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TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.11.03 08:37:00 - [1951] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 03/11/2005 08:42:58 CBA to argue, everyone just bend over and accept it, it is happening whether the subscribers like it or not. ------------------------------------------------ "Its not Feasible to Dismiss an Idea because of lag"
TuRtLe HeAd The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2005.11.03 08:37:00 - [1952] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 03/11/2005 08:42:58 CBA to argue, everyone just bend over and accept it, it is happening whether the subscribers like it or not.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:00:00 - [1953] Tux, any info on whether you're considering changing drone tracking and gun resolution? Currently heavy drones hit any ship class at any speed much too well (imho). Mediums are usually useless in comparison, and lights are totally useless because their damage output is so small even 10 of them cannot threaten an untanked frigate/inty. If we had something like this: - heavy drones have best damage, slowest speed, have problems hitting frigates reliably - mediums have less damage, more speed, have problems hitting interceptors but otherwise hit reliably - lights have the least damage but most speed, reliably hit anything and 5 of them (in new system) can kill a t1 frigate or seriously threaten an inty ...then I think we'd have more balance, and more reason to use light and medium drones. At the moment, heavy drones are a one-stop solution to everything, sort of like torpedos used to be in the missile department.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:00:00 - [1954] Tux, any info on whether you're considering changing drone tracking and gun resolution? Currently heavy drones hit any ship class at any speed much too well (imho). Mediums are usually useless in comparison, and lights are totally useless because their damage output is so small even 10 of them cannot threaten an untanked frigate/inty. If we had something like this: - heavy drones have best damage, slowest speed, have problems hitting frigates reliably - mediums have less damage, more speed, have problems hitting interceptors but otherwise hit reliably - lights have the least damage but most speed, reliably hit anything and 5 of them (in new system) can kill a t1 frigate or seriously threaten an inty ...then I think we'd have more balance, and more reason to use light and medium drones. At the moment, heavy drones are a one-stop solution to everything, sort of like torpedos used to be in the missile department.
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:12:00 - [1955] 34 pages? Sheesh, I hope you will forgive me for not reading ALL of them... Quote from the blog; Now lets take a look at the Raven. It was limited to 6 drones due to it's small drone bay. As it is limited by it's drone bay size he can't carry any spare drones in his cargo hold. After the changes he would have room for 3 drones and their performance would depend on the Drone Interfacing skill giving him the max damage output the same as of 6 drones at Drone Interfacing level 5. I doubt that a lot of Raven pilots bothered to train Drone Interfacing to level 5 so this will probably be a bit of a damage reduction to them. ...re Raven's drone bay reduction...first thought was this is disastrous; fitting small turrets on to the Raven to deal with small fast targets has limited effectiveness. The Raven is not a turret ship and so gets no bonus to their use whatsoever. Most Raven pilots rely on drones to finish them off. Now to do that we have to train ANOTHER skill, on top of the 17 million skill points we had to invest in missiles, just to get our DPS back to about 90% of where it used to be pre-patch. However, this post introduces webbing and target painting drones...I'll have to try the changes for real to see how much of an advantage they are...it may be a better idea now to choose those and fit turrets again. NOT keen on the idea of the EWAR drones at all. From my limited experience of PVP, EWAR really IS the "I win" button, and I think the drones with their no cap/no cpu/no powergrid fiotting requirements are just too powerful to be throwing this stuff around. ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:12:00 - [1956] 34 pages? Sheesh, I hope you will forgive me for not reading ALL of them... Quote from the blog; Now lets take a look at the Raven. It was limited to 6 drones due to it's small drone bay. As it is limited by it's drone bay size he can't carry any spare drones in his cargo hold. After the changes he would have room for 3 drones and their performance would depend on the Drone Interfacing skill giving him the max damage output the same as of 6 drones at Drone Interfacing level 5. I doubt that a lot of Raven pilots bothered to train Drone Interfacing to level 5 so this will probably be a bit of a damage reduction to them. ...re Raven's drone bay reduction...first thought was this is disastrous; fitting small turrets on to the Raven to deal with small fast targets has limited effectiveness. The Raven is not a turret ship and so gets no bonus to their use whatsoever. Most Raven pilots rely on drones to finish them off. Now to do that we have to train ANOTHER skill, on top of the 17 million skill points we had to invest in missiles, just to get our DPS back to about 90% of where it used to be pre-patch. However, this post introduces webbing and target painting drones...I'll have to try the changes for real to see how much of an advantage they are...it may be a better idea now to choose those and fit turrets again. NOT keen on the idea of the EWAR drones at all. From my limited experience of PVP, EWAR really IS the "I win" button, and I think the drones with their no cap/no cpu/no powergrid fiotting requirements are just too powerful to be throwing this stuff around. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:16:00 - [1957] Just wondering...ships that get an ECM bonus (Scorp)...will they get any sort of bonus to ECM drone effects? ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:16:00 - [1958] Just wondering...ships that get an ECM bonus (Scorp)...will they get any sort of bonus to ECM drone effects? --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:45:00 - [1959] Originally by: Grey Area 34 pages? Sheesh, I hope you will forgive me for not reading ALL of them... Quote from the blog; Now lets take a look at the Raven. It was limited to 6 drones due to it's small drone bay. As it is limited by it's drone bay size he can't carry any spare drones in his cargo hold. After the changes he would have room for 3 drones and their performance would depend on the Drone Interfacing skill giving him the max damage output the same as of 6 drones at Drone Interfacing level 5. I doubt that a lot of Raven pilots bothered to train Drone Interfacing to level 5 so this will probably be a bit of a damage reduction to them. ...re Raven's drone bay reduction...first thought was this is disastrous; fitting small turrets on to the Raven to deal with small fast targets has limited effectiveness. The Raven is not a turret ship and so gets no bonus to their use whatsoever. Most Raven pilots rely on drones to finish them off. Now to do that we have to train ANOTHER skill, on top of the 17 million skill points we had to invest in missiles, just to get our DPS back to about 90% of where it used to be pre-patch. However, this post introduces webbing and target painting drones...I'll have to try the changes for real to see how much of an advantage they are...it may be a better idea now to choose those and fit turrets again. NOT keen on the idea of the EWAR drones at all. From my limited experience of PVP, EWAR really IS the "I win" button, and I think the drones with their no cap/no cpu/no powergrid fiotting requirements are just too powerful to be throwing this stuff around. As I already said, I see no point in using damage dealing drones on Caldari battleships in the new system. The Ewar ones may be usefull, but that we have to check. I personaly think the Ravens ability to fend of tacklers will de seriously screwed. ------------------------------ If stupidity could bloom, these forums would be all flowers ...
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:45:00 - [1960] Originally by: Grey Area 34 pages? Sheesh, I hope you will forgive me for not reading ALL of them... Quote from the blog; Now lets take a look at the Raven. It was limited to 6 drones due to it's small drone bay. As it is limited by it's drone bay size he can't carry any spare drones in his cargo hold. After the changes he would have room for 3 drones and their performance would depend on the Drone Interfacing skill giving him the max damage output the same as of 6 drones at Drone Interfacing level 5. I doubt that a lot of Raven pilots bothered to train Drone Interfacing to level 5 so this will probably be a bit of a damage reduction to them. ...re Raven's drone bay reduction...first thought was this is disastrous; fitting small turrets on to the Raven to deal with small fast targets has limited effectiveness. The Raven is not a turret ship and so gets no bonus to their use whatsoever. Most Raven pilots rely on drones to finish them off. Now to do that we have to train ANOTHER skill, on top of the 17 million skill points we had to invest in missiles, just to get our DPS back to about 90% of where it used to be pre-patch. However, this post introduces webbing and target painting drones...I'll have to try the changes for real to see how much of an advantage they are...it may be a better idea now to choose those and fit turrets again. NOT keen on the idea of the EWAR drones at all. From my limited experience of PVP, EWAR really IS the "I win" button, and I think the drones with their no cap/no cpu/no powergrid fiotting requirements are just too powerful to be throwing this stuff around. As I already said, I see no point in using damage dealing drones on Caldari battleships in the new system. The Ewar ones may be usefull, but that we have to check. I personaly think the Ravens ability to fend of tacklers will de seriously screwed. Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:55:00 - [1961] Originally by: Hugh Ruka As I already said, I see no point in using damage dealing drones on Caldari battleships in the new system. The Ewar ones may be usefull, but that we have to check. I personaly think the Ravens ability to fend of tacklers will de seriously screwed. Likewise, there is no point in using non-damage drones on Dominix etc, which is a bit screwy. I don't actually quite understand why you wouldn't use damage drones (or any drone you like, for that matter) on Caldari ships... since you're not getting any drone bonuses, you should be able to choose any drone type you want. Or am I missing something here? Regardless, even if we just look at the EW drones... I'd think 3 x webber drones would make tacklers easy meat for your missiles. Or 2 x webber + a painter drone. Or some other combo.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.11.03 09:55:00 - [1962] Originally by: Hugh Ruka As I already said, I see no point in using damage dealing drones on Caldari battleships in the new system. The Ewar ones may be usefull, but that we have to check. I personaly think the Ravens ability to fend of tacklers will de seriously screwed. Likewise, there is no point in using non-damage drones on Dominix etc, which is a bit screwy. I don't actually quite understand why you wouldn't use damage drones (or any drone you like, for that matter) on Caldari ships... since you're not getting any drone bonuses, you should be able to choose any drone type you want. Or am I missing something here? Regardless, even if we just look at the EW drones... I'd think 3 x webber drones would make tacklers easy meat for your missiles. Or 2 x webber + a painter drone. Or some other combo.
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:12:00 - [1963] Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 03/11/2005 10:12:19 Edit: miss post
Tiny Carlos Brutor tribe	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:12:00 - [1964] Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 03/11/2005 10:12:19 Edit: miss post "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:21:00 - [1965] So I'm a vex pilot, Drones 5, DI 2, Hvy drone 3. I can with these skill deploy a full bay of drones (heavies or Heavy/Med mix) and get some OK damage, and Only hvy drone skill or T2 drones wll imporve that (no more drones needed). After the changes we get half the dronebay, giving 50% damage, with DI 3 giving 60% of that back I end up with 80% of the damage I do now, And I'll have to spend 21 days training DI to lvl 5 to get that back, that's a skill that'll do nothing for me, in this ship, under the current system. The Ewar drones will not be much use to me as I'll be losing a larger chunk of my DoT by not using combat drones than a non-drone ship would, so nothing much for us there. Tux, maybe a few more month making the teas would help
Skiving Larry	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:21:00 - [1966] So I'm a vex pilot, Drones 5, DI 2, Hvy drone 3. I can with these skill deploy a full bay of drones (heavies or Heavy/Med mix) and get some OK damage, and Only hvy drone skill or T2 drones wll imporve that (no more drones needed). After the changes we get half the dronebay, giving 50% damage, with DI 3 giving 60% of that back I end up with 80% of the damage I do now, And I'll have to spend 21 days training DI to lvl 5 to get that back, that's a skill that'll do nothing for me, in this ship, under the current system. The Ewar drones will not be much use to me as I'll be losing a larger chunk of my DoT by not using combat drones than a non-drone ship would, so nothing much for us there. Tux, maybe a few more month making the teas would help
ChalSto	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:56:00 - [1967] This whole drone-"improvement"-******** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2005.11.03 10:56:00 - [1968] This whole drone-"improvement"-****** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb**
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:05:00 - [1969] Quote: This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. I think the management at CCP are the devs, it's not a big opperation. I'm sure they have a specialist bussiness guy, but I belive its devs that run the show.
Tiny Carlos Brutor tribe	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:05:00 - [1970] Quote: This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. I think the management at CCP are the devs, it's not a big opperation. I'm sure they have a specialist bussiness guy, but I belive its devs that run the show. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Nafri	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:09:00 - [1971] Originally by: ChalSto This whole drone-"improvement"-******** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager your funny, reducing drone lag is a major need of all dedicated PvP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscription canceled
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:09:00 - [1972] Originally by: ChalSto This whole drone-"improvement"-******** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager your funny, reducing drone lag is a major need of all dedicated PvP From Dusk till Dawn
ChalSto	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:17:00 - [1973] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: ChalSto This whole drone-"improvement"-******** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager your funny, reducing drone lag is a major need of all dedicated PvP Then they should buy more hardware, not just decrase the drone-swarms. More players will use drones now = absolutly NO effect to reduce lagg! Fact! End of story!
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:17:00 - [1974] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: ChalSto This whole drone-"improvement"-****** is ONLY a cost-reduction-improvement.(lol....."less" laggs, less hardware-cost = cost-reduction....sure..........now MUCH more players will use drones...lol....and you HAVE TO buy new hardware....) This was NERVER an idea of a game-developer. This was an idea of the management. And now we gamers must pay for it. Dear CCP-Management, if you want to destroy EvE, please just shut-down all servers^^ Greethings a manager your funny, reducing drone lag is a major need of all dedicated PvP Then they should buy more hardware, not just decrase the drone-swarms. More players will use drones now = absolutly NO effect to reduce lagg! Fact! End of story! Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb**
Spurgo	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:25:00 - [1975] I think that as Raven pilot i will have PROBLEMS! If i train drone interfacin to lev 5 ( damn long ) i will suffer no penalities but if i wont i' ll be penalized. We' ll have to see how this work, but ATM i think that whilst doin NPC i ll use 3 Heavy Shield boostin drones, they will perform a great work keepin me alive with 180 transfering points at time ( 2-3-4-5 sec? ).
Spurgo	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:25:00 - [1976] I think that as Raven pilot i will have PROBLEMS! If i train drone interfacin to lev 5 ( damn long ) i will suffer no penalities but if i wont i' ll be penalized. We' ll have to see how this work, but ATM i think that whilst doin NPC i ll use 3 Heavy Shield boostin drones, they will perform a great work keepin me alive with 180 transfering points at time ( 2-3-4-5 sec? ).
Malken	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:38:00 - [1977] maybe i missed it somewhere but will 5 mining drones pull in the same amount as 15 used to? or did that part get overlooked?
Malken	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:38:00 - [1978] maybe i missed it somewhere but will 5 mining drones pull in the same amount as 15 used to? or did that part get overlooked? Quote: [05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot [05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:42:00 - [1979] It was nice to play Eve for half year, but looks like someone is really bored. Instead fixing bugs you change evething. Now dominix with 5 drones? How I supose to mine with that??? Will I get extra bonus to mining? Now gallante race is nerved even more. No reallly I think its time for me to find new game.
Wolverine PL Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2005.11.03 11:42:00 - [1980] Edited by: Wolverine PL on 03/11/2005 12:04:26 It was nice to play Eve for half year, but looks like someone is really bored. Instead fixing bugs you change evething. Now dominix with 5 drones? How I supose to mine with that??? Will I get extra bonus to mining? Now gallante race is nerved even more. No reallly I think its time for me to find new game. And WTH is with thorax? After Mk2 changes and drone, thorax dronebay from 200m3 will drop to ... ~50m3 STOP NERFING GALLENTE SHIPS!!!

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