could bloom, these forums would be all flowers ...
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [164] So 5 is the magic number. Most other ships can carry five drones. now the gallente doesnt have there drones adavatage anymore. Y dont u limit the mid slots from the caldria or Take away cap or pg the amarr. Or Slow the minimnatar down. It dont like this idea anymore this is bull** nerfing. 1. Q will carriers only be able to launch 5 drones lol they will be a joke now Im sry im so Personaly but just devoted alot of time to my ishkur ________________________________________________ Pls Dont Flame Me Cuz I DONT Give A ** Demons of Razgis
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [165] Originally by: Nafri Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt. Originally by: Nafri and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out
Meeko Gloom Gallente Gallente Republic	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [166] So 5 is the magic number. Most other ships can carry five drones. now the gallente doesnt have there drones adavatage anymore. Y dont u limit the mid slots from the caldria or Take away cap or pg the amarr. Or Slow the minimnatar down. It dont like this idea anymore this is bull**** nerfing. 1. Q will carriers only be able to launch 5 drones lol they will be a joke now Im sry im so Personaly but just devoted alot of time to my ishkur -------------------------- 100% PvPer Looking for a corp Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [167] OK I read the blog and the 1st page. So what comes to my mind is the Raven ... a mix of tracking disruptor drones and painter drones and well we are good again :-) Second thought, fit a smartbomb ... ALWAYS. Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:48:00 - [168] Which reminds me, with less drones in the air they will need to be A LOT faster and their MWDing needs to be fixed. More then half the time they simply dont active their mwd, preventing them from catching up even with ships that arent moving. On a side note, this is an interesting change for t2 drones since youll now need less of them. Drone builder wise theyre screwed of course, as the sales just got cut down to 33% ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:48:00 - [169] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:51:31 Which reminds me, with less drones in the air they will need to be A LOT faster and their MWDing needs to be fixed. More then half the time they simply dont active their mwd, preventing them from catching up even with ships that arent moving. On a side note, this is an interesting change for t2 drones since youll now need less of them. Drone builder wise theyre screwed of course, as the sales just got cut down to 33% The thermal bonus only pretty much removes the special part of drone carriers. Using Thermal drones on Gallente ships is one of the most stupid things one can do. I always use explosive drones, because my guns dont do that damage type and switching to thermal is not an option, theyre too slow and too preditable. Result; Dominix becomes just another battleship that can launch 5 drones. Please change it to a bonus to damage output in general, not one damage type. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
mEsSiAh II	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:49:00 - [170] Are the devs planning to release drone bay expanders with it? since caldari ships can't put 5 large drones into space.
mEsSiAh II Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:49:00 - [171] Are the devs planning to release drone bay expanders with it? since caldari ships can't put 5 large drones into space.
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:52:00 - [172] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Nafri Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt. Originally by: Nafri and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out Vagabund has one role: Speed, not much else to do with it Matari can choose damage types, but you loose damage (10% less on EMP, 10% less on others, only our long range ammo does more damage) Caldari have a single damage type bonus as well, kinetic.. not really a good bonus :D 5/5/5, thats nos + EW + tank, probably the clostest to a solo pwn mobile like oveur always says... Its just now you can for killing ishtars a bit better then before, where you were normally screwed in nearly every hip when you saw one in space From Dusk till Dawn
PsychoBitch Playboy Enterprises	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:52:00 - [173] I don't think I like the idea of less drones for the gal ships. Psycho***** Chnnl: PLAYBOY E-ml: [email protected]
Meeko Gloom Gallente Gallente Republic	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:53:00 - [174] Originally by: mEsSiAh II Are the devs planning to release drone bay expanders with it? since caldari ships can't put 5 large drones into space. I like that idea -------------------------- 100% PvPer Looking for a corp Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:54:00 - [175] "So 5 is the magic number. Most other ships can carry five drones." Since drone bay sizes are being halved, plenty ship won't be able to do that anymore... and even these few which do, won't have any room left for the spares.
Robet Katrix Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:54:00 - [176] you just said that warp scrambling drones would be overpowered, but this game is in serious need of a longer range warp scrambler. I personally think they would be far more important, but not as effective. if your throwing out mini-NOS drones, why not scramblers.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:54:00 - [177] "So 5 is the magic number. Most other ships can carry five drones." Since drone bay sizes are being halved, plenty ship won't be able to do that anymore... and even these few which do, won't have any room left for the spares.
Vanye	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:55:00 - [178] Will the logistic ship dronebays be looked at? If they stay the same (or even get cut in half) there aren't many reasons left to train for them when the Dominix does the job that much better.
Vanye Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:55:00 - [179] Will the logistic ship dronebays be looked at? If they stay the same (or even get cut in half) there aren't many reasons left to train for them when the Dominix does the job that much better.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:56:00 - [180] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:57:53 Curious about sentry drones; Will they work like sentry turrets? Ie you drop em somewhere and thell just sit there and shoot random stuff untill they die or do you actually have to stay near them to order them? It sounds rather overpowered if its the first option, it sounds rather useless if its the 2nd Edit: Back onto the subject of drone carriers. Why not remove the currently useless bonus (Ie the Turret Damage bonus on the ishtar, with its 3 turret slots...) and replace that with some form of drone bonus too. Perhaps give it a 2nd bonus to a diffrent damage type? ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

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