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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:23:00 -
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Our CEO, CCP Hellmar has something to say to all of you in his new dev blog.
Please read what he has to say and feel free to leave your feedback right here in the comment thread. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
200
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:24:00 -
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first
Also, a big thanks to Hilmar for writing this. It is a hard thing to admit when you have made a mistake. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
933
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:24:00 -
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Well said... and hopefully it will be well done. I look forward to seeing how things develop.
CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
207
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:25:00 -
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Thank you for your candor and the tone of this message, Hilmar, and taking the time to address all of these issues. We're looking forward to seeing where all this goes.:)
Winter is coming!! Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
685
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:25:00 -
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This is exactly what we needed to see from Hilmar and CCP, and I applaud the courage it took to post such an apology to the community. |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
247
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:26:00 -
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I applaud Hilmar for his honesty. |
Simvastatin Montelukast
SACHEN. Mean Coalition
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:26:00 -
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IBC? |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Well said Hilmar. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
86
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Time wil tell, time will tell.
Update: CSM spamming the first page. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Hilmar :3 |
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Di Mulle
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Caught me quite unprepared, must admit... CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Ro'Kera
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:32:00 -
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Thank you, Hilmar, for your candor.
This is a really big step towards re-establishing the trust that I'd lost in you guys; I look forward to seeing what you and the rest of CCP have planned for us. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
131
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:32:00 -
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Faith is being restored!
But above all else, communication is the key! |
Didona Carpenito
Akimamur Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:33:00 -
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Nice story.
still not resubbing my alt until things change. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
405
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:33:00 -
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Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and by god, watch what we do.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:33:00 -
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Quote:From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. Yes and no. It might be a part of the future, too. |
Katrina Bekers
Fighters Squadron
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:33:00 -
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There IS hope, after all.
Now, usual meme - what you do, not what you say, etc.
But with a pinch of trust now. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:34:00 -
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Quote:...without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs. Faith restored. War-Machine |
Arien Omnicron
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:34:00 -
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About time. this was what i was waiting for. Through this whole mess the only thing on my mind was where is hellmar until now i don't think we've seen him at all. I was really just wondering what frame of mind the CEO was in to let this all happen. But i'm glad he had put him self back into the "game" and i hope what he says will get done.
Live long and prosper hellmar, do the eve universe proud. |
Byshop Kayl
Club Bear The Seventh Day
30
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:35:00 -
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Thank you.
I sincerely look forward to what comes next. -á"Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive."-á-- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over-áagain expecting different results."-á-- A. Einstein |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:35:00 -
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We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
412
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:36:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen.
Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top.
It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:36:00 -
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After the last several months of combative, dismissive, and downright vague dev blogs, this is a breath of fresh air.
My hope for the future of the game has been restored. |
Nicholai Sanse
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Tertius
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:37:00 -
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A good, hope-restoring post. Now let's hope the actions follow the words. |
Miraqu
Marquie-X Corp
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:38:00 -
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I hear the winds of change blowing.
<3 Hilmar |
Celebris Nexterra
Insanely Twisted
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:39:00 -
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Unexpected, but even more awesome. You did it all right before, just needed to remember that! |
Bruenor Danovan
Xabregas Biochemicals S.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:39:00 -
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Great news! Let us hope you stay the course, if you know what I mean |
Nika Maskirovka
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:39:00 -
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An unexpected devblog, but I am glad to see it. I prefer a humble, cooperative and curious Hilmar much more than an arrogant and uninterested one. These words mean a lot, at least to me.
Now we just wait for what you do. |
Mallikanth
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:40:00 -
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Very well Said Hilmar and Thank You.
Not sure about CCP Guard caling you "CCP Hellmar" - Freudian slip?? lol Believe in what they do, not what they say.
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top. It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction. It's not the first step, actually. It's the promise of a first step. Or, well, I guess you could argue what has to come first and whatnot. But Ivana is right. Ten birds in a blog and one on sisi, or something.
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:40:00 -
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This goes a long way toward restauring my faith in CCP's leadership. I appreciate the courage it takes to publicly admit you were mistaken.
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Jonathan Priest
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:40:00 -
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Reading that made me feel much better about the future of eve. I hope you guys stick with it and good luck with your new direction. |
xp3ll3d
ANZAC ACADEMY
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:41:00 -
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I was expecting a blog full of excuses and backpedaling. I was honestly surprised and impressed with the amount of honesty and reflection that was put into that post. Bravo! |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
936
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:41:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Update: CSM spamming the first page.
It's one of the few perks of the job. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
J Kunjeh
79
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:42:00 -
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Big fat kudos to you Hilmar! This is the blog many have been waiting for. Combined with Zulu's, I can't imagine that all of New Eden won't be in a festive mood this weekend! "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Korerin Mayul
hirr Morsus Mihi
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:42:00 -
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Appologies?! awesome!
welcome back CCP, you have my attention and my money. +2 subs |
Prime FLux
Max Hamburgers The Volition Cult
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:42:00 -
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Quote:ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,
right on the money! I need to see some action before I start celebrating. |
ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:42:00 -
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Thank you good sir. Look forward to seeing what becomes of this |
Korerin Mayul
hirr Morsus Mihi
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:43:00 -
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Ravcharas wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top. It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction. It's not the first step, actually. It's the promise of a first step. Or, well, I guess you could argue what has to come first and whatnot. But Ivana is right. Ten birds in a blog and one on sisi, or something.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a long, boring voyage planning meeting. |
Virilus Vigoro
JASDIP Mayhem.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:43:00 -
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Thank you for your candor. I think we all look forward to seeing where this will go from here. |
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adopt
The Deathwatch Legion Apex United
35
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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\respect \place fist here bro Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Abraxus Lazzurs
Rodents of Unusual Size
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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I stayed outta most of the rage that happened on the forums and in-game when that stuff all kicked off a few months back, but I was disheartened and upset thinking "****, it's SOE doing the NGE to SWG, but all over again."
But, getting a post that's as long as it was and as humble as it was, goes a long, LONG way in my books. Sure it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but you'll always have lovers' tiffs in MMOs and the Internet in general when it's something loved by a lot of people.
All I ask from CCP in the future is remember, you may design the game, but it's us the players that make it. 90% of the time, we cry, we moan and we complain because we can....But remove that 90% of shite and you're left with 10% of genuinely good ideas for the game.
Don't forget about us again CCP. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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Wow. That's different. In a good way. |
Kozmic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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This must have been difficult to write. Respect.
But, as you say, we will be watching what you do, not just what you say. |
Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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This is a strong show of character being able to admit fault and then have the strength to refocus. I still feel that Eve is the strongest MMO on the market. IMO this refocus is good your honesty and candor in your blog was nice and refreshing. So many corporations get so big and self involved that they lose focus with what got them to that point. I applaud the blog and its tone and wait with eager anticipation on all of what Eve can be.
GÖÑ Manny
Edit*
Hilmar - Just a suggestion take a day a month and go play Eve. Get yourself into a corporation and get some boots on the ground and get some personal perspective on the game again. IMO this will be good for you and good for CCP. The head cheese cannot have a total disconnect or situations that you are now working hard to overcome might happen again. |
Talcom
1st Praetorian Guard
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:45:00 -
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Thank you.
Apology accepted.
Now lets make this the greatest game ever! |
Albretch
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:47:00 -
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Good words, but still just words. I'm more hopeful for EVE than I have been for awhile. Follow this up with actions and I'll be able to recommend EVE/other CCP games to friends again. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:47:00 -
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Thats not at the blog, it's at CCP in general.
i love it to see that CCP as a whole has understood whats actually wrong, AND that they AS A COMPANY have realised that they have to do something about it.
Getting high professionals into managament positions, refocusing, putting cards on the table and writing such a blog which is basically telling "we ****** up, we are really sorry, we will do better"
you guys have got GIANT kudos!
i got some kind of respect back for CCP....
*raises a glass of beer* ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Di Mulle
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:48:00 -
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After reading it once more, I will not be original, I guess.
I watch what you do, not what you say, blah blah. Seriously.
But with way less pun intended than a day before. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:48:00 -
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Thank you, again.
No pay to win <-- this is ultimately critical.
For a company CEO to be apologising, it's just not something one sees as often as it should be happening around the world.
Well done Sir, stay the course.
The door is not real. |
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yunafan2004
Nox Noctis Industrius
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:49:00 -
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This is something I don't think any Blizz subscriber will ever see. It also strengthens my passion for EVE over all others. As players we all have had our moments of putting CCP on blast but you guys most be doing something right if we keep comming back for more. I for one will continue to have my bank account struck perfectly every 3 months until the end of time..or the server shuts down. |
Gritz1
Tranquility's Fallen
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:50:00 -
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This blog post reminded me of the recent apology from "Netflix"
But seriously, as a almost year old player, I am very excited to see these changes. I have learned a lot about what has changed from the past and have seen what changes are needed in this game, and it is very encouraging to seeing the top brass talk about the mistakes made and how he plans on going about fixing them. Thank you for the letter. |
Vorpaladin
Diplomacy Has Failed
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:50:00 -
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"Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences."
This means more and dumber n00bs to shoot. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:50:00 -
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Holy ****.
Now I want to play eve again instead of tanks. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
31
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:50:00 -
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Dear Hilmar,
Having a lot of experience with humbling situations in my life, I've got to say before I say anything else that I respect the courage, honour and humility it must have taken for you to write this apology. To err is commonplace, but to apologise for it is a sadly rare sign of human virtue in this day and age. It is redundant to say that my faith in CCP is no longer unshakeable, but your apology is something I wouldn't expect from the CEO of bigger games companies like Activision, EA, Sony Online or Blizzard. Admitting fault and apologising for it is a good thing.
I know you're a CEO, and you're talking to customers in the manner of a CEO, but you're actually talking to us - again, not something I'd expect from more mainstream games companies. You have not fully restored my faith in CCP - as you have said, I'll be watching your actions more than your words. With the utmost respect, CCP has a history of apologising for things, fixing minor issues and calling it a day. For this to be a true turning point, CCP must truly change within and without - if you truly wish to convince us that CCP can deliver on the promise of EVE Online, you must commit to it one hundred and ten percent.
We need to see the radical changes we've been promised - regular iteration on older content, player issues addressed in weeks rather than months, constant interaction and dialogue with the playerbase. Reform and revitalise. Listen to player input at every turn. Test every feature you want to roll out on Singularity weeks in advance and listen to the testers.
Every time I try to leave this game, it pulls me back in somehow. I have never given up on the dream of EVE Online. I have never given up on the endless promise of tomorrow and the grand adventure of the far reaches of space.
I'm going to give you my cautious trust, CCP, one last time. Take me places I've never seen before and show me a world where impossible is a dirty word.
- Andrew Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor Media Consultant, Voyeur Studios |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:51:00 -
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Outstanding letter, made my day when I read this. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
48
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:51:00 -
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I has a warm fuzzy :)
Thank you CCP Hellmar This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Darth Sith
Genbuku. Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:53:00 -
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Hate to admit it but this post did a lot for me personally as a long time vet of EVE.
I am glad that CCP has not waited till it was too late to re-evaluate their approach to EVE, but more importantly, it is good to finally hear the perspective from the boss himself.
I fell in love with EVE many years ago and I look forward to seeing what the future holds.
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
164
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:53:00 -
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Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that.
Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example. ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer "Prism X is my first world problem." ~ CCP FLX If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it. |
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Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:53:00 -
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Thank you. Bittervetness decreasing. Hope for EVE & CCP returning.
(I just hope I'm not putting myself up for another disappointment.)
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
49
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:54:00 -
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i had lost hope to see something like that. it's extremly late, way too late, but, if you prove that you're not lying, i will accept this apology and give you another chance. i was sure i wouldn't be here anymore in 6 months, now, with this and the (too) little Zulu blog, i'm begining to think that maybe i can go back to check for long term plans. |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:55:00 -
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Thank you Hilmar. Keep improving the allready best game in the world. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:55:00 -
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My excitement about the future of EVE has returned. I now have a genuine hope that EVE will be returned to GREATNESS!!
The last year or so has been a torrid time - EVE losing direction, corpies I flew with for years giving up with frustration and boredom, and going onto other games, well established community characters also moving on...etc, etc.
Thank you, for being humble enough and open enough, to see what the player base has been seeing.
Last, but certainly not least - Thank you for being so openly apologetic...it's never an easy thing for anybody to do. One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:56:00 -
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+1 for the sincerity. While i thought the whining was unnecessary (still do) its amazing to see a company care this much. |
Tivookz
Long Dong Corp
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:56:00 -
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Aye! |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
35
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:57:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that. Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example.
this just shows how important eve has become to some of us, that damn tear... i had it too.... ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Arien Omnicron
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:57:00 -
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This upcoming fan-fest is going to be crazy, because of this. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
52
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:58:00 -
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CCP Hellmar wrote:The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience. When we channel our passion for EVE constructively, we can make this vision a reality together. Well said.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:58:00 -
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The major thing to take away from things like these where your business took a hit. Who were to yes men grin *******? Who told you that it was a terrible choice.
You naturally get rid of the grin ******* and put those people who will say you're doing something wrong in the positions of power. |
Garo Hertee
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:59:00 -
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Bravo! It takes a big man to admit mistakes and to do it with such sincerity and humility. You, sir, have just shown your quality. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
89
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:59:00 -
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<3 CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
So is it Hillmar or Hellmar?
Either way, excellent blog \m/
Slade
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MBrace
Advent Chaos Theory KRYSIS.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:59:00 -
[73] - Quote
Exactly what I needed. Here's to hoping. |
Kamilia StarGazer
Sovereign Industrial Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:00:00 -
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Its a good baby step in the right direction.
And i hope for eves sake that you intend to follow through with the plan while listening to us at the same time.
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Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:01:00 -
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If you want to keep eve being unique, please make DUST 514 ONLY for eve online players. Do NOT make 2 different communities with realy small connection. Think what to do with players, cuz it's not smart for me to create another character to play dust. I want to sight on the planet with my own nickname, same as in eve. And also... integrate dust 514 to eve online client.
KEEP BEING UNIQUE. Keep being as one unity. |
StarRanger 2ndClass
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:01:00 -
[76] - Quote
Quote:ItGÇÿs time to get serious about these spaceships.
damn right! |
Hamar Dijox
Dijox Clan
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
great letter, great man. now do the great work too and don't disappoint us.
*thumbs up for Hilmar* |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
204
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:02:00 -
[78] - Quote
Plenty of respect to you for the things you said.
Seems that Eve is in very good hands "again". Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Dr Djago
Crazy Witches
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:02:00 -
[79] - Quote
Thank you, now was that so hard?
Well better late than never i guess... |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
Wow look at all the fair weather subscribers ITT.
Words are nice, but actions speak louder. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
321
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal? I'll put further fuel on the alt-accusation fire by not-quite-empty-quoting this.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
That is reassuring to read.
That willingness to cast a critical eye over what you are doing and not just frantically rationalise is what separates the competent from everyone else.
EVE is truly unique. We wouldn't hate when you screw it up so hard if it wasn't.
It's nice to read that you understand this. Group hug. |
Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
\0/
Now follow through with that well written piece with some well placed actions! But indeed it looks like were moving in the right direction now |
Sered Woollahra
No Fixed Abode LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
I like it. It takes courage to be this honest and forthright. Kudos! |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
72
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
Good blog.
A man who knows that dreams are limitless, but that people are limited, has far more chance of realising his dreams.
I'm sure that can't have been an easy blog to write, but it needed to be said.
Eve is a game of vast, and most of it untapped, potential - but it doesn't have to deliver it overnight. See each step towards that as a success and embrace it. Certainly from my own perspective I would rather see Eve developing and expanding in an incremental way, rather than leaping from dream to dream - but always falling short.
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Karbowiak
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
20
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
Its ok, we all still love you! <3
now get working! */me cracks the whip*.. MUSH, MUSH! |
tiberiusric
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
Well i really do hope this is a massive transformation for ccp and for eve, and not just words. I personally had a dislike to hilmar, because of his arrogance and 'dont care' attitude, but i have to say its nice to see a response like this. However I hope CCP do not just listen to the playerbase everytime they shout and do make some radical decisions, because eve needs it. And bitter vets will always complain about something!
We get frustrated because you do implement some cool features like FW that has the potential to be fantastic, and it was built up to that, then all we got was a glorified war dec, the issue is you dont finish it...
Of course you have to develop other stuff, and why shouldnt you, but keep developing eve as well... |
Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:09:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tears of joy. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:10:00 -
[89] - Quote
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/49967468_c6a7abf51f.jpg
Someone send Hilmar one, he deserves it. |
yunafan2004
Nox Noctis Industrius
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:10:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jokerface666 wrote:CCP Prism X wrote:Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that. Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example. this just shows how important eve has become to some of us, that damn tear... i had it too....
these guys put it into the best words for me. I have over three years invested...which to some of my fellow trolls is still green but i wouldn't trade this in for any other MMO. |
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Aessaya
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:10:00 -
[91] - Quote
Thank you hillmar, for the letter. I hope this direction will be worked on.
*finally puts the pitchfork away* (Yes, i had it by my side all the time since monoclegate)
Godspeed! Ah, you seek meaning?-áThen listen to the music, not the song. |
Rexthor Hammerfists
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:11:00 -
[92] - Quote
This is something i honestly did not expect but is very, very much appreciated. Even with all the turmoil of the last year, i havent found an mmo that could topple eve in its pvp niche, but i did not expect it to stay that way for long anymore. This however gives me hope.
There are many things to iterate on, that will enhance the quality of the game greatly. FiS things, some of which already mentioned in the blog. Keep those in your focus and this 2004 player may stick with you for another 7 years. |
Cmdr Snipes
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
It takes a big man to step up and take responsibility. This is probably one of the most comforting, and potentially amazing blogs I've ever seen in the history of EVE. You said you've wanted to re-instill the trust of the players in CCP and with EVE itself. Well, Hellmar, you've freaking gone and done it.
I've also read the blog that was released shortly after your own, and I seriously don't think you understand the magnitude of what you've done here. Our TS went from talking about absolutely nothing related to EVE, to an explosion of (what we would equate to) cheering. Every single one of us is excited as **** for all this to come to fruition.
In the eyes of this pilot, you've got my attention and trust. You've figured out all the things we've been screaming for (what seems like) years and decided to fix many of them in one fell swoop. If things work out like we all imagine, you'll have our complete trust and support for many years to come.
Thanks for this Hellmar. We hope to see big things from you all, and while I'm uneasy saying this (which is justifiable given the past), you seem to have the direction which you need to go. |
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CCP Hunter.
C C P C C P Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:11:00 -
[94] - Quote
\O/ |
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Zilero
Unknown Soldiers NEM3SIS.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:11:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Hellmar wrote:Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game.
Wait? What? NO! I don't care about my avatar, I want the idiot pictures turned off again like in the old days where I had to click a portrait to view his/her face. This insane focus on the visual experience will be your down fall!
What I want is the game to run smoothly on current hardware, by that I mean current, not some ******** bleeding edge expensive vacuum making an insane amount of noise toaster oven that cost me USD 3000.
CCP has failed again and again in delivering ANY kind of graphics performance - and why the hell are ATI lagging so far behind in performance its almost a crime?
This alone should be enough to focus on getting the core stuff working before launching new ******** graphics intensive stuff - and then I have not even begun talking about the myriad of bugs that plagues Eve like we were part of the dark ages.
Seriously, fix stuff, that's all the players ask for, not this utter crap you deliver.
-zil
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CCP Hunter.
C C P C C P Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:12:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP Prism X wrote:Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that. Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example.
I am going to give you a great big hug tomorrow ! |
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Eskalin
Evolution The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:13:00 -
[97] - Quote
Hilmar makes dev blog. The blog is very wordy. Results matter more.
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized |
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd Imperial Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:13:00 -
[98] - Quote
Thank you CCP Hilmar for the apology. As a former Ceo and a Director I understand just how hard it is to say I'm sorry. This is a game that is easy to love, due to the hard work between CCP and the players. I look forward to the future with Eve.
Since this is a sandbox game, and one of the most wonderful and equally frustrating things about the game, maybe the player base can start by trying to do something about nullsec. Not a clue what atm, but what the hey.
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The Crimson Invaider
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:13:00 -
[99] - Quote
Thank you honesty for your hilmar. |
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CCP GingerDude
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:14:00 -
[100] - Quote
Ginger Power!!!1! Senior Server Programmer |
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Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd Imperial Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal?
I like this.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
135
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
I do not agree with everything you said, but that is to be expected, I do however feel you came to a moment of insight that put the priorities of CCP back on track this pleases me and I am sure others.
I applaud you for your honesty, it is not an easy thing to write something like that. Now we will be watching. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Negativestatus
Never Enough Ammo
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:15:00 -
[103] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Our CEO, CCP Hellmar has something to say to all of you in his new dev blog. Please read what he has to say and feel free to leave your feedback right here in the comment thread.
A letter like that should also be sent out via email for those that don't check the site regularly :).
Can't wait for what the future brings, you guys have done an amazing job so far. Keep it up!
-- Neg
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BadJoe
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:15:00 -
[104] - Quote
"Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in. "
No I was not really out, but this is a very good step for the game we love. Keep it up! |
ItsmeHcK1
Lucifer's Hammer Burn Away
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:16:00 -
[105] - Quote
I, for one, welcome our new monocle-wearing, blog-writing, ship-spinning overlords. Like everyone else I too desire actions over words, but I'd say this is a heck of a good start. <3 Eve <3 CCP <3 CCP Soundwave Don't make me retract one of those hearts. :P |
M0GWAI
Insen
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
I knew you had it in you laddie
Well done Hilmar and I love the conclusion of the blog where you show that you really learnt something; it's not what you say...
Thank you - I want to stay with eve so you better deliver! Karn Dulake > These Bots are getting very advanced. The other day one spent 45 minutes scamming me out of 5 plexes in Jita. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:17:00 -
[107] - Quote
Great blog, fully honest and heartfelt.
Well done sir, it takes a brave man to admit what you've admitted. I'm pretty sure that if the Winter Expansion delivers, you'll see numbers climbing back up again and old faces returning. We all love this game, or we wouldn't get so passionate about it.
Long live EVE!
And best of luck in your future games too. |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:18:00 -
[108] - Quote
Brilliant!
As a new player (of 3 months) I had wonderd if I'd made a mistake and entered the New Eden universe just as it was heading for the Big Crunch and a mass exodus of players. I'm so relieved that your blog post appears to signal a new dawn for Eve in general.
Congratulations CCP, to all the CSM members and the players that voiced their concerns so effectively. I'm really looking forward to a truly awesome Eve Online.
+1 interwebs for everyone |
Stalking Mantis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:18:00 -
[109] - Quote
To see this from CCP's head officer is reassuring. Despite all the posts in here that say 'they are just words' They are HUGE words and a shift in attitude.
Let this be the beginning of a CCP that is back to it's roots, back to being EVE the gaming community that was/should always be the envy of all MMOG communities.
Many a player has shown faith by holding onto EVE in the darkest of times. This blog shows you reaching out and having faith in your customers instead of the past impression we got of CCP customers being taken for granted. For showing this faith and reaching out I am resubbing all my accounts to ensure that my part is being paid to ensure all CCP employees are well paid from the top to the bottom, well paid and comfortable enough to make my game better.
I understand the projects on your plate are distracting (dust/WOD), but do not lose sight of CCP's cash cow. Do not lose sight of EVE.
I am tired of seeing less and less of my friends log in, lets change that CCP. |
Gregor Palter
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:18:00 -
[110] - Quote
That's a big humble pie there Hilmar and you ate it all, crumbs and everything.
For me personally you didn't have to "grovel" and a "ok, we ****** up. lets be friends again" would have sufficed but I understand the necessity to convey it properly. If you come true on your words and deliver properly worked out improvements and show us that you understand which parts of EVE need attention the most we'll love you long time.
What I've been missing is someone going "no, it's not good enough. Try AGAIN" in your team, someone who understands the old eve, wants to excel and demands quality. Like that new cyno you have on sisi; someone should take control and go "no, we strive for something much cooler, this won't do. We will NOT implement half assed stuff again".
If you do what we want you to do, be passionate about EVE and demanding nothing but the best for her, you'll have the most loyal player base of all MMOs out there, again.
Excuses are the refuge of the weak. |
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SerialTurd
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:18:00 -
[111] - Quote
Good blog. Certainly a good step in the right direction. I must admit, this made me nervous:
Quote:Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
To me that says if the entire industry moves in the pay to win format, so will we. That scares me. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
414
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:19:00 -
[112] - Quote
Negativestatus wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Our CEO, CCP Hellmar has something to say to all of you in his new dev blog. Please read what he has to say and feel free to leave your feedback right here in the comment thread. A letter like that should also be sent out via email for those that don't check the site regularly :). Can't wait for what the future brings, you guys have done an amazing job so far. Keep it up! -- Neg
That's a good idea. And to unsubbed players as well. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Blue Binary
Polychoron
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:19:00 -
[113] - Quote
Refreshing and honest. It takes some cahoonas to face up to your mistakes and admit them publicly. You have given us high hopes now. |
Junko Sideswipe
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:21:00 -
[114] - Quote
Props to CCP and Hilmar for getting their stuff sorted, it's been a long time coming for the (terrible) EVE community.
MAD ******* props to CSM6 for tirelessly working to get to this point and help CCP see the reality of their situation. |
Stay Shontrader
Otherland Complex
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:21:00 -
[115] - Quote
Kudos and thanks, Hellmar |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
43
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:21:00 -
[116] - Quote
Man, I wish I had been a fly on Hilmar's wall the past few days .. the sighs, gnashing of teeth and uncomfortable moans that must have accompanied the realization he has come to must have been glorious
Top notch grovelling, will read again.
PS: You are right. Eve can be so much more, but like any baby can attest .. running before walking can have some rather nasty (and often bloody) repercussions. |
Phil MacMannon
Fantastic Gymnastics
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:21:00 -
[117] - Quote
This is very encouraging but i do hope you guys truely know the damage that has been caused.
I just hope that some of the changes are going to involve the restoration of the immersion that for me, and for so many others, has been shattered.
I never truely appreciated until the incarna patch just how SERIOUS this business was to me, and how REAL it felt as a result.
Indestructable, magically spawning out-of-thin-air clothes, buried in some god awful disgusting seedy & greedy cash shop that was staring me in the face everytime i logged in, did it for me more than any lack of ship spinning ever could.
I am hoping that with your new found "insight" you will be able to see that such a monstrosity has no place in our *once* beautiful world, and that is coming from a guy that was desperate to play dress up with barbie.
For me, for business to get serious again, you are simply going to have to take measures that restore the integrity of the sandbox which, up until incarna, was intact.
A really good place to start would be to get players to start making those clothes, probably from bpc's or whatever, and integrate the whole process into the normal market functions so it works just the same as any other manufactured item with it's organic nature of supply and demand in our PLAYER DRIVEN SANDBOX. (remember that?)
As soon as you have done that please find the box you ticked to make those clothes indestructable, and then, you know, UNTICK IT. (quite important that bit, really.)
The next thing to do is take your prices, and then reduce them by average, about 95%. Start with Joe, and work your up dude, not the other way round.
Once you have been kind enough to do those things i would really appreciate it if the items that you can actually manufacture bear some kind of resemblance and connection to the lore of eve online.
Seeing generic, sci-fi inspired drivel does not immerse me in the world of eve, it's just another slap in the face to remind me that what i am doing is just wasting time on a stupid computer game. I do not want to play a stupid computer game, i want my serious business back.
I honestly believe that is possible to combine serious business with serious clothes. What i believe you cannot do, is attempt to combine serious business with the HATS OF TEAM FORTRESS 2.
Serious business needs serious clothes, you get me?
Phil.
P.S. Put the standings page back. |
Vint Rotach
Rotach Services Shadow Directive
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:21:00 -
[118] - Quote
Turning the 'oil-tanker' of CCP might take some effort, but a blog like this shows you are starting to lean on the helm.
Good work. Keep these things coming and you'll see the tide turn.
/me wonders how many other nautical references he can think of |
Antal Marius
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:22:00 -
[119] - Quote
This mean we get to see some real FiS expansions and the rest of the Incarna expansion? |
Chira'Relael
Pixelmoon The Star League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[120] - Quote
if you community doesnt understand how his love of eve may have blinded him some then you dont deserve a CEO like him. i enjoy this game thoroughly. i dont view what he did as making mistakes, just as things that were not clarified. im defensive about this game myself but patience is a SKILL in eve you must train :) |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[121] - Quote
Good blog.
A little something for everyone in that.
And this:Falin Whalen wrote:Wow look at all the fair weather subscribers ITT.
Seriously guys. You people have quit and resubbed so many times now that it's beyond laughable.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Aneremon
Red Fleet Corp RED.OverLord
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[122] - Quote
Quote:The game needs new ships. NO, PLEASE We got enought with supers, thank you. All you have to do now is to fix current ballance and finish "walking in stations" part. |
Cevin North
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[123] - Quote
Well well, a voice from the top....
Its good to see that we see post back from the old staff as well as the new staff, and that we can actually READ what ur saying. Thanks for taking the time to write to your customers, friends, or player-base, i think were the lot...
There are however some things you probebly need for your old playerbase to kepe the game interesting, and that is truly new content. The game is not boring, but the lack of the ability to grow further once youve trained everything becomes very annoying.
The first 3 years in EVE you can live without cross training and still experiencing something new like every month in the game, however, this is now running to a stall, and that definetly would be nice to see change.
I hope that ccp can find a way to make the game interesting, and the idea to the older players that there are new things for us as well, would be great.... |
Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries Wrong Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[124] - Quote
Good dev blog - it took balls to publicaly admit to having screwed up so badly. If you guys make good on the promises I think you will have a happy plyerbase again, but if this turns out to be another concilliatory post to shut us up for 6 months you'll pretty much kill any trust the community will have - not to mention subs..... |
JacKDynne
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:25:00 -
[125] - Quote
Good stuff |
NinjaTurtle
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:25:00 -
[126] - Quote
It's been a long time I've seen CCP step up like that. Last time was 2007 iirc. That'll do pig. That'll do.
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MegaThordin
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:27:00 -
[127] - Quote
Great post CCP Hellmar, nice to see that CCP is switching focus to what the game is really about :) I can't wait to see what CCP will implement in EVE in the future.
/MegaThordin |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:27:00 -
[128] - Quote
I want to give Hilmar a big, cuddly viking-size hug after reading that. Thanks for being honest. |
Catho Sharn
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:27:00 -
[129] - Quote
This is a time where we watch what CCP does, not what it says. |
Nika Maskirovka
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:28:00 -
[130] - Quote
SerialTurd wrote:Good blog. Certainly a good step in the right direction. I must admit, this made me nervous: Quote:Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. To me that says if the entire industry moves in the pay to win format, so will we. That scares me. Very true. I hope the people making decisions at CCP see this post.
Eve has a lot more older players than the other games in the MMO business. People with a steady incoming. People that don't mind paying a monthly fee for quality.
Don't underestimate that, CCP. |
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Sentinel Eeex
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:28:00 -
[131] - Quote
They're up to something. They've never been this nice.
Probably going to increase subscription fees soon |
Bor Navkjid
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:28:00 -
[132] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeP6CpUnfc0 |
Aisha Kropotkin
Anarchy Inc.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:31:00 -
[133] - Quote
Very good to see the big brash viking eat some crow. about time he did too.
I hope this doesnt mean he's cut off his gonads though. The gutsiness of the CCP leadership are part of what made eve so great. Lesser men would have given in to the screaming voices of the downtrodden in eve long before. The often horrible harsness is one of the things that make eve special, and it takes huge copper ones to persist with that vision. |
Lunas Whisper
Chillwater Ltd Imperial Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:32:00 -
[134] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Dear Hilmar,
Having a lot of experience with humbling situations in my life, I've got to say before I say anything else that I respect the courage, honour and humility it must have taken for you to write this apology. To err is commonplace, but to apologise for it is a sadly rare sign of human virtue in this day and age. It is redundant to say that my faith in CCP is no longer unshakeable, but your apology is something I wouldn't expect from the CEO of bigger games companies like Activision, EA, Sony Online or Blizzard. Admitting fault and apologising for it is a good thing.
I know you're a CEO, and you're talking to customers in the manner of a CEO, but you're actually talking to us - again, not something I'd expect from more mainstream games companies. You have not fully restored my faith in CCP - as you have said, I'll be watching your actions more than your words. With the utmost respect, CCP has a history of apologising for things, fixing minor issues and calling it a day. For this to be a true turning point, CCP must truly change within and without - if you truly wish to convince us that CCP can deliver on the promise of EVE Online, you must commit to it one hundred and ten percent.
We need to see the radical changes we've been promised - regular iteration on older content, player issues addressed in weeks rather than months, constant interaction and dialogue with the playerbase. Reform and revitalise. Listen to player input at every turn. Test every feature you want to roll out on Singularity weeks in advance and listen to the testers.
Every time I try to leave this game, it pulls me back in somehow. I have never given up on the dream of EVE Online. I have never given up on the endless promise of tomorrow and the grand adventure of the far reaches of space.
I'm going to give you my cautious trust, CCP, one last time. Take me places I've never seen before and show me a world where impossible is a dirty word.
- Andrew
This so much. |
Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
Two things I am hanging on:
Quote:We all know that much quoted phrase, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.
and
Quote:What I can say for now is that weGÇÖve taken action to ensure these mistakes are never repeated.
You've taken the step of admitting the problem; you've sought help for it; and you've set forth courses of action to correct it. If you follow that prescription, success and a happy/healthy player base will as well. I applaud the steps taken so far, and will watch with keen interest on the rest. Thank you for bringing this to us, and fortune favor you in doing as you say! |
Orion GUardian
41
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:32:00 -
[136] - Quote
This devblog did surprise me, but in a positive fashion.
Kudos for being so open. |
omgthisiscrazyomg
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:32:00 -
[137] - Quote
We don't care about incarna! or avatars, or walking in stations, or barby dolls in space, or vampires, or even dusk 1111002348. We play this game because we like spaceships. Work on spaceships and we'll be happy. Add tech III frigates, spice up the PvP world, Fix bugs, make mission running and mining fun (not just replace them with incursions), polish the UI and make it WAAAAAAY more user friendly. You have to stop ignoring the fans that will actually stay after world of star wars comes out. So far all incarna has done is beak the game even more (read incursions) and added absolutely no valuable content for the players that really play this game for the sand box factor (read pvpers, manufacturers, traders). Players looking for easy isk (mission runners, mission runner/mining bots, incursion...ers?) want to play WoW in space. |
Sexy Moped
The Drones Club
17
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:33:00 -
[138] - Quote
Good blog. Sometimes you need to go back and find the source of the problem, after all, a city of dreams is made in heaven..... but this is what happens when the lights go out.
It's still your train set so don't let the idiots tell you otherwise (i think i will refrain from mentioning who they are, but they are at the beginning at the thread claiming they did everyone a favour). your respect is meaningless, and i only represent my constituents - not crybabies with entitlement complexes
-The Mittani 17.07.2011 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1549785&page=6#158 |
Dansel
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:34:00 -
[139] - Quote
Best devblog in a long time.
If you stay true to your word, nothing will stop you. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:34:00 -
[140] - Quote
+1
It takes balls to stand up in public and admit that you've messed up.
It takes more act on those mistakes.
But it really takes serious cake to wait until you actually had anything better to say than just "sorry".
Despite being hammered by people to publish what your reactions.
And thanks also to the CSM, for keeping the pressure up, taking their share of the heat, but staying on the job.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:34:00 -
[141] - Quote
So long since we'd heard from the boss I'd assumed he was dead.
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Acks
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:34:00 -
[142] - Quote
Obsidian Hawk wrote:Faith is being restored!
But above all else, communication is the key!
Many of us have been here as long or almost as long as EVE has been here. While I to am encouraged by the message, I remain cautiously optimistic.
What I take from this are some lines in the sand that we can measure against. We have a commitment on additional Dev Blogs as well as a outline for goals they will try to meet in the winter 2011 expansion.
EVE's pilots want to support CCP. We want to LOVE the game. Follow through, set realistic goals, meet your obligations.
Oh and for the love of all that is holy PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dedicate more resources to "the little things". There are so many daily paper cut issues / bugs in eve that at the end of a day of playing many of us are hemorrhaging. Most of these issues have been around for YEARS.
Sincerely, ACKS RONA Corporation RONA Directorate |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
288
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:34:00 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Hellmar wrote:Factional warfare needs to be fixed
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
19
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:36:00 -
[144] - Quote
Good read, seems honest - so thank you for that Hilmar.
It does read a lot like the concerns voiced by CSM5 over a year ago (and obviously also by CSM6 more recently), but better late than never :)
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
Graelyn
Wolfsbrigade
25
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:36:00 -
[145] - Quote
I have hope.
Hope has been burned before.
Hoping anyways! + Cardinal Graelyn +
Killing those who need it most! |
silentcurses
The Alpha and the Omega Inver Brass
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:37:00 -
[146] - Quote
Am glad to hear this, thanxs Hilmar
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:37:00 -
[147] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal? This bears repeating. Also, thanks for the words Hilmar, they actually mean a lot. |
Jonah Gravenstein
25
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:38:00 -
[148] - Quote
The apology and honesty displayed in this dev blog will go a fair way to restoring player confidence in CCP, especially if the actions actually speak louder than the words.
Recently it's all been words :( --CATPAIN KIRK wrote: your not black - I've seen you in that video. I meant you write like an american but speak a somewhat difrent langauge - a bit like scotish or sumthing.-- |
Arcon Telf
N0 APOLOGY Controlled Chaos
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:38:00 -
[149] - Quote
I say bravo. All people really ever need in this kind of situation is direct, authentic, honest communication.
The future of Eve remains bright. |
Mr Putter
Generic inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:39:00 -
[150] - Quote
Thank you for "Talking the talk". Now I hope that you "walk the walk". I am gladdened by what I have read but based on past history and performance, I will see what you do. I pray that you actually do "walk the walk". |
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Pandi V
LowProfile
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:39:00 -
[151] - Quote
I can imagine how hard writing this must have been Hilmar, respect!
This gives me a lot of hope for the future, both for EVE and CCP. Soul-searching and honesty on this scale is almost unheard of in this industry of untimeliness greed, laziness and incompetence.
We love EVE, that's why we complain, that's why we got so angry.. because we care about the game, because this game is so unique and because the community is just on a completely different level than most of the other mmo-communities out there.
So yea, keep at it :) |
Martyr 01
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:39:00 -
[152] - Quote
Well that was unexpected.
Thank you Hilmar. |
Victor Fenris
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:40:00 -
[153] - Quote
Apology accepted! Let`s move on... Victor Fenris
To the victor goes the spoils.... To Victor, not you!!!! |
XIRUSPHERE
Deadly Intent.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:41:00 -
[154] - Quote
A thank you is in order for the level and clarity of communication put out by Hilmar. There is a lot of honesty and heart in that blog and I wish we could see more of that level of communication. I would not imagine it being easy in any respect for a leader to come forward in such a way but you have mine and the communities respect for it.
If anything I would implore is that you don't stop now, the community wants to hear from you and wants to know your vision, don't hide it away like incarna or keep any of the shortcomings from us, just be open and share that passion we can see in your writing and we will be more than happy to help you make it real. |
Javelin6
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:41:00 -
[155] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
75
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:43:00 -
[156] - Quote
I am honestly stunned. I can't for the life of me come up with a rude, witty, sarcastic remark here, Hilmar's blog was albeit a bit dramatic yet at the same time, it sounded humble and sincerely so.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Azitek
Astrum Research
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:45:00 -
[157] - Quote
Thank you. I realize that wasn't easy, but it meant the world. |
Alef Mentuhemtap
Imperial Strippers Shortbus Riders Association
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:45:00 -
[158] - Quote
These are finally the words we were all been waiting for. Worse then making mistakes, is not assuming and repair them. Well done. Humbleness is something that Leaders sometime lack.
I hope Hilmar this is not only a Publicitaty stunt. We are all "Embracing" this new CCP posture. |
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:45:00 -
[159] - Quote
Epic brohooves await distribution (even to Fallout despite her constant oppression of ponies on the old forum >:| ) to CCP upon following through with this course of action. |
Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:46:00 -
[160] - Quote
There are a string of MMOs that have failed as a result of the People At The Top losing sight of what their customers want in lieu of their own vision for their game. This dev blog is an indication that EVE Online, a bad game, might get a little better. Angry propellers to you for eating some crow with your rotten shark. |
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Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:46:00 -
[161] - Quote
Thanks for finally stepping up and taking responsibility. Being able to admit some mistakes were made and repeatedly made is important.
Quote:I was wrong and I admit it. Is the most encouraging quote in a long time.
However, I am still not convinced that you realize fully where the mistakes were made. I'll take my time to point out what concerns remain even after this blog.
Quote:hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions. This worries me. How will you make sure those "experienced industry professionals" will maintain the uniqueness of EVE? Or is this a guarantee that we will end up with more managers completely out of touch with the community and the game they are actually creating?
Quote:The fact we didnGÇÖt leverage their [the incarna teams'] achievement more effectively is my fault. Could you elaborate on that? What mistake was made? Was too much pressure put on the teams or were too few resources allocated to EVE?
[continued in another post due to forums, and yes they bloody ate my first post ] |
Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:46:00 -
[162] - Quote
Quote:From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps [regarding virtual goods] because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. I'm still not convinced micro transactions are the way forward for EVE and it really saddens me to see EVE move in that direction. In the end what seems at play here is EVE being able to make CCP more money. To me -- I realize this is fully subjective, but I bet I am not the only one to feel this way-- MTs really break the level playing field -- whether it is vanity or not. Not to mention that the NEX store is a huge immersion breaker. In short: I am still not convinced this move is to create a better player experience. I see it as a way for CCP to make more money at my expense while delivering as little as possible in return.
Quote:more accessible to general audiences So you gained a niche market with EVE and now want to expand. Am I the only one getting the feeling that incarna is an entirely seperate game from EVE as a result? Maybe it could have been released as such (similar to DUST). What I would have liked though is for incarna not to be a wholly seperate game, but fully in the spirit of EVE (and as a result without MTs for instance ).
Quote:Part of what led us down this path is the fact we have not communicated well. This is a recurring theme, but in the end your biggest failure lies in achieving nothing towards unleashing EVE's full FIS potential for years now.
Quote:I fervently believe with all my heart that weGÇÖve not even scratched the surface of EVEGÇÖs potential. My personal failing is not reconciling that passion with pragmatism. Those are pretty words. However, CCP have invested tremendously in the development of other games. I doubt these investments were all made purely in the interest of EVE. I believe your blog fails to fully acknowledge that even though it hints at it.
That said, I have more hope now than I did before the blog, so in any case it's a step in the right direction. Many thanks again to the CSM for defending the player's vision of EVE. |
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:47:00 -
[163] - Quote
7 or 8 years plus change and I'm still playing this game. Nearly half my life, and EVE's so common everyone in my family except my mother plays it to some degree.
I am pleased to see this declaration, and I think results will bring about a reinvigorated faith in the company. Not everything will go perfectly, but acknowledging that clearly for everyone to see is a big thing. |
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:48:00 -
[164] - Quote
CCP Hellmar wants to be one of us again ! You know, our corp can use a humble Capsuleer like you. Come mine with us ! |
Trotula
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
One of three account expired last week and I put it on the shelf. In the next 7 days another will expire and it also is going on the shelf. The last of the three accounts expires towards the end of the month, and it too shall go on the shelf.
You have proven quite strongly that what you say is not what I should be concerned with, but with what you do. Rewarding more PR wordsmithing , smoke and mirrors with my subscription money is NOT what is going to occur.
I'll be rewarding another developer of a sci-fi MMO that launches soon with my subscription money for the next year or two. Though I doubt it, maybe by that time your actions will reflect the shallow promises made recently. At that time I will evaluate if CCP deserves to be rewarded with my support and subscription.
I honestly don't expect that I'll be back though, I still get the overall impression that you are still vastly disconnected from what your playerbase wants to see occur. |
Gallion
GALACTIC GUARDIAN KNIGHTS
285
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:49:00 -
[166] - Quote
Im a vet, Guess what Im looking forward to? Each change GOOD and BAD. So in realization I say this message was serious Biz-niz. & I don't care what other players think---
GO CCP & GO HILMAR! This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Important Internet Spaceship League
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:49:00 -
[167] - Quote
Much respect. Less bittervet, more Eve addict once more. |
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CCP Wrangler
61
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:50:00 -
[168] - Quote
To sort out the name thing. His real name is Hilmar and his dev name is CCP Hellmar.
And yes, when reading the draft I had some tears too. Wrangler Community Team Manager - Community Arch Wizard
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement. - Winston Churchill |
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azreal j
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:50:00 -
[169] - Quote
nice blog lets keep this direction going and we can make eve great again |
Forum Bug
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:51:00 -
[170] - Quote
Thank heavens for that, so nice to hear that you hear us, so nice to know that you are on our side now. The apology is accepted now lets build the best dam game together.
One last point please reverse the ps3 decision with dust? |
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Caterpillar
AUS Corporation CORE.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
Maybe it's my age-induced cynicism playing up again, because as I was applauding what appeared to be a very brave and welcome post, I started to wonder what might have moved him to write it.
Could it have been, for example, that someone had just dropped a report on his desk showing that significantly more subscriptions were being allowed to expire than were being renewed? If that was the case, the blog is a very astute business move, albeit one of a limited range of options open to him.
Maybe I should stop "looking a gift horse in the mouth" and just see how it goes.
If he is true to his word, everybody wins. :) |
Marinaar
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:52:00 -
[172] - Quote
Bravo Hilmar , for finally stepping up to the plate !
As a capsuleer who has been here through almost 4 yrs.of EVElife contributing to all CCP's paychecks literally. I pray that all your well placed words will carry Weight & Consequence , and that the CSM who by being voted to lead us all as our collective voice to CCP , will have their Opinions and Suggestions Carry real weight & Consequence within the CCP ranks as well. I hope for real and sufficient change. Who needs all the sparkly fluff if the core product has become flawed ? Not me ! |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:52:00 -
[173] - Quote
CCP Wrangler wrote:To sort out the name thing. His real name is Hilmar and his dev name is CCP Hellmar. And yes, when reading the draft I had some tears too.
i was starting to think that i am getting a bit gey :->
Hillmar is so going to get a beer from me on fanfest, **** it, you all are going to get a beer from me on fanfest, if this stuff happens! ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Eloriena
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:56:00 -
[174] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar. I have been in your position as the CEO of a software company that disappointed its customers and I know how hard what you have just done is, but it was the right thing to do.
To turn your words into action is going to need CCP to re-connect with the player base in all of its many forms; from the nullsec pirates all the way to the Empire space carebears. Even new players need to be considered so that they don't feel like they are the last ones to arrive at the party after everyone else has got drunk and eaten all the food.
The CSM is a good idea but I would like to see it represent the entire Eve community a little more proactively, for example CSM members could represent certain constituencies and hold town-hall meeting or surgeries to get ideas and feedback. Similarly, CCP could introduce more democracy into the decisions about what needs to be improved and which development requests get prioritized.
Does CCP have any employees who have good pattern-recognition skills that can mine the immense amount of data that Eve must generate to see where things can be improved. For example, which ships are flown the least, and why? How many players rarely venture into lowsec and what could be done to encourage them? Which ships are overpowered and what ideas could be introduced to counter them?
I'm sure that you get the idea!
I hope we can help you make your vision for Eve happen. E |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:57:00 -
[175] - Quote
"In short, my zeal for pushing EVE to her true potential made me lose sight of doing the simple things right."
Well, that's just a crock of ****.
"But we found a way because EVE is something unique in the world."
That's a helluva non sequitur.
"Removing ship spinning was a negligent oversight ..."
That's just not true. It was a deliberate, conscious decision that faced lots of vocal opposition well before it was executed.
"Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."
Let me be blunt: Get rid of aurum. No MT other than PLEX. Weasel-wording about 'unfair' advantages isn't any more palatable now than it was 3 months ago.
"... we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past."
More like monthly subscriptions increasing has become a thing of the past.
"If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community."
Bullshit. Your old revenue model works just fine. That's why EVE is your 'golden goose.'
"EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences."
Do not want.
"In 2007, we faced a similar crisis of confidence, and it resulted in the creation of the CSM. WeGÇÖre a better company because of it."
The CSM is a joke and other than CSM V always has been. Why are you still pretending otherwise?
"I need to do a better job of pursuing that vision without diluting or marginalizing the things that are greatGÇöor could be greatGÇöabout the game right now."
No, jefe, not 'without diluting'. You need to focus on excellence, like we've been telling you for years. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:57:00 -
[176] - Quote
Let me summarize for everyone: Hi I'm Hlimar I'm sorry we are not making as much money as I had projected. I understand that the eve player base is not happy with the direction I am taking the game. I think they are dumb and will continue in the direction that I have been going and will try and reword it in as many ways as necessary until they accept my vision.
It is just crazy how out of touch Hilmar seems to be. This only confirms what I have said from day 1 of Incarna. There is no hope for Eve as long as Hilmar is still there.
Eve has attracted the kind of people that do not enjoy the game experience that comes from being marketed to. I my self left WoW when I was paying $15 per month to be marketed to. I specifically chose a game that only made money on my monthly fees. Micro-transactions change the game experience. In this day and age when people are running away from materialism and waking up to the soul sucking that perpetual marketing is you will see the number of people looking for a game like what eve used to be growing.
Even with the mass exodus that has resulted from your failures all that you have to say is maybe I did not explain myself well enough? Clueless is all I can say. clueless. |
Allie Burton
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:57:00 -
[177] - Quote
Thanks for that blog Hilmar: because it gives hope and perspective again to us the players and also because it certainly has been hard for you to travel the path of changing your mind and admitting mistakes as you do.
I don't know if all you dream are possible but at least I feel like I'm willing to take and try the journey with CCP again ! |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:58:00 -
[178] - Quote
I must confess I shed a manly tear too
Don't worry too much over you mistake Hilmar. As a CEO you must be confident about your decisions, and sometimes you just get too confident. The real mistake would have been to continue on the wrong path because of misplaced pride or stubbornness. You didn't, and for that you deserve all our respect.
Just of word of advice: We players are simple folk. Unlike woman, you have to give us what we ask, not what you think we want |
Master Akira
Shiva Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:00:00 -
[179] - Quote
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa108/KalaNag/bittervet_redemption1.jpg |
Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:00:00 -
[180] - Quote
Nice move! My opinion stays the same: The move is on you. Don't screw things up in the future and try to actually improve your game. Reearn the trust of your playerbase. |
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Tel 'Peh
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:01:00 -
[181] - Quote
@HilmarVeigar I think it took a lot of courage to reflect on yourself as you did. Respect! I hope to be a part of that new Eve Online |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:01:00 -
[182] - Quote
Top bloggin' bossman!
Glad to see you don't share David Cameron's speech writers!
I am very much looking forward to the next 18 months of development after reading this and I selfishly hope for both our sakes it is a great success. For me at least, this blog does re-lay the foundations for that trust to be rebuilt. Good work.
Cheers. |
Zendon Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:01:00 -
[183] - Quote
this is what ive been waiting for. huzzah! |
Night Epoch
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:03:00 -
[184] - Quote
+1 CCP |
Reeno Coleman
44
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:04:00 -
[185] - Quote
It's a nice read. We'll talk after Christmas. |
Rhapsodyy
EXTERMINATUS. Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:05:00 -
[186] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal?
Agreed |
Fergus Nuada
Intercision
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:05:00 -
[187] - Quote
Respect for saying what you did. Just don't forget how this happened in the first place and don't let it happen again.
On a positive step, it sounds like a mistuned engine just chugging along is now perhaps getting serviced and will be purring smoothly once again. Inspirational leadership creates happy staff.
Will be waiting to see the results... |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
51
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:06:00 -
[188] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Negativestatus wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Our CEO, CCP Hellmar has something to say to all of you in his new dev blog. Please read what he has to say and feel free to leave your feedback right here in the comment thread. A letter like that should also be sent out via email for those that don't check the site regularly :). Can't wait for what the future brings, you guys have done an amazing job so far. Keep it up! -- Neg That's a good idea. And to unsubbed players as well. no. bad idea.
these guys wont accept issues on the state they are on. if you give them hope again, and it goes wrong, it will be way harder to make them try again later.
better wait a bit, they will either learn it by themselves, or mail them when it's not words but content. way better this way.
but don't "force" them to look while it's too soon. |
Screenlag
Beyond The Gates Tri Sol Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:08:00 -
[189] - Quote
Excellent post. As I feel my faith have been restored to higher point than it was before, it has to be partly because of your writing. |
Dodgy Past
Digital Fury Corporation Northern Coalition.
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:08:00 -
[190] - Quote
Now that was Fearless.
Was an important though I should imagine difficult step to start the process of rebuilding trust. |
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Chester Munchensenten
The Lucky Bible Company
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:09:00 -
[191] - Quote
Quote:EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences.
This should scare the hell out of anyone reading.
It means they are not developing for you. But rather, they are developing for people who have never spent a dime with CCP. |
Jaggins
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:09:00 -
[192] - Quote
Well said, H. I recommend logging into your secret nullsec alt (we all know you have one!) and spending a few days roaming and shooting reds. It will be a healing experience, and then you can navigate EVE back onto the course of greatness with renewed vigor and bloodthirst. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:09:00 -
[193] - Quote
Better late than never.
Take care to not repeat the past and we'll accept your apology. |
backtrace
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:10:00 -
[194] - Quote
Am I dreaming? At last!
BRB resubbing my alts. |
mkint
115
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:10:00 -
[195] - Quote
I did get a few spine tinglies. I saw a few things that hinted that the real problems were being addressed, and not just bandaid conciliatory solutions.
I have a rule though... once you know someone is a charismatic speaker, beware. I've known enough salesmen and shills, sincere as they might be about what they were saying, only ultimately caring about their own self interests.
This blog itself was a good business decision. Whether it actually means anything is yet to be revealed. However *cautious optimism* regardless what I may think of salesmen in CEO positions. |
Ebon Rue
Not A Pink Elephant
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:11:00 -
[196] - Quote
"Factional warfare needs to be fixed. "
Did... did, did he actually admit that? o_O
*Mind, Blown!* |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:11:00 -
[197] - Quote
Phew. I must admit, THIS Hilmar, I like a lot more. A strong commitment to the future of the spaceship simulator is all I wanted. Please, do bring forth more Eve alongside that, but not at the expense of spaceships gettin' love.
My account still doesn't run out 'til April, which means I'm nicely positioned now to wait and see on the winter expansion, and at least some sort of details on next summer.
Apology accepted, hopes raised.
Komen. |
Azziej
Rize Industries.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:12:00 -
[198] - Quote
At the moment i am only concerned about micropayments (AUD)...
Get that **** out NOW! |
Tactalan
Argon .Inc STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:12:00 -
[199] - Quote
Bravo Hilmar. Now please follow it up with actions. |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:13:00 -
[200] - Quote
CCP Prism X wrote:Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that. Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example.
/hug
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:14:00 -
[201] - Quote
:< |
Pfeng Tchuy
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:15:00 -
[202] - Quote
Didn-¦t expect that, i am positively surprised. Time will tell... +1 |
Mynxee
Veto. Veto Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:15:00 -
[203] - Quote
Admitting so many errors in judgment can't have been easy. Taking steps to correct what's been going wrong for while is surely costly and difficult. But much needed. So...thank you. And because one good turn deserves another, I've resubbed for 90 days, as a show of faith (can't play due to lack of time + connection limits but the resub is symbolic anyway). Will be watching what you do...the ball's in your court, CCP. Go, go, go!
Many thanks to the CSM for their efforts in pushing for the refocus on flying in space, which I know have been considerable even if they are not alway observable. Keep cracking the whip of reason, space councilors!
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Tyme Xandr
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:20:00 -
[204] - Quote
I've only been playing this game since 2006 but I think I have a good feel of what goes on with the EVE Community/CCP relationship and I continually (ever-so-much-more lately) see CCP reiterate the same thing over and over again: "We will continue to work on our communication with the players."
When will this be occurring? It appears that it hasn't already, yes?
I am excited to hear about the FW fixes coming soon and I hope that the many threads located in the F&I/Assembly Hall sections have been looked at. There have been many great ideas that haven't even had a simple response from anyone worth anything within CCP regarding this issue.
Sorry about my English/grammar, it isn't my first language. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
47
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:20:00 -
[205] - Quote
Quote: The tragedy here is that the team really did build solid technology and great art to support what you can see and did it in way that sets a strong foundation for building out the rest. The fact is, in spite of our missteps, they delivered some of the most amazing interior rendering and character technology in the industry, and their efforts deserve praise. The fact we didnGÇÖt leverage their achievement more effectively is my fault.
I totally agree, absolutely amazing work they've done. Kudos to you gents. I have been continuously blown away by your efforts and attention to detail.
I'm glad you're admitting the NEX Store issues. I believe it has a great source of revenue potential for you, but it really has been set off on the wrong foot - setting it back on the right schedule will take some great effort. Please set some items under 1000 AUR, preferably around the 100-200 AUR Range - make them simple shirts, nothing fancy, some easy designs... but give us customization on a simple "Hanes T-Shirt" level as much as on a $1000 jeans level.
I'm surprised you targeted FW after the totaly void it has experienced. It is potentially one of the most helpful introductory parts of EVE for PVP and purposeful action - but it has none of that now. But even as I write that it makes sense. Make FW Purposeful enough to get new players involved and having fun - give them purpose and action, give them an outlet to get recruited and show their skills and abilities and then you will reinforce the new member base with players. I see this as an admittance in a way that you will not regain some subscribers - that you are looking to rebuild the foundation for the expansion back into null sec for players as an organized force that has a chance of making it a possibility for the future to retain new players.
Thanks for listening and taking a step back for the benefit of us all. Excellently written and expressed.
YARRRRRRRRRRRR
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:21:00 -
[206] - Quote
Thank you. |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS. Aesir Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:23:00 -
[207] - Quote
Thank you. Quite a bit of faith restored with that blog. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:27:00 -
[208] - Quote
This is what we have been waiting for since the summer of rage. I fear it is too late now. |
Mick Jabber
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:27:00 -
[209] - Quote
Loved it, now for the follow thru. |
Myxx
Atropos Group Celestial Imperative
76
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:27:00 -
[210] - Quote
oh hey look, hilmar and zulu posted something other than watch this space.
good job. do it more. |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:30:00 -
[211] - Quote
Hilmar, you undermine Zulu when you let him post his non-content blog and then wait 13 days to "make up" with players.
The sad fact is that CCP has already lost all trust capital you once had. Your words mean nothing. As one of those who played this game for what is approaching to be a decade, I somehow still appreciated your devblog, but as you put it yourself: In the coming days and weeks, the details of this plan and what it means for you will be unveiled.
What will be said there, is what matters. And if you do happen to listen to us rabble crowd, then I got one advice for you - make sure neither you, nor your staff, write blogs when you can't follow it up with content within 24hours, preferably sub 12. Let alone two weeks. You could make it as simple as stating that you cannot release any information at a point, and preferably give a timeframe. Posting "watch this space", then insulting players in the replies, and leaving it two weeks before you (again) post a non-content blog is quite insulting, and disturbing. You somehow already improved on this, since Zulu's winter-expansion blog came three minutes after yours.
The best tip anyone could give you is to stop the poor communication. The lack of, and the slow one, which is the two versions you use, are both bad. Straight to the point, honest, open, is something you don't do.. but would do (very) well to utilize. Good luck. Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Eowarian D
Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:31:00 -
[212] - Quote
Apologies accepted.
Takes courage to write a letter like that. Thanks for sharing it Hilmar! |
Moirae Nemesis
Improvised Exploration Division
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:31:00 -
[213] - Quote
thank you ccp &hilmar for restoring some of my faith in you.
i have always found it funny how you do not contact the community more before big announcements. just as some joke math, say you ccp invest some 38 hours per week into this game per employee. some people invest 50 or more and pay for it... to me that tells that a big part of the real know how is in the player base, especially when it comes to balancing game play issues!
on that vanity items thing. i would love to see things you can buy for your corp. say a possibility for corp members to put a small corp logo on their ships e.g. or similar things.
getting close to being able to proudly say <3 ccp again. |
Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:35:00 -
[214] - Quote
It is a big man, that admits that he is wrong! It is a bigger man that takes steps to correct the wrong.
You've taken a step in the right direction. I am keen to see your actions in the immediate and long term future.
Good luck on your journey CCP. Know that we, the players, want you to succeed in making EVE better. |
Alundil
The Unnamed. Novum Militis ExParte
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:38:00 -
[215] - Quote
I honestly loved reading this. Well said. I am looking forward to this renewed "EVE Online" focus.
Props go to Hilmar for the admission and sobering soul searching. And to the rest of the devs and CSM and community for having the patience to get to this point. |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:40:00 -
[216] - Quote
These can't have been easy words to write Hilmar, and I'm suprised and impressed that this blog was so brutally honest. If you guys can follow through on the promise to work on those structural probems that contributed to the disconnect, then eve has a bright future indeed.
We're all going to be watching your actions with caution, but you've given me some more hope that CCP will avoid repeating some of those mistakes. |
Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:40:00 -
[217] - Quote
That can't have been eaasy to write and post.
Thank you. |
Jith
Rising Ashes Inc.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:41:00 -
[218] - Quote
This was unexpected and im genuenley I'm suprised. But again, its what you do from here, not what you say. Still, im very very pleased with this. |
Fracture Antollare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:41:00 -
[219] - Quote
I'm surprised given the level of input and involvement of the EVE community that such problems arise. There is still plenty of low-hanging fruit to pick, and dozens of helpful people like FNG, Azual, Chribba, The CSM (especially Saleen and Mittani) and many more giving CCP our valuable insights. Massively and Tentonhammer are also helping give a voice to the community as a whole.
As a new player, I'd strongly suggest reading their posts about the new-player experience and am happy that the unrest is being met with humility. |
Stormaxe Titanothere
Accelerated Learning Inc. Zero Hour Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:41:00 -
[220] - Quote
Well said, and it is good to see your insight. I am still a fan and will still continue to be a part of your fan base, as long as you continue to do your best and fix your mistakes as soon as you can. Thank you |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
59
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:41:00 -
[221] - Quote
In a previous post I wrote this
Vincent Athena wrote:"We watch what you do, not what you say"
If you really think that's true, and nothing CCP says has value, do you think they should say anything?
Its odd, as I see two lines of thought going on in the forums. One is the above, and the other is CCP does not communicate enough. But as soon as CCP does communicate, they get slapped down with the above statement.
So what do we want them to do?
My suggestion:
Say what you do. Do what you say. We watch both.
Then in CCP Hellmar's blog I read this:
"But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward."
and I had to look under my chair in order to retrieve my jaw.
Thanks. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:44:00 -
[222] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal?
QFT. Well said. |
Ancy Denaries
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:46:00 -
[223] - Quote
A heartfelt "thank you" to you from me Hilmar. That takes a LOT of courage to step up and say you were wrong, and you have my utmost respect for it. We can only go forward from here. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:46:00 -
[224] - Quote
CCP Hellmar wrote: Removing ship spinning was a negligent oversight and a clear sign that we had fallen out of touch with our community.
The spin doctor who wrote that (does someone think those are Hilmar's words?) really think of the community as a bunch of morons. It's not an oversight when you are warned multiple times and defiantly reply that the feature is a goner and won't be back.
Then I'm almost hearing you scourging yourself, and that's music to my hears, now when start to see acts after words, I for one will resub my cancelled accounts. This game is so close yet so far to be really good, it's a shame that overstretching the company put us all in such a quagmire. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:46:00 -
[225] - Quote
You know CCP Himlar , you were only forced to implement NEX store because you neglected EVE and subscribers started to get sick of current policy.
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Immortal DeathKnight
The Shadow Plague Gentlemen's Agreement
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:46:00 -
[226] - Quote
i really doubt that the Hilmar guy wrote the blog, but still a plus, and a step in the right direction
i was thinking to quit eve, now i would like to see the new cap nerf, new ships etc. maybe it is still hope for EVE after all |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
64
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:47:00 -
[227] - Quote
committing mistakes and learning from them is always the best way to learn about it. Hopefully this blog will restore faith in many people.
now me, I'll wait and see as always, this time quite more hopeful than before. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
99
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:47:00 -
[228] - Quote
Thank you very much.
Interesting times ahead.
I hope it's not too late already. A lot of my ingame friends left the game. I just hope the winter expansion will bring some of them back!
+1 to CCP
Lets see what the future brings... Fix FW ! |
Lee Wai
Domination. Legion of The Damned.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:49:00 -
[229] - Quote
Props for writing this man.. Now I hope and trust you will carry out these written intentions. :) |
HyperZerg
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:52:00 -
[230] - Quote
Wow....
better late then never.
Want to restore the trust the community had in you ? Remove all AUR related stuff and bring it back when it's read |
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Kina Ayami
Shin Hikage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:54:00 -
[231] - Quote
The first good step in the right direction. Now keep it going, make eve flourish :)
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Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:54:00 -
[232] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar, for admitting failure. There is trust back in the community. |
Ponder Yonder
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:55:00 -
[233] - Quote
A sincere thank you, Hilmar.
I look forward with hope and great anticipation to the future of Eve.
-- Fly Reckless |
Logicycle
Chaos Gate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:59:00 -
[234] - Quote
Wise Words. Nice to read. Thx. I never thought that the "controversy" was that big of a deal anyways.
P.S. Since you are in the mood to fix things.. Can you give me back my old Eos before it was nerfed down to a kitty cat in a pink tutu. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
343
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:00:00 -
[235] - Quote
Well, thats why I'm still playing after eight and a half years.
Its nice to see the leader of CCP rediscovering the art of doing things differently and learning to love the spaceships again!
Seriously, its a good blog and I'm happy the revolutionary spirit in New Eden this summer has had what looks to be a good outcome.
That said, I still hate NeX!
On the point of alternative revenue to make up for falling monthly subs model - the truth is staring you in the face still. PleX is microtransactions in a form that Eve can live with. RL rich players buy plex for for $ to convert to ISK via the market in order to buy flashy spaceships. The end.
There really isn't a need (or potential) for reinventing the wheel on this.
If you want to increase revenue via PleX invent isk sinks.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:00:00 -
[236] - Quote
After a long period where you guys have said alot of dumb stuff, this is a step in the right direction. Well done. Now make sure the next steps are similarly positive.
One nit-pick, however:
Quote: The game needs new ships
EVE has nearly 250 different ships, the problem is that probably three quarters of these are either outright worthless or massively outclassed by other options. Balance the existing range first, then worry about whether its wise to add more.
(Not that I expect this to be read down on page 12 or 13, but thought I'd add it anyway) |
Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:01:00 -
[237] - Quote
Huh. You actually correctly repeated more or less every point we were screaming at you during the now internet-famous Jita 4 protest. ...with a bit of self-criticism to boot. Nice work.
...Let me guess; you really DID have an appreciable dip in subscriptions, didn't you? We told you we would vote with our feet, didn't we?
I still have to ask - if you're aware that all these issues were and are so unpopular, why are they still up and implemented? You want to *really* impress us? Cut the captain's quarters until it's ready, bring down the vanity item prices, and maybe put in some new content that's not solely geared to people in 1000-man corps.
Overall, I endorse this somewhat less defensive and arrogant approach big-time. Maybe I'll even play some Eve? |
Dorn Val
Defective Clones
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:01:00 -
[238] - Quote
I only have one word for you Mr. Hilmar:
Respect |
Tairon Usaro
The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:02:00 -
[239] - Quote
Before i came to EVE i had played star wars galaxies for 2 years. Sony Online Entertainment obviously had lost the relationship with their fan base & community and instead of trying to fix it, they decided to ignore it and opted for the big numbers of WoW by attracting new customers with a completed revamp called New Game Experience, converting a good sandbox into a mediocre theme park game. Their arrogance peaked, when they started marketing and pre-selling game features, which were to be removed with the revamp 2 month later. This made me cancel all my accounts and compel SOE to refund the pre-ordered expansions. The final impetus to my decision were letters to the community written by John Smedley, CEO of SOE, where he tryed to justifiy their business decision of revamping the game towards NGE, but only proved that he does not have the slightes clue of game and its community. Even today - 5 years after - i am in anger with Sony and try to avoid to purchase Sony products ... any products, not just computer games .....
Fortunately, the reminiscence of this desaster i had with EVE for the last 6-12 month has ended as of today. I acknowledge, that CCP is aware of having temporarily lost their Mojo and has initiated or already implemented steps to regain it.
looking forward to see these changes enter the game !
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:03:00 -
[240] - Quote
ITT: CCP shitting in their pants because subscriptions are going down |
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Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:03:00 -
[241] - Quote
wow |
Lucio Varo
Aklo Srl
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:05:00 -
[242] - Quote
just words for now. I hope actions will follow |
Kimsemus
Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:06:00 -
[243] - Quote
After reading the blog, I only have this to say:
Very well, Hellmar, old friend. You have my bow. |
Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:08:00 -
[244] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar! You've restored some of my faith in EVE and in CCP. Now, deliver and blow our minds once again |
Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:08:00 -
[245] - Quote
Kimsemus wrote:After reading the blog, I only have this to say:
Very well, Hellmar, old friend. You have my bow.
And my axe!!!1!
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mkint
117
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:12:00 -
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I think I just figured out when we will really know if there has been a change. It's not the "we're losing subs like crazy, damage control it!" moments. It's not the "we're so sorry, please don't unsub" moments.
We really won't know if there has been a change until a brand new feature roles out, and CCP can successfully listen to the players' words of caution while still ignoring the "I want a pony, and a BB gun" crowd (even though ponies and bb guns totally rock.) There will be lots of opportunities for this in the balancing and iteration stuff listed in Zulu's blog, but it's in new features where CCP has consistently failed. |
Blake Sheffield
Dark Shadow Industries Associated Deviants
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:15:00 -
[247] - Quote
A+++++ would read again |
Jita Alt666
310
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:15:00 -
[248] - Quote
Hellmer = Hilmar?
This blog sounds nice. It should have been written and delivered on June 30th. However, CCP appear to have realised they need to keep delivering product we want not product they want to deliver. Lots of management speak with a suitable level of contriteness. This blog helps appease the burning rage.
Zulu's blog makes me happy. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:17:00 -
[249] - Quote
Speaking as a 2003 player, I find Hilmar's apology to be long overdue and quite acceptable. Well written and seemingly sincere. I look forward to the future efforts.
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Rev Blackblade
Dark Spear Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:17:00 -
[250] - Quote
Apology Accepted, I never doubted you for a second
I eagerly await a re-dedication to the the only game worthy of this level of trial to its life and longevity.
Any other game would have crumbled under the pressure. It is a testimony to the power of EVE when even after all we have been through together, you offer your hand , and we take it unquestioningly.
Welcome back, you were missed.
-Rev |
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Commander Logar
C.O.T
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:21:00 -
[251] - Quote
This is the blog we were waiting for.
This blog should be written long a go to relief the community.
Anyway its not too late. Looks like my friends and me getting back to game again.
I'd like to quote this from Hilmar.
" Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs. " |
PMolkenthin
TunDraGon
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:22:00 -
[252] - Quote
Can't wait to get new PVP ships. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:23:00 -
[253] - Quote
Thank you!
This really goes help restore faith that was wavering. I really hope this new focus and honesty continues and I am sure that if it does your vision will be realised and any damage that has been done can be repaired.
Looking forward to seeing the future developments.
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orlando carlo
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:25:00 -
[254] - Quote
well said now lets see if we can't get this done together. |
Bleys Firedance
Alien Pancake Bonanza
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:25:00 -
[255] - Quote
receiving incoming transmission: This is the first boarding call for Flight CCP New Direction requesting all New Eden capsuleers who would like to experience this to board at will for the long journey ahead.
+1 from me for these blogs they are certainly a step in the direction I'm interested in seeing EVE take. Now all that's left is for implementation of these ideas and reflections to take place so I can once again get back to one of my favourite activities of blowing crap up.
P.S. I do pray though that our pilot Captain Hilmar doesn't get drunk and pass out on the flight controls again causing this ship to spiral out of control in an unknown direction. |
Nisd
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:26:00 -
[256] - Quote
<3 |
Zeke Megadeth
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:28:00 -
[257] - Quote
Finally |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
34
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:28:00 -
[258] - Quote
lets get this show rolling, shall we? |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
247
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:29:00 -
[259] - Quote
Jamaican Herbsman wrote:Kimsemus wrote:After reading the blog, I only have this to say:
Very well, Hellmar, old friend. You have my bow. And my axe!!!1!
And my keyboard!!
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Needa3
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:30:00 -
[260] - Quote
/me applauds quietly Nice blog Hillmar, i think one that needed to be there a while ago. It takes courage to admit mistakes, no denying that. Nevertheless it is too little and way too late IMO. It took more than a few months coming to this conclusion? Yet the path taken with the upcoming expansion is still not enough to get your veteran players back. IGÇÖm afraid you veteran base has still been left out. You know, those players and corporations that used to make Eve the sandbox it used to be. The sandbox that used to draw corporations like Burn Eden towards Eve day in and day out. That same sandbox that created a lot of superb players and corporations. It was a never-ending circle where CCP pushed us to the end of our gaming abilities to come up with tactics an innovative game play, in return CCP came up with better servers, better game play. A game driven by players and game designers alike. Where designers were able to play the game to know what was needed and what was needed to be fixed or implemented. Everything collapsed as soon as the number of subscriptions started to guide the game evolution. CCP wanted 2 months old characters to get into 0.0 ASAP, faced with 6 year old veteran characters the newbies got their arses handed. Their cries and their wines were all that mattered, nerfing the crap out of modules and ships became the solution to all the tears. Up till now I still wonder way. Webs countered nano, nano countered jams and damps, jams countered webs, damps countered snipers, snipers countered tackle and/ or dps. Your game was perfect. It was a sandbox we only could dream of. What would the enemy bring and what can we do about it? I remember the first engagement where a carrier was put into fight. Nowadays the game has become predictable: drake and hurricane blobs with their logi support or maelstrom/ abaddon blobs and their logis supported by the super cap blobs depending on the time of the day. Your sandbox turned into a mud pool where movement is limited and basically turned into everything except what you want the game to be. This post will probably get burnt into the ground by the Goons, their alts and the similar lemmings that hide behind the safety of their PC and their internet connection. Ironically they are the same people that buy you drinks and food on the fan fest nonstop once they know who you are. Your blog and the blog about the winter expansion might give you some lemmings back, however the veterans that helped you build Eve will stay away. As veterans we miss the raw, uncontrolled attitude that EVE had. The steep learning curve assured a certain level of players (both in game and out game). Frankly, every patch after Red Moon Rising has pushed this game more in the direction of Star Wars Galaxies. (and we know what happened there, right)?. New players are not meant to be up the same level as veterans. They are a welcome addition to the game , but they need time to grow as we once used to. The new patch is not going to change anything about that, more nerfs and so called GÇ£fixesGÇ¥ are throwing this game out of balance more and more. I donGÇÖt care if you or one of your Dev actually read this and I have even less hopes of anyone at CCP seeing the truth in it. (I donGÇÖt care at all of the GÇ£funGÇ¥ post with predictable content that will certainly follow from a certain type of players and alliances) Admitting you were mistaken is one thing, showing you have the courage to actually really fix the game is something really different. Must admit, your marketing department plays the masses well judging by the reactions of awesomeness people make. I canGÇÖt believe people how easily people can be keep happy with words only. Too bad I resubbed with this character just before the last patch, IGÇÖm stuck here for at least another 9 months. Lucky for me my other 7 accounts were GTC paid and will not go active anytime soon, unless you really fix the game.
As stated in the beginning, it is too little too late. The good thing is we have World of Tanks and Star Wars the Old Republic looks good.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:30:00 -
[261] - Quote
I believe this was a good step in the right direction.
We'll see what happens. |
dhunpael
Viperfleet Inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:32:00 -
[262] - Quote
thumbs up ^^ |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
64
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:33:00 -
[263] - Quote
thats a lot of words to ask people to stop unsubbing and resub there alt accounts isnt it? CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:33:00 -
[264] - Quote
If infact some of these things do come to pass. I will come back to EVE. I will keep a close eye on the forums in the months to come. He did say new ships right? |
Den Sethos
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:36:00 -
[265] - Quote
Thank you for listening to people around you It takes some real guts to do it.
Congratulations on what I hope will be a successful return to essentials |
Sturmwolke
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:39:00 -
[266] - Quote
Thank you, interesting letter.
It was a cascade of mistakes after mistakes that brought down EVE to level it is now. For long time regular players (that includes myself), it wasn't hard to see the entire EVE environment trending down from its heydays. You can use numbers and stats to confirm the trend, but always, the early warning signs can be picked up from the amount of anti-CCP noise in the forums .... instead of game mechanic/gameplay noises which used to litter the forums. The frequency of chatter in the NPC corp channels and Newbie forum section is another indirect indicator. Your community managers play an important role into bringing these indirect signs to your attention - which is your first line of defence. So, if that was ignored, it was at your peril.
Let me point you to this article to get my point accross - http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/swinefluchatter/
Now from a personal viewpoint, the current CCP image (as a company) portrays incompetence and mismanagement - with very strong tendencies to repeat its mistakes. This was different from let's say circa 2007, where the general perception was positive. Granted I was new to EVE back then. The gradual erosion in trust, once destroyed, will take 10x as long to rebuild ... if ever. Word of mouth matters. Negative publicty through internet chatter matters very much. My question : Why o why in god's name did you let the slide continue? Are ye blind?
To end, as they say, successful businesses are built from several bankruptcies. It takes a strong person to learn from their mistakes to re-build into something successful. I'd personally prefer someone who has made mistakes, but also demonstrated they have learned from them - over anyone who hasn't made a mistake. Only time will tell. The community will observing these so called changes.
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JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:39:00 -
[267] - Quote
Quote:Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what [people] do and less of what they say.
Right with you there, bro.
/JTK |
Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:40:00 -
[268] - Quote
in my experience its very rare for someone in leadership to look inside themselves like this and admit they made mistakes.
o7 respect for this blog.
I find it interesting, and a bit sad, that it where strong and positive emotions and spirit that brought these problems with them.
I've seen this kind of thing before: personally and on a bigger scale. Strong emotions, both positive and negative, can have dire consequences when not tempered by wisdom. I find it annoying how easily my emotions can drag me down a certain path, and no matter how much I try to guard against this, it seems to be a strong part of human nature.
One can see why the Jove tried to control their emotions through genetics....
eh, sorry for these silly philosophical waxings, but a great blog.
Lets see what the future holds. |
Nendail Smith
Space Tech Innovations S.T.C.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:42:00 -
[269] - Quote
Innominate wrote:After the last several months of combative, dismissive, and downright vague dev blogs, this is a breath of fresh air.
My hope for the future of the game has been restored.
I agree. I have many accounts and I have been tempted to dump them all the last few months. This letter has re-kindled a small amount of hope in me when it comes to CCP.
CCP Hellmar wrote: "The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience."
If you hold this mindset regardless of the difficulty of that task you will un-doubtedly be on the way to being one of the best companies (not just games) in the world. Quality customer service is something that has long been undervalued in our worlds society lately.
Remember, you want to provide a great product, but above that, you want that product to be sellable. You can not sell coal to a person who is looking to buy finished diamonds. I hope you take seriously your words, and listen to the pulse of your user base moving forward.
Writing that letter was, I'm sure, very humbling. As daily user of your product I greatly appreciate your candor and anxiously await the observation of your actions. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:45:00 -
[270] - Quote
On one hand, "Wow, they will do what some players have been asking for years"
On the other hand, they will not do anything for me, not even cut down those bloody ludicrous NEx prices. No new Solo PvE content. No Solo/Casual endgame content. Nothing. Do the same that was doable 3 years ago (well, minus Lvl5, plus the five epic arcs).
I guess that here I am in the wrong side of "you can't please everybody", but nonetheless it's my 340 euros a year, some 800 Gé¼ since i began playing EVE, and fixing the troubles of nullsec bitchers it's not worth that kind of money. I should had never left X3: Reunion |
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N1gella Laws0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:47:00 -
[271] - Quote
CCP Hellmar's Blog wrote:In short, my zeal for pushing EVE to her true potential
It's good to see that, now, after everything so far, you still have not got the first clue what the problem is. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:48:00 -
[272] - Quote
Was assuming we'd never see this. Glad to be wrong. Takes a big man with a heavy heart to admit such things. Welcome back to the game. Now let's get cracking on those improvements.
Onward and upward from here, until the stars grow cold.
And oh look, my subscription runs out tomorrow.
And SUDDENLY... 3 months added. |
Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:48:00 -
[273] - Quote
I wasn't really hating before like a lot of people but this is still good to hear. |
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:49:00 -
[274] - Quote
Very straight and to the point. Sounded very sincere too. Having read this instead of looking at a face and listening to a voice, this is about as good an apology as any I've ever read.
As I've told my children many times, saying sorry only actually means anything if you are truly sorry the error occurred and will do your best to never repeat it. Being good for a little while then going back to the way you were before is just a sneaky bit of lying.
Everyone makes mistakes in the life, whether it is personal or professional. How we make up for our mistakes, how we try to make things better, shows our character better than anything. I think you realize that you will be under a microscope for quite some time.
With luck, you will make the effort needed to not only enact changes that have positive results for the majority of the Eve community, but also to continue with the communication on where you are hoping to go and why. As long as you keep an open mind to other possibilities than your originally planned course, you should be just fine.
Eve is a sandbox. To some extent, your developing, planning and improving Eve should also have a sandbox format. Be ready to change your plans based on what users would like and things will go well.
Good luck. I too will be watching and hoping. |
Sir Grimaldi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:51:00 -
[275] - Quote
This must have been hard to write ....
It is allways hard to look back and see what ind of an as* you were. But on the upside, you can only go up from there.
I look at this letter as a very good new start to restore faith that us vet players lost.
Doubt I will renew other 3 accounts with "new WOW like game in space coming out", but stranger things have happened.
GL CCP and Hillmar, you will need it. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
104
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:53:00 -
[276] - Quote
i haven't got through the entire thing yet but i have to give Hellmar props for admitting he was wrong - that is a hard thin to do so publicly and clearly. especially after such a bitter fight broke out between CCP and the fans. Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Kandreath
De Re Metallica Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:55:00 -
[277] - Quote
Adding my voice to the positive feedback.
I see hope on the horizon. |
Bourkes
Bourkes Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:57:00 -
[278] - Quote
All companies fail every now and then on service and strategy, the way how one goes about resolving it is how people will ultimately trust or crucify you.
Great first steps - onwards and upwards! |
Yseri
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:59:00 -
[279] - Quote
My cynical nature tells me "wow, the investors must have really whipped his ass". Maybe something good will come out of this, but I suspect I won't benefit much since I only play pve. On the other hand, more people going to 0.0 to do pvp might mean less griefing kids in highsec, which can only be good. We'll see. |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:00:00 -
[280] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top. It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction. Yes, necessary words and a decent step in the right direction.
That post recognizes, IMO, that something even more important than game mechanics got broken this Summer.
Trust was broken.
That will probably be harder to fix than 1000 bugs. |
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Aversun
Systems Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:01:00 -
[281] - Quote
overall, good and insightful. One, however, fails to see the attachment to ship spin, when you can do that in the great glory of space |
Sinjin Hawk
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:02:00 -
[282] - Quote
Thanks for the letter. It is a great first step. Growth is necessary but tough to work through. Knowing that you need to grow personally is as important as stepping back out on the path and pushing on. Looking forward to the work of the team and where you are taking us. |
Freelancer117
Obsidian Tigers
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:03:00 -
[283] - Quote
Apology accepted,
With out you eve couldn't have been a reality we now so much care about (have the Art of Eve book). I understand a lot of your code went into it and as such you think of eve as your baby. But as all babies they do grow up and need to participate in their environment.
That environment is the player community, eve is way past its mining simulator days. And as we know internet spaceships is now serious business I still hope Eve Online will be your core business and you will give people the content they want and pay for.
So far eve development blogs / video posts give me the idea that your design or engineering teams make up new stuff up, that sometimes get garbage canned because its not compatible with your current scrum deadline ? Wouldn't it be great to save the work done and discuss it with the CSM for future implementation, waste not want not.
For the NEX store im still looking forward to seeing the Scorpion Ishukone Watch and more skin decals for other ships, I really miss the black navy issue megathron. Plus, how much for a lifetime subscription for this game, already got one for star trek online so its not strange in mmo's.
Good Luck with the next expansions and really hope to see more of CCP one day in Iceland. |
Dex Ironmind
Vorpal's Edge
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:06:00 -
[284] - Quote
My optimism for the potential future of EVE was restored a bit with that blog CCP.
I am looking forward to seeing what you guys do with this renewed direction and focus on EVE!
GF
Dex was here. |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
25
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:08:00 -
[285] - Quote
It is a good statement, and defintely the sort of thing the community has been waiting for.
There is a question I have though that it doesn't really answer. To my mind the largest failing of Incarna has been the failure to deliver establishments, the multi-player environments. What I would like to hear from CCP is why this has not happened, and does not feature in the announced winter expansion either.
Is it due to technical issues (overheating GPU's, server performance) or simply that the environments have not been built yet? I was in the audience at Fanfest 2006 when 'walking in stations' was announced, and been to 3 more fanfests since and watched various presentations on the development process. I find it surprising that the CQ's are still being built at this stage and makes me wonder what state the rest of the project is in. Many players are wondering about this and don't understand the apparent slow pace of it all.
Edit - for that matter, players also want to know what happened to the other stuff they thought would be out by now, such as the new background nebulas that were shown at fanfest or the revamped EVElopedia which from the recent blog sounded like it would be launched with the new forums. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:10:00 -
[286] - Quote
Raid'En wrote:... prove that you're not lying ... Yes, this is crucial.
We have previously seen different statements made to different audiences.
We are paying attention.
Now, with that said, I genuinely hope this is a sincere sea-change and do wish CCP (and my game) the best of luck. |
PP Sledge
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:11:00 -
[287] - Quote
" The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."
I think that boat has left the dock don't you? I won't bother to comment on the supercap blobs paid for by tech moons and botting. On a small gang pvp level, it seems every other ship that comes through our space is a cloaky tech 3. Tech 3's used to be something to get excited about. Now, everyone and several of their alts have one. Easy Isk is ruining the game. Inflate the currency massively or stop the easy money that some alliances can generate via moon goo. People should be excited when they can finally afford that tech 2 or tech 3 instead of considering these ships throw away. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
124
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:12:00 -
[288] - Quote
"Do what we say, and say what we do" GÇö this is the most important line to me (ignoring the desire to move to a F2P model due to monthly subscriptions being "a thing of the past"). As much as CCP wants to forge an awesome future, CCP will only be able to do so with a cooperative customer base.
I'm one of the players who was very excited about the Future Vision video at FanFest 2011. To me, EVE isn't only about spaceships in space. It's a game about economy, politics, piracy, capitalism, trust and betrayal GÇö which currently happens to occur in a universe where the only activity we have is flying spaceships. I'm looking forward to an immersive, cohesive world where every action we take has an impact GÇö from the simple act of docking and walking in to a bar, through to firing shots in a battle which determines who claims sovereignty over a system today.
I want Incarna to succeed, though I was disappointed by the initial release. I want all aspects of the virtual world we inhabit to be of at least passing interest to most players.
Thank you for taking the time to reopen dialogue with the players. I look forward to the deeper developer/player relationship that the practice of thinking and talking about what you are planning to do will foster.
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Hengroen
Dark Space Frontier True Reign
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:12:00 -
[289] - Quote
' I fervently believe with all my heart that weGÇÖve not even scratched the surface of EVEGÇÖs potential'
Amen to that. Cannot wait to see the surface scratched.
Thank you Hellmar |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
56
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:14:00 -
[290] - Quote
Lots of words about incarna and Nex. When and to what extent is ccp going to dedicate resources to fis? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:20:00 -
[291] - Quote
We shall see. CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
205
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:21:00 -
[292] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Lots of words about incarna and Nex. When and to what extent is ccp going to dedicate resources to fis?
Please have a look at this dev blog by CCP Zulu which tells about our plans for the winter expansion.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Chssmius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:22:00 -
[293] - Quote
Thank you Hellmar. I empathize emotional hurdle it must have taken to write all of that.
I just hope this move is followed all of the way through.
That said, I can not wait to see what the future holds for EvE with you and CCP. |
Laand
Fleetworks ROMANIAN-LEGION
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:22:00 -
[294] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Dear Hilmar,
Having a lot of experience with humbling situations in my life, I've got to say before I say anything else that I respect the courage, honour and humility it must have taken for you to write this apology. To err is commonplace, but to apologise for it is a sadly rare sign of human virtue in this day and age. It is redundant to say that my faith in CCP is no longer unshakeable, but your apology is something I wouldn't expect from the CEO of bigger games companies like Activision, EA, Sony Online or Blizzard. Admitting fault and apologising for it is a good thing.
I know you're a CEO, and you're talking to customers in the manner of a CEO, but you're actually talking to us - again, not something I'd expect from more mainstream games companies. You have not fully restored my faith in CCP - as you have said, I'll be watching your actions more than your words. With the utmost respect, CCP has a history of apologising for things, fixing minor issues and calling it a day. For this to be a true turning point, CCP must truly change within and without - if you truly wish to convince us that CCP can deliver on the promise of EVE Online, you must commit to it one hundred and ten percent.
We need to see the radical changes we've been promised - regular iteration on older content, player issues addressed in weeks rather than months, constant interaction and dialogue with the playerbase. Reform and revitalise. Listen to player input at every turn. Test every feature you want to roll out on Singularity weeks in advance and listen to the testers.
Every time I try to leave this game, it pulls me back in somehow. I have never given up on the dream of EVE Online. I have never given up on the endless promise of tomorrow and the grand adventure of the far reaches of space.
I'm going to give you my cautious trust, CCP, one last time. Take me places I've never seen before and show me a world where impossible is a dirty word.
- Andrew +1
--- I'll see what the winter expansion actually brings. How many optional patches it will need to fix the new itroduced bugs etc. . I hope CCP really changes and this aren't just words. My alt will stay unsubbed, but I may buy one more month game time for my main to check out the upcomming expansion. We'll see.
o7 Laand
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astral dominix
BrightStar Technologies
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:24:00 -
[295] - Quote
Very pleased with the news. have writen a bit on it on my blog http://eve-trial-by-fire.blogspot.com/2011/10/i-impressed.html |
Rexxin
Evention Laboratories
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:24:00 -
[296] - Quote
+1 |
Ke'char
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:25:00 -
[297] - Quote
Nice read. Hope has returned. |
Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
16
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:27:00 -
[298] - Quote
Acks wrote:... Oh and for the love of all that is holy PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dedicate more resources to "the little things". There are so many daily paper cut issues / bugs in eve that at the end of a day of playing many of us are hemorrhaging. Most of these issues have been around for YEARS.
Sincerely, ACKS RONA Corporation RONA Directorate I can't agree with and emphasize this enough.
For example, every time I click a window to close I expect it to close. Not 9 out of 10 times. Every time.
Sound like a trivial gripe? OK. But every time it fails it is another aggravating break in game flow. And this is just one example. Fix the little bugs. They add up. An infestation of little bugs kills game enjoyment. |
Chronix Beebelbrox
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:27:00 -
[299] - Quote
Bravo.
Well said.
Now, show me. |
Monty Raynolds
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:29:00 -
[300] - Quote
Other CEOs have been fired for less than has been admitted in this blog.
Still not resubbing once paid time runs out. |
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:30:00 -
[301] - Quote
Apology accepted. |
Vim
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:34:00 -
[302] - Quote
o7
Go forth and conquer CCP; with Emperor Hilmar listening to his nation once more to not tax the morale of the population: the farthest star is not a problem. |
Hannibal Ord
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:41:00 -
[303] - Quote
At the end of the day, we want the game to be as great as you say it could be. It is why we as a community are so passionate about the game itself.
Love is hard work.
Thank you very much for apologising, much lost faith has been restored, certainly on my part. Not all of it, since there is a long hard way to go with balancing the game and fixing issues above and beyond Incarna.
We as a community appreciate it. |
Viqer Fell
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:42:00 -
[304] - Quote
Interesting read a what comes across as a heartfelt apology.
Apology accepted. |
Malrock
Mea Culpa Enigma
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:43:00 -
[305] - Quote
Dear mr Hilmar.
CCP has dissapointed year after year. Many features of the game are gimmicks that will drive people nuts (POS, PI) - they are unjustly limited forcing investment of too much time and labour into something that should be enjoyable as ENTERTAINMENT. And these are just 2 technology parts.
For years CCP has been focused on adding stuff instead of listening to community for advice how to fix the basis of elements olready in the universe. For example, you introduced rigs, but community still lacks a solid ship for transporting assambled rigged ships across distances, and i mean solid way, carriers, motherships and other things are way too limited to do anithing meaningul. A sample of how you twist mechanics instead of finding a better solution - freighters got cargo nerfed to avoid people moving capital ships in them - so instead of finding a better solution to stop moving capitals you implemented quick and dirty "fix" that suited your developers and not the clients, and there are many of such "hacks".
As a long standing client, who has been with this software product since 2004 i have also recived a verry personal insult - one of my dearest friends who was a director in our corporation got hacked, hes account was stolen, through that all the assets we collected and spent years of effort got stolen. We reported it luckely in time (unlock votes on bpo's were still running) and averted fatal damage, then, since no valid game mechanics nor player mistaces were involved in the hack we were expecting a support from CCP in restoring mentioned items, what we got was minor restoration of corporate wallets, and some throwdown money and lot of excuses how nothing can be done and it is our fault. A personal letter was written to you and sent by my dearest friends who was the victim of the hack, you my dear sir never had the care to even let the secretary to replay to that letter, not to mention yourself - a grave dissapointment that caused cancellation of several accounts, loss of all respect and interest in this product. You could of easely restored the items from backup or just thrown us a bone and just wired us some reasonable amount of isk that we could of used to recover, but we did recive a clear sign on CCP attitude toward a client - "hey bad things happen, it is your recponcibility and your fault". For a software product that focuses on "real value" of a loss this is a bad attitude for external attack, if it was corp theft - so be it, i would accept it as valid point and loss, but external hack has nothing valid about it.
Why am i still here ? Well, technically i am not, since i have skills to back myself with isk i can keep the account running indeffinetly, no matter if i play or not, guess for you it means you still have a "paying customer", even if this customer only interacts with the system on limited scale. And quess i will keep doing it untill i get over my last hopes and "built in habit" - or there is a remote chance that CCP has got the point from rage that was unleashed during the summer - only time will tell.
So heres one of the "bitter vets" signing off after the flame post. |
algorythm
Evolution The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:43:00 -
[306] - Quote
Hi Hellmar, First of all I would like to thank you for your sincerity, and the whole community for the past (almost) 8 years.It's been a great time to play eve, and watch it evolve.
I would like to call your attention to this matter:
Quote:Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community.
If your bet is into changing the billing system, I must say think very carefully before taking any measures. One of the things I like about eve is the triage there is due to it being a payed game. I believe changing this could mean risking the whole community and market. I also have kept a close eye on other games, such as World of Tanks or EA's Battlefield Heroes, games where you don't have to have a subscription but are given advantage by purchasing items, and I tell you, those are the kind of games you play for a bit, you buy a couple items, and you get bored. Eve on the other hand, gets you keeping coming, even if its only to change a simple skill. An hybrid solution would also be a fail, has a subscription is already an heavy load to bear just for gaming.
To sum up, I advise you to be very caution on this subject, has this is indeed delicate matter that may dictate the future of this wonderful game.
Best regards from sunny south Portugal,
algo |
Orithien Veladorn
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:44:00 -
[307] - Quote
"CCP Hillmar" wrote:I was wrong and i admit it.
Who would have believed a MMO software company's CEO would one day write such a sentence?
Thank you Hellmar, there is light at the end of the tunnel at last! |
Ave Volta
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:49:00 -
[308] - Quote
Thank you for all your hard work. Past and Present. Overall you have done very well. Don't let a speed bump slow you down. |
Cyntharima
Redimio Veritas
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:49:00 -
[309] - Quote
OK, good enough fo me.
I'll re-sub my 4 accounts...as soon as I rebuild my gaming machine. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
53
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:50:00 -
[310] - Quote
Whew. I have to say I'm impressed. Hilmar, I admire courage in a person, and in this day and age of corp-think it was courageous of you to be so honest. As Serene said, God bless you for it. All the best to you.
Keep it between the ditches, bud.
Vyl
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:54:00 -
[311] - Quote
Hilmar, I salute to you. These words could be a fresh start. I thank you for that. |
Mai Shown
The Black Sheeps VMF-214
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:55:00 -
[312] - Quote
Nice blog, i've never thought this would ever happened, congrats for that Hillmar o/
I was on the way out, i'm still, but perhaps not definitive, i'll keep an eye on the future, and if words are followed by actions, i may come back in few months |
Dietrich III
Reunincapacitators Nabaal Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:55:00 -
[313] - Quote
Thank you for your honesty, Hellmar. It's definitely what I needed to here to start restoring confidence in CCP. Looking forward to the winter expansion's new content, and hoping that many unfinished features get some love. You're back on the right track now, stay the course CCP! |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:57:00 -
[314] - Quote
Awesome <3
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Fennisair
Autocannons Anonymous
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:57:00 -
[315] - Quote
Well written Mr P+¬tursson. Now hold on to those thoughts and keep that focus. "Raising the bar" doesn't always have to be about doing new stuff.... it can be doing the current stuff better.
For once I'm really looking forward to the future of EVE.... |
Talin
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:00:00 -
[316] - Quote
What you said is great, it makes me hopeful for the future.
However Hope is all we have. I truly, do hope that everything you said is true. Because if it isn't we will know, sooner then later. Regardless however, I have Hope, and that my friend is more important then anything. Something I can say I didn't have for EVE a few weeks ago.
Good luck, and if you need me as a player to weigh in one-day on something I will. |
BlinSky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:00:00 -
[317] - Quote
Ok So Basically you know and admit that me (in my emo raging posts) and some other loyal to eve followers are right and you are wrong... great... that should keep some of us paying for another 2 or 3 months of game time in the hope for some "player loven changes" to take place....
Super cool now that you know you screwed up and since you care so much about the players... (yeah right sucking every lil bit of money from them not so important) do the following:
- get back in the 90 day GTC's, - seed eve with another 5k or so null sec systems, - setup a real bounty hunter's office/profession (maybe npc corp for every faction) - add motherships - add a cap or sub cap that will help small corps (20 dudes or so) to live in null sec on their own roaming the 0.0's as nomads, - reseed the moons, - add more ships and weapon types, - CHECK THE GM's FOR ABUSE.. I PERSONALLY KNOW 3 CASES IN WHICH THE GM's ACTED LIKE WHORES AND WITH ALL THE PETITIONING NOTHING HAPPEN LEADING TO A m8 OF MINE TO QUIT EVE. (Or formup a team that will be in charge of keeping the gm's in line) - STOP ADDING SO MUCH **** IN EVE WITHOUT KEEPING PASSE WITH THE BUGS THAT COME WITH IT. (there so many bugs with the latest patches thats not even funny). Leme show you 3 of them: 1) after undocking even know the 1 min session timer is over sometimes i get more session change notifications when trying to jump a gate. longest one was 2min something.. This bug is old news now and yet nothing seems to be done about it. 2) windows... windows.... they jump arround the screen when clicking something, the stacking doesent work properly... they stack w/e they want to and when... again nothing been done about it... 3) speed indicator... still gets stuck yes.... been fixed so many times people stop bothering to report....
Those are just 3 bugs that you can see in like 5 min of playing eve... there's many more and more been added with every patch but you simply don't take 5min break from filling eve with **** to simply FIX SOME BUGS.
So yeah overall I think that the blog from "eve guy in charge" is nothing but a "please stay with us for another 6 months and you will see it's gonna get better I beg you" blog. For real I think CCP tasted money and for that reason eve will never be the way it once was.. fun.
Just to prove what I just said think of this: People been crying for ship paint jobs and corp logos for years... what did CCP said when those will be introduced??? They gonna be under the vanity products. That basically means if you wanna have some fun flying a black ship with a pirate skull on it, pay CCP a plex or 2 or w/e... more monety to CCP... whats todays plex price??? 400mill you say???....
That's what CCP is doing and they know it. This blog is just smoke in the eyeballs another attempt to make old guys think of eve the way it once was... remember I WAS THERE?? ... same deal only now they stick it from behind.... |
Integra Arkanheld
Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:00:00 -
[318] - Quote
Continue with the good work!!! We love EVE |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
77
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:01:00 -
[319] - Quote
Apology accepted.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I don't want CCP to be discouraged about phased rollouts. The phased rollout of Tyrannis was one of the most stable rollouts in all of EVE history, which was amazing!
The issue with Incarna was/is: 1) CCP has a history of not following through on commitments to iterate upon released content. Once content makes it to TQ, it essentially remains completely and totally unchanged for the rest of eternity. EVEN PI's "iteration" was really lackluster. It polished up a few features here and there, but the fundamental core of PI remained unimproved. No pollution, no intraplanetary interaction of any kind (trading or otherwise), etc... 2) CCP's lack of common sense regarding multiple account-users. You ENCOURAGE multiple accounts with your Power of Two deal, for crying out loud! 3) Lack of clear communication. |
Steph Wing
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
50
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:04:00 -
[320] - Quote
Now this is "Fearless".
+rep Hilmar. It takes a big man to admit he's made a mistake, let alone publicly for the whole internet to see.
This is a huge, huge step forward. I feel less bitter already. |
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Athereon
Aths Harem
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:05:00 -
[321] - Quote
Good post Hillmar, Takes a lot to stand up amidst us all and say you were wrong. This post is a good start. I am looking forward to seeing the actions to underscore the sincere words. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:05:00 -
[322] - Quote
Well, that post certainly touched me, but I can't help thinking "I hope this was not designed to touch me, and that this is sincere." Still, it looks like some lessons were learned at least, let's hope they're not forgotten.
As for the changes to priorities: I can understand that this is nescesarry and while I even welcome some changes being made, I'm still a bit dissappointed that the deployment of Incarna is postponed yet again (a phrase containing the words "broken promise, again, RPers get the short end, yet again" pops into my head), as it's THE thing I've been looking most forward to ever since I started playing, but seeing as I've been waiting for it for over 3 years now, I guess I can wait a little longer for the sake of EVE's future.
-Peace |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
49
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:06:00 -
[323] - Quote
It's about ******* time!
I kept reading and thinking, holy ****! you pointed out the elephants in the room,
I went month to month and was on the verge of quitting again, for this I shall hang around.
HIlmar you were harder on the stupidness in Incarna than I was, I have hope.
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:07:00 -
[324] - Quote
HIlmar,
As a player of going on 7 years, I salute the honesty and candor of your letter. It was exactly what I needed to hear to restore my faith in your company.
Thank you for refocusing on what makes your product so damn good.
With much respect,
Cheeba |
Big Uneasy
Uneasy Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:08:00 -
[325] - Quote
SKILLS 99,658,356 points
Unleash Eve potential, and i'll stay 10 years staying in Eve Online shouldnt be any problem to my accounts
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hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:08:00 -
[326] - Quote
No other games developer would be this honest to their fans. This is why I will always be a CCP customer. 2003-present, and into the future as far as i can forsee.
Thanks Hilmar, thanks CCP. |
Melanie Pointer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:09:00 -
[327] - Quote
Yeah, I will admit it ...( With an ALT ) ... I shed a man tear or two reading Hilmar's letter.
To all the CCP employees official and unofficial. "Lets rock!" |
glepp
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:09:00 -
[328] - Quote
I cried a little.
Now don't let us down. |
Wind Jammer
Molden Heath Software Company
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:11:00 -
[329] - Quote
Good post CCP Hellmar.
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Xtraneous
Sam's Space Guys
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:11:00 -
[330] - Quote
That is the blog I was looking for. Respect to Hilmar, I'm sure it wasn't easy or fun to compose.
I don't doubt now going forward CCP will far surpass all the previous achievements we so fondly remember.
Zulu's blog is also well written and informative - exactly what was needed. So who's been helping him? Guard? Torfi? The CSM? |
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Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:12:00 -
[331] - Quote
Awesome. This is a huge step in the right direction. Thank you for soul searching Hilmar, I think I speak for everybody here when I say that it really means a lot to us all.
Also, pragmatism is win. |
Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:13:00 -
[332] - Quote
glepp wrote:I cried a little.
Now don't let us down.
Sweet sweet tears. |
Mollernak
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:15:00 -
[333] - Quote
Thank you.... (that must have been hard)
Looking forward to flying in Eve for many many many years to come. |
Miskabel
Confrerie des Galets Galactiques
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:15:00 -
[334] - Quote
Hello everyone,
Here's my storyline...
I'm a old player that was there in the ages of the begining... times where we were glad to have a Battleship .... yes mates...
I left the game for about 4 year... from 2006 to 2010... while you guys were arguying about everything that CCP was trying to make and deliver.. i was "offline"....
My return last year.... was a chock...
I was chocked of how people were not playing but abusing the game systems... all for what ??
M. Hilmar, being my self a owner of cie... i think it is IMPOSSIBLE to stay always on the good path... you have to go offroad to know where route is.
For me.. i will not LEAVE EVE, not after i've seen how much this game has evolved compare to others MMO.
Today i'm just trying to catch up with all that happend since then.
I know old players.. and they still like the game for what it is...
I think EVE is one of the most "evolving" MMO that i've played so far... and i can tell you i've played a bunch of them.
SO old players, new players... get your computer tuned up.. and gear up for the next generation that CCP is going to deliver to US
Like we used to say.... 07 fly safe Capsuleers |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
19
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:27:00 -
[335] - Quote
Credit where credit is due; this blog is well-written and well-needed. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:28:00 -
[336] - Quote
Malrock wrote:As a long standing client, who has been with this software product since 2004 i have also recived a verry personal insult - one of my dearest friends who was a director in our corporation got hacked, hes account was stolen, through that all the assets we collected for years got stolen. We reported it, luckely in time (unlock votes on bpo's were still running) and averted fatal damage, then, since no valid game mechanics nor player mistakes were involved in the hack we were expecting a support from CCP in restoring mentioned items - what we got was minor restoration of corporate wallets and some throwdown money + lot of excuses how nothing can be done since it is our fault. A personal letter was written to you and sent by my dearest friend who was the victim of the hack, you my dear sir never had the care to even let the secretary to replay to that letter, not to mention yourself - a grave dissapointment that caused cancellation of several accounts, loss of all respect and interest in this product. You could of easely restored the items from backup or just thrown us a bone and just wired us some reasonable amount of isk that we could of used to recover, but we did recive a clear sign on CCP attitude toward a client - "hey bad things happen, it is your recponcibility and your fault". For a software product that focuses on "real value" of a loss this is a bad attitude for external attack, if it was corp theft - so be it, i would accept it as valid point and loss, but external hack has nothing valid about it. What usually happens on a hacked account is:
Hacker tries to sell everything he can get his hands on asap at whatever price possible, then transfers the ISK to other characters (to be ultimately used in RMT); CCP recovers whatever ISK possible and wires it back to you; you are angry because you got much less than you think your items were worth.
Maybe not the best solution from your POV but the only reasonable approach (that I am aware of).
Consider that the hacker may have reprocessed ships/modules, sold the minerals on the market, the new owner may have hauled them to a trade hub and sold them to an industrialist, the industrialist used them to build ships, the ships got blown up into salvage and insurance payments, ...
How deep would you want CCP to revert these transactions? What do you think would the uncertainty created through such reversals do to commerce inside EVE ("Somebody just sold me some faction items really cheap... now I'll have to wait a few weeks to be sure that CCP won't revert this transaction because it might have been caused by some hacker"?)
The only "items" for which CCP reverts transactions are characters and even then it is a considerable nuisance and uncertainty for everyone involved (though luckily firesales of "stolen" characters are often easy to spot and avoid).
The alternative would be to just spawn new items to replace your loss, effectively duplicating your friend's inventory. This would break the sandbox and would be heavily exploitable (as would be spawning some ISK as extra compensation for you). After all it is really easy to "hack" your own account to duplicate any rare items you might have on it. "Oh my account was hacked and my character's Opux Luxury Yacht was firesold by the ebil hacker to some alt of my best friend - now CCP will spawn a new Yacht to replace my loss and everybody is really happy \o/"
If you have any proposal how to handle such situations that is better than CCP's current way of doing things and not heavily exploitable or sandbox-breaking I would honestly like to hear about it. I have seen your complaint quite a few times during my time in EVE but I have never seen a satisfying solution that would work... |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:28:00 -
[337] - Quote
Miskabel wrote:Hello everyone,
Here's my storyline...
I'm a old player that was there in the ages of the begining... times where we were glad to have a Battleship .... yes mates...
I left the game for about 4 year... from 2006 to 2010... while you guys were arguying about everything that CCP was trying to make and deliver.. i was "offline"....
My return last year.... was a chock...
I was chocked of how people were not playing but abusing the game systems... all for what ??
M. Hilmar, being my self a owner of cie... i think it is IMPOSSIBLE to stay always on the good path... you have to go offroad to know where route is.
For me.. i will not LEAVE EVE, not after i've seen how much this game has evolved compare to others MMO.
Today i'm just trying to catch up with all that happend since then.
I know old players.. and they still like the game for what it is...
I think EVE is one of the most "evolving" MMO that i've played so far... and i can tell you i've played a bunch of them.
SO old players, new players... get your computer tuned up.. and gear up for the next generation that CCP is going to deliver to US
Like we used to say.... 07 fly safe Capsuleers
tl;dr
learn to paragraph and punctuation |
Geksz
The Fountain
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:33:00 -
[338] - Quote
Thank u Hellmar! We can finally sleep well! |
Indy Rider
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:36:00 -
[339] - Quote
Very good post, a lot better than I expected tbh.
Looking forward to seeing where we end up in the future. |
Kern Hotha
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:40:00 -
[340] - Quote
I never expected a message like this. It's the best thing I've read from CCP in a long time. If this new direction is real, Eve is back on the 'right' path (or at least the path that we selfish customers want).
Bravo. |
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Nyssa Litari
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:41:00 -
[341] - Quote
Liking the general direction the letter and dev blog indicate things are heading. Thanks, and keep up the good work. |
Lillith Demodae
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:47:00 -
[342] - Quote
Very pretty words, and a nice message.
Now . . . make us BELIEVE it.
Looking forward to seeing what happens, so please . . . don't let us down again. It is by caffeine alone I set my body in motion. It is by the juice of Java that the blood stream acquires speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my body in motion. |
Dun Bar
Inner Shadow
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:47:00 -
[343] - Quote
The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience.
took you 8 years to figure that out?? lol |
Lin Xiao
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:47:00 -
[344] - Quote
All I have to say is that talk is cheap and that there are a lot of players who will be basing their decision to continue to subscribe to Eve Online or not based on this next expansion so it would be in CCP's best interest to make sure that it is thoroughly tested, polished and makes real improvements to how the game is played. |
Malcom Dax
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:48:00 -
[345] - Quote
That was a good read. I respect a man that can publically say 'I was wrong' like that. It'll be interesting to see the game evolve over the next 12 months. |
Oftherocks
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:48:00 -
[346] - Quote
As someone who loved this game, then lost interest and cancelled a few accounts, I hope this is a new chapter in the Eve experience. |
Rub Jubblies
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:52:00 -
[347] - Quote
Takes a big man to admit he was wrong.
You sir, are a big man.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae RED.Legion
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:55:00 -
[348] - Quote
A big thank you Hilmar, It is as you said, eve is a community, and a good dialogue with the player base is the best way to make the dream of eve come true. I find it refreshing to have a bit of that old ccp shining through once again. |
cornholio508
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:56:00 -
[349] - Quote
Props to Hilmar admitting they was wrong .
However i have seen statements like this b4 in other mmo's Both free to play and paid .
QUOTE "We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. " /QUOTE
This one little paragraph has me a bit worried . This is the reason i stopped playing a lot of mmos in the past . They did bring in a pay to win scenario and it ruined the game for the veterans like myself . I am not trying to blast the letter in any way . I am just stating my concerns on the "pay to win " scenario . It just seems to me that the pay to win situations is still on the cards and that worries me .
Please Hilmar and the rest of CCP Never under any circunstances bring PAY TO WIN into EVE . You will kill your own creation . |
Ronja Mistysdottir
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:00:00 -
[350] - Quote
"Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity."
Well, can we have a XXX client for above 18 year olds? Give us something to look forward to.
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Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:01:00 -
[351] - Quote
*Standing Ovation* |
Astrid Stjerna
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:06:00 -
[352] - Quote
Thank you.
Hilmar, it's said that it takes a strong man to admit he's wrong.
I look forward to CCP's future endeavors, and to an improved and refocused EVE Online.
I hope any NASA techs that read this will forgive me for borrowing a phrase from your lexicon (....(then again, given that EVE is a space game, it's strangely appropriate) and possibly using it incorrectly:
You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man. |
Saracha
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:07:00 -
[353] - Quote
Hilmar thanks for this, its nice to know that CCP is actually listening. After Incarna I haven't been so sure. However this definitely needed to be said months ago. This feels like the apology for Fearless that we never quite got, as a company CCP always needs to be able treat its customers as the most important part of the game. Fearless felt like a spit in the face to that, while the emergency meeting was all well and good there was never an apology, CCP only admitted there had been a mistake, thanks for owning up to it. I'm too young a player to be feeling tired of how CCP operates. |
Crunac Arclight
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 23:08:00 -
[354] - Quote
You have my respect Hilmar.
Now get to work and make EVE all it can be!
I am really excited about the coming months, so do not drop this! |
Bratwurst0r
Austrian Industrial Corporation Universal Constant Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:09:00 -
[355] - Quote
I'm truly impressed with this statement. Yes, stating these facts is long overdue, but still, its not easy to do this as a CEO who had the luxury to lead EVE to new hights over 7 years thinking he is doing it right.
Often have we heard that management is becoming a PROBLEM at CCP, not what it should be: a way to make things happen.
I really hope, for the sake of the game, that this will change again.
And always remember: customers are not your ENEMY...neither are your employees who voice concern about things. |
Artanea
Art and Industry Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:11:00 -
[356] - Quote
Adding my kudos and thanks--it takes courage to admit one's mistakes.
Like many others, I'll be watching to see what happens. I came within a hair of quitting for good when Incarna and CQ were launched, and a game that had been running fine on my 64-but quad core with bells and whistles became seriously and unpredictably unstable until I disabled CQ
I have just two recommendations:
1. STABILITY, rock-solid across platforms, is infinitely more important than skin texture and character hair rendering
2. COMPLEXITY: don't dumb the game down, just make the sure the help and tutorials are inplace
Thanks for listening |
Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:11:00 -
[357] - Quote
A welcome note of contrition and I look forward to seeing what you guys have for us.
But as you say the proof will be in what is done not what is said. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:13:00 -
[358] - Quote
Props to the big guy.
Looking forward to see how/when this will take place.
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Cunane Jeran
10
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:13:00 -
[359] - Quote
Just what I needed to see. More Faith :D |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:14:00 -
[360] - Quote
"The present is the ever moving shadow that divides yesterday from tomorrow. In that lies hope." Frank Lloyd Wright
And today, for Eve, I now have hope.
Allocate resources to FiS |
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Crownsith
Potentium Force
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:23:00 -
[361] - Quote
Dear Hellmar,
I have been fascinated by the development of EVE from the very beginning. What you are all creating is incredibly daring and innovative. On the one hand, not everyone can imagine how many complex and rich experiences EVE may yet offer ... On the other, most hardcore players simply don't care... This is why it is so hard to be a pioneer. It's a risky business requiring a unique blend of courage and caution, infused with a whole lot of sturdy endurance.
I have to admit that lately I do not have time to play this game, and even when I did, I was a boring carebear. As it stands this game is extremely time consuming and it requires a level of dedication and commitment I simply cannot master.
Paradoxically, my favorite moments in EVE are when you and Torfi talk with great passion about the future and potential of EVE. I love a great vision, it's like being on the front line of evolution itself.
I hope that one day I will find my own place in this game - these days I only find time to play casual kind of games. Therefore yes, you are absolutely right, the gaming industry is changing very rapidly and those who do not see the big picture will not endure.
I understand that people who play much more then me are very upset, you tried to steamroll your way to the future, that only works if you intend to rule the world as an Entitled Tyrant. (ET) :-) To your credit, you are not the first innovator who has attempted to outpace his own vision.
"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves". ~Victor Frankl
Your humble sincerity is very inspiring and cleansing ... Thank you.
Please continue to manifest the vision that is EVE. |
TrouNoir
Love From Above
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:25:00 -
[362] - Quote
It's refreshing to see these problems adressed, and it restores my faith in CCP.
I'm sure every one of us wants to come along for the ride, and be a part of EVE as it evolves and adapts, and I am certainly among their ranks. Myself, and many of my friends, have gone as far as to buy new computers, or more monitors, for no other reason than to be able to enjoy EVE to the fullest. The way EVE works makes it more than a recreational activity, it's practically a seperate world that you can experience, virtual reality as opposed to a game.
While the cash shop's items are outrageously overpriced, I see no real harm in it. People who have that kind of loose change will spend the money, those who don't, will not. I can't condemn any move that may score CCP a little more money that may go towards better expansions, or improved servers.
My one, major qualm is DUST.
Many people see DUST as a shameless cash-in, to take advantage of a console shooter market that is blooming right now, the money is flowing like wine for games like Call of Duty. Again, anything that might net CCP some more moolah is fine by me, and I'm interested in the game, it's an expansion on the EVE Universe that I would enjoy taking part in, or at least exploring. The problem is the exclusion associated with the (inexplicable and sudden) announcement that the game will be a PS3 exclusive.
Not only are you outright excluding the entire PC userbase that make up all EVE players, as logically anyone who is a fan of EVE owns a home computer, but you're even denying yourselves the revenue that such a game would have, were it released on the Xbox 360.
It's a decision I cannot understand. If you wanted to attract EVE fans, the PC would be a logical choice, if you wanted a very large community of shooter enthusiasts, the Xbox would have been the right choice. The PS3 has neither. Why not go multiplat? You say you want EVE to be accessible for everyone, yet you exclude your own fans, and at least 70% of your potential fans.
I may have bought two more monitors for EVE, but DUST alone will not justify such a significant and expensive purchase as a PS3. For those EVE players who own neither console, I doubt they very much enjoy the idea of having to buy one. I would buy the game if it were released on the PC, I would even pay another subscription fee on top of EVE if I enjoyed the game, but excluding fans of EVE who don't own consoles by making it a console exclusive is very short-sighted.
Consider this another red flag, one that I urge you to heed. |
TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:27:00 -
[363] - Quote
Hope is restored.
Faith - Will take a little longer.
But damn, that was a fine dev blog Hillmar, and a good first step to restoring faith as well. CCP's actions over the coming months will show if faith can be restored as well.
I hope so.
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Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:27:00 -
[364] - Quote
To Sir Hilmar -
These are my simple words to you sir --- THANK YOU!! |
BigDaddyMcFatSacks
Space Olympics LLC
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:29:00 -
[365] - Quote
I think you guys just went up a notch in my book. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in business, but it takes a big man to own up to them and apologize and then change his ways. Will this happen? I think so, because if it doesn't the fallout will destroy eve. Keep your word, and your customers will be here to support you! |
mspakman
MInistry of Mining
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:36:00 -
[366] - Quote
This is why Gingers should never be in charge of anything |
Sinooko
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:36:00 -
[367] - Quote
You sir,
...have my respect. It takes allot to take responsibility in front of so many people. With this knowledge, pragmatism, and humility Eve will regain its stride and more!
Thank you,
~Sinooko. |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:40:00 -
[368] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen.
It's all just pixels on a screen, but just like the 3D simulation transcents its two-dimensional simulation, I think the sentiment of the letter certainly projects more than the status quo. I look forward to winter! Brand new PC is on the way and so will my alt account!
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Aurthes
M. Corp Engineering M. PIRE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:50:00 -
[369] - Quote
Great post!
Admitting to a mistake and making the steps necessary to correct things are a huge positive. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:52:00 -
[370] - Quote
A very well written piece, Hillmar. I have resubbed both my accounts. Provisionally. I am taking a chance and giving CCP the benefit of the doubt, against the lessons of past experiences.
Use the next few months well and you'll regain your lost customers. |
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Umarillian
Asterisk Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:52:00 -
[371] - Quote
Thank you, I feel more comfortable in my decision to re-sub thanks to this.
+1 faith in CCP
Now fix drones and hybrids! =P or take your time -__- but not too long.
Umarillian, |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:52:00 -
[372] - Quote
Appology Accepted...
And thank you for finally coming to terms that 'we' are CCP's share holders more so than anyone else...
We are true fans of EVE. And I look forward to a revival in Development under your more humbled guidance.
Thank you, and thank you CCP staff. |
Martineski
Weapons for Mass Destruction
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:00:00 -
[373] - Quote
Dear Hilmar Its really a wonderful thing to hear from someone up the foodchain. Its even better to hear that you are truly apologetic to the EVE Community. It takes guts to admit you are wrong, it takes even more courage to admit failing the EVE Community. Granted there are times when you don't pay attention to what some of the community has to say, but when the majority say something needs work, then chances are, it needs work. I support your endeavor to soul search and make EVE better, but i have one piece of advice that i would like everyone in CCP and the EVE community to embrace, It takes time to make something perfect. If all the community does is bark at CCP for messing something up, instead of letting them take time to fix it, then everyone gets in a bad mood. CCP Hilmar, i want you to tell everyone on the development team to take their time and do it right, no matter the time limit, i want incredible good looking content in EVE as much as anyone, so don't do what other game companies to and RUSH RUSH RUSH, please take the time to do it right and continue to listen to the EVE Community as a whole, the good and the bad. Do what you see is best, but not without consideration of how it will affect ALL of us. I support you 100%, keep the game alive. Thank you.
Martineski
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Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
85
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:00:00 -
[374] - Quote
TornSoul wrote:Hope is restored.
Faith - Will take a little longer.
Sums it up perfectly. A great, bold first step. I can only hope that this continues and comes to fruition.
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
44
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:06:00 -
[375] - Quote
For a long time - too long a time - this ship called EVE has been rudderless and her Captain oblivious to the protests of her crew.
It has taken near mutiny to awaken you Hilmar and even though you might see the course we need to chart we are still adrift in a heavy storm. Let's see how you handle the tiller from here.
C.
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Lucian Atreides
Tetraktys Rolling Thunder.
6
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:09:00 -
[376] - Quote
"a MAN is not trying to be FLAWLESS, A MAN is to trully LEARN from his Mistakes". Unknown
CCP I bow to your guts, a really rare thing these days in the gaming world, to actually admit your faults and corrct them.
o7 |
Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:14:00 -
[377] - Quote
This.....is unexpected
But in a really, really good way.
It's really nice to see that people really can stop and see when the course they've set is leading them astray. To be honest I really didn't think something like this was likely to happen after the "perfect storm" mentioned.
I hope that this is the first step of many in taking EVE to it's fullest potential and in improving communications between CCP and the community. Because there was some helluva damage done in the last fiasco. Improving trust and communications is important.
Because where we're headed, we're gonna need it. |
Mofo Keikira
Integrity Concepts Inc. THREE WOLF
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:20:00 -
[378] - Quote
What a refreshing show of responsibility and commitment to our community. |
Helothane
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:34:00 -
[379] - Quote
Honestly, the drama and shenanigans this summer left a bitter taste in my mouth. The skeptic in me doubts that Hilmar even wrote that, that it was written by someone else, he read the copy and approved it to be posted in his name.
Regardless: Actions, not words, and all we have so far is the latter.
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Gridwalker
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:36:00 -
[380] - Quote
Welcome back, Hellmar. |
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HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:40:00 -
[381] - Quote
Thank you Himlar, nice to hear you have started to listen to us now and your appology really helped put our minds at ease even a little bit. |
Blackhuey
Into The Pink
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:41:00 -
[382] - Quote
Bacon eaten is bacon beyond the reach of regret.
+1 for a CEO with big Technetium balls. @blackhuey | @srspodcast | Srs Bzns Podcast: http://srspodcast.com
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:47:00 -
[383] - Quote
i believe
CSM 4 Alt2, CSM5 Alt1 / Rage Quit, CSM6 Fail Candidate Hasbeen Ragequitting Creator of New Edens Largest Non-Profit Events
derp. |
Latex Lover
Dreams Unlimited
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:56:00 -
[384] - Quote
Quote:GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥
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Seyah Tebut
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:57:00 -
[385] - Quote
CCP:
What you do, not what you say.
So I guess Hilmar was getting sick of seeing that he effectively lost 25% of his revenue with the massive number of people that were unsubscribing due to the asinine bits that were being put in and the voice of his customer base being ignored.
Hey Hilmar: what we DID, not what we SAID. Can you hear us now?
Ok, with that off my chest and said, I am happy to have read both the blogs. It has not (yet) fully restored my faith in CCP and the devs but it has done one hell of a first step towards doing so. Towards making me happy to play this game. Towards making me want to brag to others "I play Eve". I look forward to the day when my trust and faith in those that make this game is fully restored. These blogs haven't done that, but they have at least made me see a bright light at the end of the tunnel, after a long time of being in the dark.
As my dad used to tell me all the time, "It's not how you f*ckup, it's how you recover". CCP, we are watching how you take this chance to recover and I at least am hoping and have faith that you will do it right.
/soapbox |
Dr Mercy
EC Riders Mech Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:11:00 -
[386] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This is exactly what we needed to see from Hilmar and CCP, and I applaud the courage it took to post such an apology to the community.
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Kheirozen
The Fallen Company
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:13:00 -
[387] - Quote
That little page of text just gave me back part of my hope for EvE.
But the game clearly needs new features with the Incarna stuff.
Flying around in a ship killing stuff is fun, but it's pointless after a time... We need more stuff to do, be it inside a station or whatever.
You know what would be awesome ?? Space Casino Stations.... man i'd waste all my time playing casino in EvE with all my ISK.
You've put CCP Back on the right track, now stay on it.
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Alaskan Hunter
Rule of Five Ultra Vires.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:20:00 -
[388] - Quote
+1 That was the most sincere letter I have read in a long while. It takes a great deal of courage to tell that many people sorry. I look forward to the future.
Thank you. |
Niel Bohr
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:20:00 -
[389] - Quote
Hard to fix a mistake until you admit it at least to yourself, and a hard thing that unfortunatly many are unable to do.
I understand the need for primarys to be immortal, but to have an alternate (leutenant etc..) to run in Dust (dissapointed in no PC I am not buying a game console period) or other enviorment (Landing party, damn captain shouldnt be out there anyway) would bring back the excitment of role playing that most have no memory of. Scouts (ala rangers) come into their own when you can be greased in an instant. The problem, was the whiners won and ruined the genre......
Also I have a hard time conceiving a battleship run by one person......a bridge enviorment with weapon specialists, fighter piolets,engineers etc etc would be a better player team interactive in my mind. Its not like a battleship shoud spend its time mining or other mundane tasks unless in dangerous waters....
Players could still run marketing , alts etc.. in the downtime. That makes your sound to general quarters a good drill...woe to the corp that cant get people to battlestations within 60 seconds.......
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Niel Bohr
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:23:00 -
[390] - Quote
Casino, yeah I love poker but cant afford to play, times being what they are.....
Bar brawls, no guns in hisec space.......stun guns only in most system stations???
I saw it he shot him in cold cash....... |
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pmota
the muppets RED.OverLord
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:24:00 -
[391] - Quote
Good blog, you failed, you're aware, you'll fix it. Couldn't ask for more myself. Just focus on making this awesome game even better and remember what players want to keep playing is just a few basic things (no bots, less lag, less bugs), not state of the art carbon (if you have it, great - but remember that's not what brought us here and sure won't keep us here by itself).
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Rrama Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:36:00 -
[392] - Quote
a truely great blog and it fealt heartfelt
But i hope this means that we will finally start to see some open dialog on an accelerated rate, more communication that was promised, more devblogs, more dev on community talking
CCP Tallest and the dramiel nerf was a great example, that i havent seen repeated really since that .... would be nice to see that continue...
I mean nebulas, the ship contest ships, POS redesign, all are great things but theres been little to no movement or atleast appears to be no movement which is what makes me depressed ...
I want to love eve like i always have, but yu guys really have to give me a reason to keep having that "Hell ya! look what ther eplanning, look whats coming this winter and next summer thats amazing!"
right now it tends to be ... ya they announced some amazing stuff but it might not actually see any of it till 2030 |
Marina Wolfstan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:37:00 -
[393] - Quote
All I say is Thanks for that Hilmar. Also I wanna ad I never lost my trust in CCP compared to many of the angry kids I saw in the forum I know that HUMANS makes mistakes and yes I say kids cuz of the way they behaved. Sure they are right to be angry but they can still behave and also I wanna add in my opinion to all of you on the forum that got rely angry if u think u can do a better job than go ahead start making a new eve game that is superior, well I did not think you would u bloody hypocrites.
And they say wow players are immature well eve player sure showed they can be worse.
Next Time be more Mature eve community.
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Holznar'ar Eoner
Blackheart Capsuleers
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:39:00 -
[394] - Quote
Keep the faith CCP! That video is bleeping cool. In EVE actions have consequences....it's why we play!
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Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
31
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:43:00 -
[395] - Quote
Sounds good to me Latest Video:-á-á Kill Will: Volume 4 |
Garret Myers
Hell's Horsemen
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:45:00 -
[396] - Quote
Here is what I do...
4 Accounts, 3 already terminated, this final one has 13 days remaining.
We begged and pleaded for what? 2 years? And still Incarna came out, in fact all those updates since Trinity came out... I cant believe it took me this long to quit. I was not trying to give up hope, but bah...
You have already shown what you do!!
Here is the result, your pocket book hit, and you come here begging. |
Garret Myers
Hell's Horsemen
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:47:00 -
[397] - Quote
Marina Wolfstan wrote:All I say is Thanks for that Hilmar. Also I wanna ad I never lost my trust in CCP compared to many of the angry kids I saw in the forum I know that HUMANS makes mistakes and yes I say kids cuz of the way they behaved. Sure they are right to be angry but they can still behave and also I wanna add in my opinion to all of you on the forum that got rely angry if u think u can do a better job than go ahead start making a new eve game that is superior, well I did not think you would u bloody hypocrites.
And they say wow players are immature well eve player sure showed they can be worse.
Next Time be more Mature eve community.
Kids huh!!
He spit in your face and you say be mature. I bet you think the TSA will keep America safe too. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:51:00 -
[398] - Quote
Huge amount of "hate" just vanished out of me,nice "sounding"blog.
Go Hilmar go. |
Elsa Nietchize
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:54:00 -
[399] - Quote
blah blah blah, words words words i'm still stuck paying for a crappy game only made crappy by your crappy decisions. we've given you the answers on how to make things better, you blew us off. now you want to say you're sorry and make it all better. you're right, actions speak louder than words, will i have to wait 18 monthsGäó before things start getting fixed? you're too powerful and your pay scale is too high for this kind of screw up. get it fixed or find another career opportunity. i'm tired of waiting for you to get your act together. |
Roldanus
Black Anvil Industries Deadly Unknown
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:01:00 -
[400] - Quote
CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP!!!
Thanks for those words.... I support CCP and its team for the job done and the one to come.
However, there are minorities in EvE that somehow need to be represented. CSM is not the voice of everyone. Professionals who play for EvE economy for example, its really a case study. Be proud of what u have done!!!
To add some polemic, not everyone is against paying for better gaming experience. There are ways to make this even with eve time players. Not everyone is a teenager in EvE and has the time to be all day long.
Im paying for entertainment , and I expect CCP to make profits so they can enhance the game to new frontiers.
Congratulations again. |
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Helig
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises Subspace Exploration Agency
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:01:00 -
[401] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar, very eloquent blog entry. I'm very glad that CCP is taking the feedback from players constructively and now recognizing how important that conversation will be to EVE's future. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:02:00 -
[402] - Quote
Wow...... just.... wow.
Thank you CCP Hellmar. Thank you for your strength, thank you for sharing your feelings, and most of all thank you for putting the best MMO in the universe back on the right tracks.
Please ignore all the negative ramblings, they're just children who do not understand the value and power of someone admitting to their mistakes.
You now have my full support and faith, and I'm changing my subscriptions back to yearly on all accounts.
-Nikolai |
Vincent Mayer
West Genetics
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:02:00 -
[403] - Quote
Quote: We underestimated our development time, set impractical or misleading expectations, and added insult to injury by removing something in which players were emotionally invested.
For me it was never the loss something i had emotional attachment to, it was simply taking away something that worked and sticking users with with something that was broken and made anything but high end computers fall to their knees, then sticking anyone that can't run it with an image of an ugly door.
Good to see Hellmar admit the mistakes with the recent updates though, this and the new changes on TQ have mostly restored my faith in CCP and my wanting to play eve again.
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Dawn Harbinger
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:06:00 -
[404] - Quote
Lunas Whisper wrote:Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal? I like this.
me too <3 |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
208
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:07:00 -
[405] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On one hand, "Wow, they will do what some players have been asking for years"
On the other hand, they will not do anything for me, not even cut down those bloody ludicrous NEx prices. No new Solo PvE content. No Solo/Casual endgame content. Nothing. Do the same that was doable 3 years ago (well, minus Lvl5, plus the five epic arcs).
I guess that here I am in the wrong side of "you can't please everybody", but nonetheless it's my 340 euros a year, some 800 Gé¼ since i began playing EVE, and fixing the troubles of nullsec bitchers it's not worth that kind of money. They will complete what you are after also, that just will take more time. Things what got top priority are the ones which were long overdue. The big picture will be ready when all the small pixels have been painted and organized to perfection.
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Dr Mercy
EC Riders Mech Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:07:00 -
[406] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal?
Another great post from Malcanis. |
Ms Tragula
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:08:00 -
[407] - Quote
Hmm, well I wrote a long reply, hit post and it disappeared. To summarise cos I'm not typing it all again:
I love the high quality player-developer interaction you can get in EVE and nowhere else, and I'm impressed by the way CCP have responded since the release of Incarna. The letter was great and inspirational, and here's hoping you guys can find your feet and make some real solid improvements to the game we all love.
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Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:11:00 -
[408] - Quote
+rep |
Metis Laxon
The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:12:00 -
[409] - Quote
Very impressed, can not wait to see what the renewed CCP will bring forward. Best of luck to you and your company Hellmar. |
Elvin Gizza
Gerek Ore And Moon Surveying
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:13:00 -
[410] - Quote
Thank you Himar
It takes a big man to admit failure.
Incarna is a great idea, but how it was rolled out, and seamingly focusing exclusively on it, lacking as it was and is, almost killed my confidence in you and CCP.
I've invested 7, soon to be 8 years in this game. and its hard to imagine a life without eve, but i had began thinking about it.
My confidence is renewed. But for the love og God remember the 3 C's: Communication, Communication and Communication
Thank you |
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Tygr Wolf
Sulsa Collective
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:20:00 -
[411] - Quote
I thank you for the insight , but it is still just rhetoric until the action is seen.
Best of luck in the endeavor. |
wicked cheese
Imperial Research Inovations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:25:00 -
[412] - Quote
glad to see ccp will be ontrack with the players once again. as many players have stated maintain good communication and feedback with the players and ideas. we turned you into a large company and we can make you larger. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
208
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:28:00 -
[413] - Quote
Marina Wolfstan wrote:I wanna ad I never lost my trust in CCP compared to many of the angry kids I saw in the forum I know that HUMANS makes mistakes and yes I say kids cuz of the way they behaved. Sure they are right to be angry but they can still behave and also I wanna add in my opinion to all of you on the forum that got rely angry if u think u can do a better job than go ahead start making a new eve game that is superior, well I did not think you would u bloody hypocrites.
And they say wow players are immature well eve player sure showed they can be worse.
Next Time be more Mature eve community. I agree with everything u said. I also wanna add it was really childish for kids like that to cancel their subscriptions cuz if u are rely angry and think better than go ahead and join wow! This Community is Immature.
btw would you marry me?
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Urobolus
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:29:00 -
[414] - Quote
Good read, props to Hilmar for his blog. Let's try to have some faith in CCP and hope they make good on their promises and visions. |
Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery Gryphon League
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:34:00 -
[415] - Quote
Hilmar, thank you for your honesty, courage in writing this, and your candor, but I must judge people and business alike by the same standard. I must look at your actions and behavior, and not by what is said.
I will admit that this is a refreshing change of tone considering what has been said and done in the past. The path to restoring faith has been started, and I certainly hope that you and everyone at CCP will live up to what was started with this letter. |
Angeliq
Soimii Patriei Vera Cruz Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:35:00 -
[416] - Quote
I must admit that I'm very impressed with the new Communication Officer (or however you call him/her), this blog is a very good example of proper communication skills. It follows all the basic rules of a public speech, it touches hearts, it provides hope, it leaves room for interpretation, it reveals a little insight on future changes, the "one good, one bad" script was applied correctly, but you know what Mr. CEO of CCP? You are still full of it! Acting all emphatic and humble like you suddenly grew feelings for the player base and it's needs. Maybe you can fool a lot of ppl with your new "look" but some of us and most important, YOU know that it's all business. |
Lex Avril
Integral Conceptions Inc. Integral Concepts Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:36:00 -
[417] - Quote
Respect for a CEO with balls! What a refreshing honesty in a world of 'corp marketing communicators' and the common other liars these days, who still think, anybody would believe them just a word.
For me changes contain always opportunities and hopes. "... hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions..." I do hope, CCP really hires people who can stand behind the players interests. I do hope CCP really stays independend and isn't undercut by certain groups who have their own opinions. And I'm also looking forward to get rid of that feeling, employees of CCP would participate in regular combats and wars by godmoding, 'just because they can'. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:36:00 -
[418] - Quote
Quote:(7:29:14 PM) courthouse: okay, **** CCP, **** Hilmar (7:29:28 PM) courthouse: "For the same reasons, IncarnaGÇöthe real one with actual meaningful gameplay in itGÇö will be a big step towards the future." (7:29:33 PM) courthouse: that line right there (7:29:49 PM) courthouse: that's as far as I got in his letter before I saw it for the smoke colonic that it is
Jabber leak ITT. |
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:40:00 -
[419] - Quote
At the end of the day words are :words:
Only when we see action and not empty promises will an apology be accepted My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:43:00 -
[420] - Quote
(Insert the usual meme of the last few months here)
But yeah, cynicism aside:
Glad you could make it, CCP, it's good to see you back. |
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DeftCrow Redriver
Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:46:00 -
[421] - Quote
CCP Hellmar, to show my appreciation to your letter, I have personally translated it and posted to another language-specific fansite. I was starting to get worried that CCP was running out of ideas on how to expand and iterate on EVE, but reading through the last four paragraphs and putting them into another language, I could really see the passion you have about the potential of EVE, to the point that you were getting agitated about not being able to show what you are seeing from it.
Thanks for restoring my hope for the unique world that is EVE. |
Chitsa Jason
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
17
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:46:00 -
[422] - Quote
wow... woowww!! i have been waiting for this for 2 years! |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Crimson Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:56:00 -
[423] - Quote
Thank you CCP and Hilmar for having given us such an amazing game over the years. Yes there have been downs, but mostly ups, else we all wouldn't still be here.
You ladies and gentlemen are fantastic. |
Kalissa
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:01:00 -
[424] - Quote
Very nice words indeed, if CCP's actions live upto what was said in the blog then the future is indeed bright for Eve and I forsee Eve clawing back a good percentage of the people who've left, though I doubt they'll all come back. |
Javajunky
Viscosity Controlled Chaos
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:03:00 -
[425] - Quote
I would like to officially tip my hat off.
Few people and in business leadership have what it takes to step forward and say, Yeah I own this one, my fault, but I'm going to change it up here and get back on track. In the world of backstabbing, selling people down the river.
Really a breath of fresh air. |
Dr Wahoos
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:11:00 -
[426] - Quote
Since day 1 of Incarna I had the quote " INCARNA... the day CCP stopped being Innovative" posted in my public channel MOTD and I had since stopped playing.
CCP, Thanks for admitting it - you messed a few things up - big time. Now that you've got my attention, let's hope you can capitalize.
Good luck in regaining the trust of thousands of disappointing players.
On behalf of EVE,
Dr Wahoos |
Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:14:00 -
[427] - Quote
Hilmar,
It's not every day that you see a CEO of a global multi-million dollar entertainment corporation commit "virtual seppuku" before his customers. Quite unprecedented.
If my last boss had taken one tenth of the responsibility for his actions and oversights that you did here, I'd quite likely have not quit. If I had quit anyways, it would have involved a lot less swearing and lawyers to say the least.
I have to say that no game, MMO or otherwise has grabbed hold of me quite like EVE. A good bit of that is quite likely due to the people I play it with but, that being said, there is nothing quite like EVE anywhere else. I'm glad that not only have you taken responsibility for your actions as the head of CCP, but looked for the future.
I hope that seven years from now I can tell noobs "Yeah, I remember back years ago when they rolled out WiS. . what was that, the Incarna expansion? . . . man, what a s**t-storm that was. . . let me tell you about how I got my monocle."
I seriously hope you can continue to earn my business. As so many others have said, "time will tell." With deeds to match these words, you will. Use your time wisely. |
10011100011
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:22:00 -
[428] - Quote
Excuse my ingles, its bad at best.
The Good:: - Some kind of apologies, still arrogant but showing some concern - Promise not to hit the "pay to win" key - "CQ was essentially a prototype feature that we foolishly promoted as a full-blown expansion" ... finally you wrote it - "Good things are coming. They always do when you learn from your mistakes" .... vague promises
The bad: - "they delivered some of the most amazing interior rendering and character technology in the industry" ..... what?? you must be joking .... - "we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" ... maybe. And maybe the real thing is that many subscribers cancelled or switched to PLEX or RMT because you guys ****ing over and over. I am sure that if all the expansions had the quality and focus of Apocrypha the numbers would be very different. - "most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game" ...... most people, or most EVE players?? There is a difference. Have you asked us? I missed that poll
The ugly: - DEVs writing obsequious posts. In this Hilmar post. Was an "order", a "suggestion" or what? Maybe in Iceland this is not a servile attitude. In the place I grew up, this kind of things talk very bad about the leadership of an organization. - Players too happy with Hilmar`s "letter". C-¦mon guys, you went all across from Jita-¦s piquetes (blockades, monument shooting) to "WOW". Its grotesque. Better wait next expansion to see if words translates really into concrete actions. |
Dr Wahoos
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:25:00 -
[429] - Quote
Tcar wrote: Hilmar,
It's not every day that you see a CEO of a global multi-million dollar entertainment corporation commit "virtual seppuku" before his customers. Quite unprecedented.
um, one word. Netflix. |
Dej Vu
ModestCo
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:27:00 -
[430] - Quote
EVE is great. There's just no game like this. We appreciate your work Hilmar and CCP and we really hope that you'll succeed on the way. |
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Booddaa Braggodocio
John Henry's Hammer
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:27:00 -
[431] - Quote
Apologizing is a great thing for people to do and it does take courage, especially when you are in a position of power, but behind this apology is nothing but excuses. I see no true direction for the future mentioned in this post, only excuses for why his decisions in the past were justified despite their failures. Empty promises of things to come are not a solution, and excuses do not make a genuine apology. Unless significant information is forthcoming about CCP's actual plans for the future, and the rectification of their mistakes, I'll keep plexing my accounts till I run out of cash in the off chance that I'll want to come back to skilled up characters at some point, but I don't see much hope for fixes as it stands. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:32:00 -
[432] - Quote
Thank you Hellmar for the statement. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:48:00 -
[433] - Quote
you can expect my 2nd and 3rd account annual resubs shortly.
thank you.
Ris |
Gwenywell Shumuku
21
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:58:00 -
[434] - Quote
Well well....what to say.
I can't ignore the fact that you finally had to bow before the decline of EVE and open your eyes to what others told you for months, years even. Does it hurt? It sure has for you to come crawling before the community.
I was very vocal about all the fuckup regarding the newsletter, your mail, the MT road to perdition and neglect of FIS. And ITS STILL NOT FORGOTTEN:
You took something from us the past months, the faith that EVE would get better over time and that we all have the best interest to keep EVE going. YOU seemed to rather focus on WoD and Consoles, basically preparing your company to work without EVE Online. The players reacted accordingly, and do what they do the moment they think the dev-cycle is nearing its end. They leave, as investing time+money in something thats ending is not worth it.
So here we are, CCP not ready yet to live without EVE, but players ready to live without CCP/EVE and leaving. And you come to us now, telling us you see the light, and everything will get better.
Now let me tell you this: ITS NOT A ONE TIME THING. You can't expect us to flip back to "oh we trust CCP now" stage. We don't. Many reactions here are just "relieve", but the will get ANGRY AT YOU the moment you screw up just a bit, NEVER FORGET THAT.
I say: cudos to you if you mean it, if you truly learned. Shame on you if you are just trying to overcome the 2-3 years it will take you to get WOD ready. We are not blind, we have been fooled by you guys before (no MT statements, promises about iterations....). We are very sensitive now, and even if we are holding on to last straws to keep playing, every thing you do now will be watched very closely. |
Chiralos
Merchant Princes
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:02:00 -
[435] - Quote
Thank you for that Hellmar.
It is frustrating, knowing where you want to get to but feeling that things are moving forward so slowly ...
The problem is that it is not enough to have a good game now and be heading towards a fantastic future for EVE; every step on the way there has to be a playable, fun game that is better than it was before, delivered with sinister grace.
Now, go and get busy doing some more impossible things. |
servalaan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:19:00 -
[436] - Quote
Well Hilmar... do i believe you? Actually yes, yes I do. But remember this: Actions speak louder than words Restore me from my jaded state and show us all just how great EvE can be.
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
30
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:21:00 -
[437] - Quote
Quite impressed by the letter. It's good to see that both you and CCP are back on the right track. This is something players have been waiting for for years, and it will do much to entice old jaded vets as well. |
LesbianCharizard
Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:22:00 -
[438] - Quote
Thank you.
I sincerely look forward to what comes next.
Keep it up the good work ! :D |
Humwawa
de Prieure
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
[439] - Quote
...and this is what makes CCP great and stand apart from other mmo-¦s !!! |
Ronin 8797
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
[440] - Quote
A very well said and passionate statement. The efforts are greatly appriciated. Eve is a wonderful thing and I look forward to the new developments. Best regards. |
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Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:30:00 -
[441] - Quote
Way to man up Hilmar. Couldn't have been easy but I think you said your piece well this time. Hopefully this is the start of making EVE and CCP back into great things. |
OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:37:00 -
[442] - Quote
if yuo truly believe in eve ,then i expect yuo will resign effective 3 months ago ,and to quote another saying TALK IS CHEAP |
progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:38:00 -
[443] - Quote
A genuine and sincere admittance of screw ups and losing touch is very refreshing to hear. Very impressive to hear. Definitely exactly what was needed to repair the company to customer relationships. Good ****. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:40:00 -
[444] - Quote
Well ... recognition that you've screwed up is the first step towards solving the problem you created - but it's only the first step.
Still ... it's better than living in denial and letting things continue to go downhill. So congratulations on that ..
One of the problems with having really ambitious goals such as redefining your product ... is that they aren't easy to achieve and lend themselves to huge screw ups. I worked in software development for over 20 years - and I've seen fortunes go right down the shitter because of failed projects. You seriously need to have something more useful for these characters to do besides walking around stations and doing emotes for player made videos on YouTube. I'll spare all the links I usually post as examples of that.
One serious problem I will point out though - is that with the Character Creator - and such videos as the one linked to in the blog - you've created a level of expectation for character ambulation that is going to be extremely difficult to meet with the legacy hardware many of EVE's players are using. For those of us who have taken advantage of EVE's ability to run multiple clients on one system - and formed our gaming strategy around that capability - we aren't doing it on a bunch of Top End Systems.
The investment on our part has already been made. We've already got the accounts, we've already trained the characters, we have set ourselves up to operate in a manner that is somewhat dependent on multi boxing in it's design. So we don't have the option to just not do that.
Every time you obsolete a bunch of old systems - it makes it that much harder for those of us who have used the game as it was sold to us to continue doing so.
Sure - we've got top end systems but bringing all our systems up to a technical level capable of running characters as they appear in the character creator - isn't going to happen in any thing like a reasonable amount of time. Yes - our average level system will improve over time as we buy new top end systems and what was top end becomes lower tier - but that's something that takes place over years for the average person who is multi boxing.
Now ... we the people who are currently playing and paying according to a monthly subscription model - really don't need to see our avatars. Maybe these other people you want to recruit do - but we don't or we wouldn't be playing the game now. Some people may be looking forward to having avatars they can run about but most of them don't NEED that to continue playing the game.
So ... don't create some resource hog that will obsolete a bunch of our systems - just so we can do something we don't care about - and believe me - however much YOU may care about ambulation - many of us don't care at all (unless we can shoot each other).
If the space ship part of the game works fine on our older systems - but ambulation doesn't - then you need to design your ambulation implementation so that it doesn't screw the rest of the game on our older systems.
If you do obsolete our older systems - and we can no longer support as many clients as we have subscriptions for - then we are going to start canceling accounts. We may well continue to play the game ... but if we can't run it the way we have been ... then it doesn't make any sense to keep paying for something we can't use any more.
Anyway - Good Luck with it. As George W. said to Barack - "We want you to succeed."
. |
Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:43:00 -
[445] - Quote
To Hilmar Rock on, never lost faith
To everyone else, go play |
Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:49:00 -
[446] - Quote
It took you how many MONTHS to finally apologize?
Funny how you can finally get some humility out of corporate fat cats when they are starring down the barrel of a multi-million dollar loan due at the end of the month and at the same time accounts leaving in droves.
Still, nice to see the CEO has some sanity and common sense left; because make no mistake, HUMILITY had NOTHING to do with that blog. CCP needed to do SOMETHING if they still wanted to have a game and/or a company in the next 6-12 months.
All that being said; I honestly don't believe a word that comes out of the mouths of CCP anymore; from Hellmar or anyone else. We've been lied to and marginalized so much and so often, I am not sure they CAN ever get that trust back; at least with me.
So, in DIRECT response to Hellmar's seeming apology I say:
"About damn time. Fix your freaking game and company while you still have one. Oh, and with all this "going back to your roots" crap, focusing on the PvP and whatnot, don't leave out new goodies for the industrialists. After all, the industrialists BUILD everything the rest of us like to blow up. If you loose the industrialists, you truly are screwed because you can ALWAYS find more PvPers......"
Peace all, and out.
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OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:53:00 -
[447] - Quote
Hienz Doofenshmirtz wrote:To Hilmar Rock on, never lost faith
To everyone else, go play
becuase of this tosser (Hilmar) i can no longer with a adsl connection and a top teir machine run 2 clients at the same time as of CQ so inorder to run both clients i have 2 option spend anothe 5,500 AUD on another pc and dual box which i doubt will work as i believe from investigating the peoblem it is bandwidth no alt tabbing causing the peoblem or i spend 80 AUD a month on ADSL 2 which i dont know yet if it will fix my problem of only being able to 1 client logged on at a time dec will let know and if i still cant run 2 clients on my top tier PC then i will stop paying for eve and that pisses me as i have invested my time and a lot of it sincew jan 2007 in this game never had any problems running 2 clients on same machine until CQ so Hienz get afucking a education or STFU.
my above quote still applies to Hilmar you wanna do good for eve resign effective 3 months ago and as talk in the past shows from CCP TALK IS VERY CHEAP,
I AM NOT GETTING MY 260+ AUD worth out f eve at the mo and i am very pissed opf about it |
Beltashazzah
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:56:00 -
[448] - Quote
I read this while at work, and your sincerity was clearly felt even then. When I arrived home I logged in and was greeted with a photo of you linking to your letter. I have no idea when that photo was taken but it absolutely conveyed the same measure of sincerity that I felt when reading your letter.
I truly commend you for not only writing it, but articulating it in such a way as to really encourage me that you understand the issues this amazing game is facing. I have no doubt that thu future will indeed be more exciting now. You have my support CCP.
Regards
Belt |
Shameless Shamus
Infinitely Stoned Fabrications Pator Tech
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:02:00 -
[449] - Quote
Thank you CCP Hilmar. Thank you for being so frank about your experiences and shortcomings, and your realizations. Turns out you are human after all :) |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:21:00 -
[450] - Quote
I very, very much hope that these words are followed up with sustained action. It's been disappointing to see so much of the work announced over the last couple years be stuff that.. well.. does nothing for me.
There are a hundred well-made MMOs where you run a little dude with a sword around, but only one first rate MMO where you fly a spaceship. Here's hoping EVE development really is re-focused on spaceships. |
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Nth Ares
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:22:00 -
[451] - Quote
Apology accepted and appreciated. Now please get to work and back it up with actions.
I feel more hopeful about the future of EVE, but you're in some tough competition for my subscription dollars this coming year. |
InnerAsvard
European BrotherHood
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:25:00 -
[452] - Quote
I really really REALLY appreciate that CCP Hellmar...
I love EvE, it's an MMO that i never grow bored of, i mean its a true sandbox where we make our own story, own destiny...
I like the rest have been worried about the games future lately, all focus seems to be on griefers and everyone else is left in the dust and as you mentioned there are a few areas that need polishing and/or tweaking.
In a nutshell reading your post when i woke up this morning has encouraged me to continue investing time and money into EvE and i just hope that your words come to light in the near future.
Let us pray that our playerbase is not hurt too badly by Decembers release of SWTOR
Thanks again boss o7 |
Artamis Kane
Logistic Nightmare
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:33:00 -
[453] - Quote
These words go a long way to restoring faith in the future of EVE. Actions will, of course, go the distance to keep it.
That being said, please, please listen to what the community is saying on the forums. I believe that to maintain a loyal player-base CCP will have to address many pre-existing issues with game-play before investing more time and energy into new 'shiny' elements that are clearly more geared to snagging new players.
Incarna, Dust and other CCP initiatives within EVE are fun and interesting, but simple things like clunky interfaces, boring and repetitions missions, broken Faction Warfare, broken COSMOS and the cluster**** that is modern-day lo-sec really need some serious looking after.
I am afraid that so much time will be invested into integrating DUST with EVE that EVE will suffer as a game. Some serious yet mundane fixes should be looked at and looked at hard.
EVE is a terrific game, but some parts of it are clearly stuck in 2005 and no matter how much DUST and Incarna might polish up parts of it and make it seem 'new' again, those parts will, in the end, drag the whole thing down. |
Dark Sabre
Invictus Australis Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:35:00 -
[454] - Quote
10-10 Hellmar,
Thankyou for your transperancy and humble appology. I applaud your courage and look forward to more great things from you and CCP.
Happy EvE player. |
ArchenTheGreat
Pulsar Nebulah Army of Lovers.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:37:00 -
[455] - Quote
Wow, I am impressed. Thank you and good luck. |
Remnantek
Quadranomicon Remnant
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:38:00 -
[456] - Quote
A sign of true leadership is taking the blame while you praise the work of those that work beside you.
Your words have not fallen on def ears, and i look forward to the visions of CCP.
I hope this MMO becomes the Alpha and Omega of MMO's.
PLEASE have fun building EvE, your joys in creation flow over into our playing.
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Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:39:00 -
[457] - Quote
This is evidence that you still have no idea what your doing lets break these down.
Hybrid weapons balancing (okay fine done know don't really care. Fix it.)
Factional warfare (Ummm did people ever do this? Seriously? Rly? Gonna waste more time on it?)
Assault ships (Okay.............)
Capital ship balancing (Ahh this is where you nurf super caps online because everyone has them so they need to be nurfed. Removing their value vs investment and removing the desire to achieve your end game.)
New T2 modules (See T2 section below)
Starbase logistics management (This is code for? Is this the ramp up and make your Jump Freighters juicier targets by having to lock on to their cyno's trick? Yes that's right make it even easier to loss the stuff people have worked towards. That sounds like a winner to the gaming masses coming from other games.)
New EWAR-Drones (STOP WITH NEW STUFF. The new stuff you've introduced over the past few years is what has made the game get worse and worse with every expansion since 07. But yep keep working on new stuff nobody needs. Same old CCP)
T2 Rigs manufacturing (And this is broken now how? It wasn't a year ago when I last stopped playing. Haven't looked at it in the two weeks been back. How have you screwed it up in the last year? Or is this another not broke but we need to tinker with it to break it?)
Ship spinning (So your programmers are unable to put something back in that they had for 8 or so years working fine? You need to wait months to put this back in? Did they loose the original or did they copy and past over it? Or does the developer that wrote the spinning ships environment no longer work there so you all have to go back to school to learn how to rotate a 3D object?)
New font (When there's so much game play and objectives broken and allocating more resources to fix these problems and you working on changing fonts? Rly? Like Rly?)
More captains quarters (You still don't have spinning ships back. You openly admit that your CQ was a problem and your dedicating resources to put more in?)
Time dilation (Okay we've all experienced fleet fights this has already been in the game for at least 6 years just through server performance you are not actually spending time on writing code to do this? Okay yeah that was a little sarcastic, Not much just a little. But that would have been nice 5-6 years ago.)
Anyways here's a list of problems that you need to be fixing
Capital ships (Address the issues that the community has brought up with capital ships and power blocks. I just came back after a year out of game so am not personally up to speed on all the particulars but this needs to be on your desk every day period. While at the same time that fix needs to not make them nurfed to the point as to negate the desire to fly or build them at all. For many flying a super is an end game ambition. If investment vs potential fun and risk of loss is not there you've effectively destroyed your end game. Why play to play a game if you don't have a goal to work towards. Ask yourself why play the game.)
Nullsec (Failure: Constellation sov. Failure: current sov system. It was kind of okay when came back last year. 0.0 was a chore trying to defend all these stations that nobody really wants other then to have just so someone else your not friends with can't have them. The proliferation of stations spawned from the incompetent design teams constellation sov idea and really screwed up 0.0 geography. Not to mention that at least you could get a small piece of 0.0 some place and build it up. Now you have the extra maintenance of maintaining all these station systems and don't even get the benefits from it. Again more work with no or little reward. 2nd hand information so may be wrong but heard the Mittani stated we have the caps to just go any take whatever we want from whomever we want. But nobody has anything worth taking. That's a major problem in a game if your main desirable space being Nullsec and people just plain don't want it.)
Production (T2 BPOs. Again last time I looked to buy a T2 BPO off someone you'd basically be giving up all the profits if you were to produce that item 24/7 for the next not kidding 5 years.................. Rly? So if you are a new player entering the game your are in effect locked out of a major part of production. Invention is a joke. Plain and simple. No really. Start up some method of making new T2 BPOs and make their distribution permanent or remove them and make everything invention. Those that have the money to just out right by the new ones will to try to hold the market. A steady stream of them need to be constantly being introduced. If a new player who is interested starts playing the game and realizes they have no chance to getting in to that area of production. It is another goal that just can not be achieved.)
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Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:43:00 -
[458] - Quote
Back in the day when you would start playing the game you had goals:
I'd like to get out to 0.0 I'd like to help build a station. I'd like to get a T2 BPO or two for production. I'd like to fly a super cap!!!
Now we have: I'd like to get out to 0.0 (easy to do just join a corp in an alliance with access but why bother? Lots of work for meh reward.) I'd like to help build a station. (More then enough of those around already.) I'd like to get a T2 BPO or two for production. (Can't be done. You can buy one for 5 years worth of it's payout.......why..........) I'd like to fly a super cap!!! (Sounds cool but I could spend a year investing and building up for one just to have it nurfed even more then they have from their original design. Not saying it wasn't needed. However with every nurf diminishes their value vs investment.)
CCP needs to start making fun goals for people to work towards. Not waste time with adding new fonts, ECM drones, new T2 modules. You talk about how non in game related things were a mistake such and micro transaction and such and still fail to address in game play issues except for "fixing Nullsec" You still seem to have no idea as to what it take to design a game. Game design is all about the goals and game play. Not about the fluff.
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BlinSky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:52:00 -
[459] - Quote
BlinSky wrote:Ok So Basically you know and admit that me (in my emo raging posts) and some other loyal to eve followers are right and you are wrong... great... that should keep some of us paying for another 2 or 3 months of game time in the hope for some "player loven changes" to take place....
Super cool now that you know you screwed up and since you care so much about the players... (yeah right sucking every lil bit of money from them not so important) do the following:
- get back in the 90 day GTC's, - seed eve with another 5k or so null sec systems, - setup a real bounty hunter's office/profession (maybe npc corp for every faction) - add motherships - add a cap or sub cap that will help small corps (20 dudes or so) to live in null sec on their own roaming the 0.0's as nomads, - reseed the moons, - add more ships and weapon types, - CHECK THE GM's FOR ABUSE.. I PERSONALLY KNOW 3 CASES IN WHICH THE GM's ACTED LIKE WHORES AND WITH ALL THE PETITIONING NOTHING HAPPEN LEADING TO A m8 OF MINE TO QUIT EVE. (Or formup a team that will be in charge of keeping the gm's in line) - STOP ADDING SO MUCH **** IN EVE WITHOUT KEEPING PASSE WITH THE BUGS THAT COME WITH IT. (there so many bugs with the latest patches thats not even funny). Leme show you 3 of them: 1) after undocking even know the 1 min session timer is over sometimes i get more session change notifications when trying to jump a gate. longest one was 2min something.. This bug is old news now and yet nothing seems to be done about it. 2) windows... windows.... they jump arround the screen when clicking something, the stacking doesent work properly... they stack w/e they want to and when... again nothing been done about it... 3) speed indicator... still gets stuck yes.... been fixed so many times people stop bothering to report....
Those are just 3 bugs that you can see in like 5 min of playing eve... there's many more and more been added with every patch but you simply don't take 5min break from filling eve with **** to simply FIX SOME BUGS.
So yeah overall I think that the blog from "eve guy in charge" is nothing but a "please stay with us for another 6 months and you will see it's gonna get better I beg you" blog. For real I think CCP tasted money and for that reason eve will never be the way it once was.. fun.
Just to prove what I just said think of this: People been crying for ship paint jobs and corp logos for years... what did CCP said when those will be introduced??? They gonna be under the vanity products. That basically means if you wanna have some fun flying a black ship with a pirate skull on it, pay CCP a plex or 2 or w/e... more monety to CCP... whats todays plex price??? 400mill you say???....
That's what CCP is doing and they know it. This blog is just smoke in the eyeballs another attempt to make old guys think of eve the way it once was... remember I WAS THERE?? ... same deal only now they stick it from behind....
Just wanted to add this:
IF YOU LOVE THE EVE COMMUNITY SO MUCH YOU'D MAKE DUST514 FOR PC ALSO, NT JUST FOR CONSOLES...
THAT POST IS A HUGE BULLSHIT AND IT WORKS, JUST READ THE ******* REPLIES FROM THE PEOPLE: "I'l stick arround for a while"... "now lets get to work"...
We have a saying here when it comes to voting on election day that sounds something like this: "YES THEY'R STUPID, BUT LOOK HOW MANY THEY ARE" That's exactly the people that the blog is aiming for.
Until they get actually back the 90day GTC's the way once was (so people don't worry about plex day and focus on actually having fun) or they say Yes We will launch dust 514 on pc at the same time as game consoles... I won't believe **** of what any CCP guys are saying may that be the ceo or the guy that's washing the toilets in that building.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
434
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:52:00 -
[460] - Quote
Ztrain wrote:This is evidence that you still have no idea what your doing lets break these down.
Hybrid weapons balancing (okay fine done know don't really care. Fix it.)
Factional warfare (Ummm did people ever do this? Seriously? Rly? Gonna waste more time on it?)
Assault ships (Okay.............)
Capital ship balancing (Ahh this is where you nurf super caps online because everyone has them so they need to be nurfed. Removing their value vs investment and removing the desire to achieve your end game.)
New T2 modules (See T2 section below)
Starbase logistics management (This is code for? Is this the ramp up and make your Jump Freighters juicier targets by having to lock on to their cyno's trick? Yes that's right make it even easier to loss the stuff people have worked towards. That sounds like a winner to the gaming masses coming from other games.)
New EWAR-Drones (STOP WITH NEW STUFF. The new stuff you've introduced over the past few years is what has made the game get worse and worse with every expansion since 07. But yep keep working on new stuff nobody needs. Same old CCP)
T2 Rigs manufacturing (And this is broken now how? It wasn't a year ago when I last stopped playing. Haven't looked at it in the two weeks been back. How have you screwed it up in the last year? Or is this another not broke but we need to tinker with it to break it?)
Ship spinning (So your programmers are unable to put something back in that they had for 8 or so years working fine? You need to wait months to put this back in? Did they loose the original or did they copy and past over it? Or does the developer that wrote the spinning ships environment no longer work there so you all have to go back to school to learn how to rotate a 3D object?)
New font (When there's so much game play and objectives broken and allocating more resources to fix these problems and you working on changing fonts? Rly? Like Rly?)
More captains quarters (You still don't have spinning ships back. You openly admit that your CQ was a problem and your dedicating resources to put more in?)
Time dilation (Okay we've all experienced fleet fights this has already been in the game for at least 6 years just through server performance you are not actually spending time on writing code to do this? Okay yeah that was a little sarcastic, Not much just a little. But that would have been nice 5-6 years ago.)
Anyways here's a list of problems that you need to be fixing
Capital ships (Address the issues that the community has brought up with capital ships and power blocks. I just came back after a year out of game so am not personally up to speed on all the particulars but this needs to be on your desk every day period. While at the same time that fix needs to not make them nurfed to the point as to negate the desire to fly or build them at all. For many flying a super is an end game ambition. If investment vs potential fun and risk of loss is not there you've effectively destroyed your end game. Why play to play a game if you don't have a goal to work towards. Ask yourself why play the game.)
Nullsec (Failure: Constellation sov. Failure: current sov system. It was kind of okay when came back last year. 0.0 was a chore trying to defend all these stations that nobody really wants other then to have just so someone else your not friends with can't have them. The proliferation of stations spawned from the incompetent design teams constellation sov idea and really screwed up 0.0 geography. Not to mention that at least you could get a small piece of 0.0 some place and build it up. Now you have the extra maintenance of maintaining all these station systems and don't even get the benefits from it. Again more work with no or little reward. 2nd hand information so may be wrong but heard the Mittani stated we have the caps to just go any take whatever we want from whomever we want. But nobody has anything worth taking. That's a major problem in a game if your main desirable space being Nullsec and people just plain don't want it.)
Production (T2 BPOs. Again last time I looked to buy a T2 BPO off someone you'd basically be giving up all the profits if you were to produce that item 24/7 for the next not kidding 5 years.................. Rly? So if you are a new player entering the game your are in effect locked out of a major part of production. Invention is a joke. Plain and simple. No really. Start up some method of making new T2 BPOs and make their distribution permanent or remove them and make everything invention. Those that have the money to just out right by the new ones will to try to hold the market. A steady stream of them need to be constantly being introduced. If a new player who is interested starts playing the game and realizes they have no chance to getting in to that area of production. It is another goal that just can not be achieved.)
Impressive. You've demonstrated your ignorance of literally every single major issue. To be as thoroughly, meticulously and consistently wrong as your post was must have taken considerable hard work and dedication. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Aramis Defranzac
Rudel Taktik Exodus.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:54:00 -
[461] - Quote
Great step for the future of the eve community, and I appreciate you making a personal post on the state of eve along with its short falls.
Personally I haven't seen anything worth while since WHs were added to the game, new ships great, mods great, PVP is the name of this game, let's see what comes next...my fingers are crossed.
Good luck CCP
P.S. Don't forget our industrial boys sitting in our home systems manufacturing ships for us to Pew Pew in, they are just as important :) |
Vladimir Ilych
Gradient Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:04:00 -
[462] - Quote
Much appreciated. |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:10:00 -
[463] - Quote
Thank you for the appology CCP Hellmar.
I really love Eve Online its unique in many ways, and would love to see that future vision within the game that you linked in your letter. But things like that take time and there is no sense in rushing.
There is no other MMO that I know of that allows you to change the shape of the world maps by owning location (systems) , PvP and death in Eve actually mean something unlike other MMO's where you respawn and feel nothing other than a 5 minuet walk back to where you was. Because of this I am more conected to my characters in Eve than any other MMO I have played.
There is only one MMO that gives me the shakes in pvp and that Eve Online, no other rush like it. |
Kossaw
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:22:00 -
[464] - Quote
Very few companies can manage to recover from the state that CCP was in until today - usually because the company leadership is incapable of seeing the need for change.
Thankyou Hillmar for seeing the need and beginning the changes required. |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:23:00 -
[465] - Quote
$current_confidence_in_ccp = -9000;
$good_expansion = 1000; $good_patch = 100; $good_blog = 10;
$current_confidence_in_ccp += $good_blog;
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Cors
It's A Trap It's A Trap Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:25:00 -
[466] - Quote
Quote: "From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past."
WHY THE HELL does every executive in every game company think this.
NOWHERE do PLAYERS say they want microtransactions.
WHERE do PEOPLE who already pay for your game TELL YOU they WANT THIS.
MY GOD. The greed that is slapping us in the face, beating us with sticks, stealing our wallets is called Microtransactions.
**** OFF with MICROTRANSACTIONS.
Just because half the Japanese/Chinese/Korean games do this does NOT mean it's a good model. This is the model for games that are on their dead beds. Games that have no development team left. Games that are DIEING!
MMO's started out with a monthly fee. They should STAY with a monthly fee.
This allows you to focus development dollars on CONTENT, and not millions of useless shiny bobbles for vain basement dwellers to pimp out their char's, that NO ONE SEE'S.
As for WIS it self, you guys are going about this backwards.
Start with STATION interiors. NOT captains quarters. THEN go to shops. THEN go to Bars. THEN go to ship customization. THEN go to barbie in space.
You guys want me to pimp my ride, before I have a drivers license, before I have a job. Before I have roads to drive on. Before I have insurance. Before I can buy gas. Before I even have the damned car.
FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS FiS |
Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:28:00 -
[467] - Quote
I think this statement is weak. badly chosen words and looks like now CSM got what they wanted. specialy that goon fecker. Everyone can make mistakes true, But as an CEO you choose the direction what you think is best ( profit wise ) and when you feck up, you make sure it doesnt happen again.
At the start of 2003 you listen carefully of what the community had to say. As there a couple of people very smart who can help you overcome most obstacles. Bring that back.
And when you are about to release something.. then step away from it and think by your self how would the community react on that. What will they see?
Cause as you should know by now where a harsh fecking community.. loyal but dont feck with them. |
Node Crash
Schrodinger's Labs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:35:00 -
[468] - Quote
While encouraging, words are only words. And Hilmar's words carry less weight with the playerbase in than most after some of what's gone on.
Deeds, not words, Hilmar. Show me, don't tell me. |
boeboe joe
Helix Commonwealth Command Helix Commonwealth
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:39:00 -
[469] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar, personally I have a lot of respect for you right now, if that means anything.
This explanation and honest apology, shows many I think, your commitment to the EVE community of how things are going to improve in and for CCP. But as you said actions will speak louder than words ever will the following months for the upcoming expansion. |
Ceapa Rosie
Dvice Shipyards
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:43:00 -
[470] - Quote
Many people when reaching up high on the tide forget where they left from, is a very common mistake, very few realize this mistake and work on fixing it. Mr Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson I sincerely congratulate you for your personal revelation and I am confident things will change for the better with EVE, it would be a shame to let decay something so wonderful and with so much potential as the EVE universe is.
Best of luck, and always remember where you started from. |
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Xavier Linx
Omni Research
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:50:00 -
[471] - Quote
The tradition of begging the community for forgiveness runs strong in CCP. That is good.
When can we expect results?
I'm not talking about ship spinning or AUR. I am talking about actual game play, especially High sec and now low sec. I am talking about the failed PvP action that single mindedly focuses on fleet battle.
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Umbriele
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:58:00 -
[472] - Quote
Remove PLEX.
I shall restart to give CCP real money for my two accounts, a thing I am not doing since 4 years. |
Ender Sai
Foetus Mart
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:06:00 -
[473] - Quote
Normally I would be enclined to rabble and demand "moar pewper".
But instead I did shed a small tear.
I shall attend a small vigil in the Hilmar system as a sign of respect for this awesome post. |
Zotog
Zoop Roids
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:14:00 -
[474] - Quote
Good to see some reflection and move back to the central theme of the game. Hopefully we will see more interaction with the community to gather development directions and options. As they say actions speak louder than words ... so I await your actions |
greeny knight
Solar Storm The Forsaken.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:15:00 -
[475] - Quote
wel it looks like an appoligy
as a long timeplayer - going hit 8 years in a few months , i see al the changes and my concern whas with the introduction of cappital class ships was its getting to big those are the i win ships . i'm right .
i saw the russian maffia take over 0.0 space with botting and rmt , i'm right , if you don't speak russian you are not in 0..0
i hear rumors that some ores gonna vanish in high and low sec and forcing miniers in 0.0 welcome to the renters making the russians richer ,
i hear when you jump into local you only apear after 30 sec , welcom to the killfest of ratters
i hear 0.0 space gonna get the same overview like wh space wel good luck perma cloackers
i hear the capitals ships gonna get a buff especialy the dreads so they can kill supercaps and they tracking improve , more i win attractive ships
o boy i love this game right (sarcastic) o boy i love ccp right (sarcastic) mm suk is comming i guess we all gonna be forced on the planet under the protection out of space from the russians
mm they have the i win button its called the great game eve-online (not sarcastic) |
Evan Skalder
Deviance Cartel Hedonistic Imperative
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:17:00 -
[476] - Quote
Most of us would find it difficult to apologise to our significant other/loved one/person who cares. Hilmar has just eaten humble pie in front of an anonymous crowd. That alone says great things and I look forward to awesome unleashed.
A small point to consider in the new found direction. EVE is not like any other MMO. People find EVE after being unhappy in various other MMOs, they try new shiny ones and come back to EVE, because the new MMO doesn't fit. When multi-MMO'ing, it is the other MMO that eventually gets the boot, not EVE. The EVE community are the people who are not catered for in other MMOs. As such, the metrics gathered in other MMOs cannot be translated into EVE just like that. I suspect that some metrics are completely irrelevant to EVE and some EVE metrics would be equally irrelevant in other MMOs. I concede that this is my impression and that I have no hard data to back that up.
That might sound elitist, but, well, this is EVE. |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:20:00 -
[477] - Quote
I accept the sincere looking apology,
When the new features/content arrive this winter, I will determine if I can have fun again in EVE. Till then I will be engaged elsewhere for sure, doing nothing but skill training. Hopefully old friends will still be there when I come back and not also entangles in a EVE midlife crisis.
Make no mistake, the improvements must be engaging enough to drag players like me a few patches along to the next entertainment level to kick in. I have been grinding for wealth for so long now, that I truly need something else I can enjoy. Just adding more wealth in anticipation just doesn't cut it anymore for me.
Hope to see you soon in an Improved EVE on my PC :) |
Biff Rodgers
Null Sec Enterprises Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:20:00 -
[478] - Quote
Hilmar's speach puts me at rest. No longer do I have the fear CCP is charging full steam ahead regardless of what the player base says. Thanks Hilmar, it's good to see that CCP can work with the players and come up with a lasting MMO. As a side note. While the graphics is wonderful, much time and effort has been but into it. Is there now a time to look over the game play? Game play is more often than not more important than graphics? yes? So long as the graphics are ok, but with EVE the graphics are already awesome. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
11
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:26:00 -
[479] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar.
You just earnt yourself my two subscriptions for the forseeable future.
Its this direction and working with your player community that is going to make Eve stronger and greater!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Nyag
Noctiscion The Phoenix. Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:31:00 -
[480] - Quote
Maybe I read a different blog?
I got the stuff about being too arrogant to listen etc and acknowledging the fact that mistakes have been made is always a good step.
Then I get to to the other bits;
Yes we did some stuff that we said was great but it's pretty poor because it's unfinished and kind of pointless without the rest of it.
But it was really good stuff
pointless and useless but REALLY great, industry leading, stuff.
then we move onto the Gold Ammo debate
"let me be blunt" it starts and then he caveats his words with a comment about, unless mmo's change radically.
A paragraph later he is saying MMO's are changing radically and monthly subscription is going. (Damn and I just renewed for 6 months)
So maybe this is an English translation thing and that I am taking note of stuff he doesn't know he's saying, but I doubt it.
so
No Pay to Win unless stuff changes a lot
Stuff is Changing a lot
So I start to wonder if this is how the CSM were lubed up over the debate. Lots of concilliatory noises, a few caveats dropped in, then all are happy. Except one set of folk know exactly what they are doing and are being deliberately misleading to avoid a confrontation on the issue.
So from a humble players point of view Helmar should have left those paragraphs out. If he wanted to deal with that he should have dealt with the whole fiasco of the "emergency summit", he didn't. If he wanted to make a clear statement he should avoid caveats and positioning , he didn't.
I read the first few paragraphs and thought, "He gets's it, he really does" then I read the rest and thought "he may get it but he has no intention of changing a thing"
I'm old enough to vote, one thing that really winds me up is spin.
However well intentioned this may have been it has the flavor of spin about it to me
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John Godsmack
Lithos Sarkophagos
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:33:00 -
[481] - Quote
Thank You. This is the kind of letter I was hoping to see here! Live up to your statements, and EVE will be THE best mmo out there. |
AMirrorDarkly
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:41:00 -
[482] - Quote
Not often I am pleasantly surprised by a press release these days, but you have my respect for publishing a difficult but much needed apology.
I hope eve online can become what the dedicated player base knows it can become.
Now lets see it happen...... And happen right!
Community would rather it be done right and take a bit longer than be rushed and bodged attempt because you are trying to meet a deadline.
Of course the community would also rather it was done fast and right There is a challenge for you all.
Good list of fixes, but I question if Faction Warfare can be fixed in the 11 weeks to christmas.
I hope this is a good sign of things to come. |
Raptor2022
Mews Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:44:00 -
[483] - Quote
Well done. Well said.
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Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:55:00 -
[484] - Quote
Thank you for that. It's not an easy thing to get to realise once you've straid off the path.
This reminds me of the time I told a CEO off from another company who just pushed his views regardless of what the research stated the audience wanted. I told him - "It's not about what you want. It's about what the audience wants." - I can still see his eyes looking at me in disbelief that someone told him off like that. I'm glad he listened because a half year of work didn't go down the drain.
Eve Online is the only MMO and game that has ever moved me to actually pay a monthly subscription. In short, great game, great people and great potential. |
Baneken
The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
8
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Posted - 2011.10.06 07:57:00 -
[485] - Quote
Well the letter is sincere but as always when writing such letter, CCP & Hillmar now have to cash in the promises given. However CCP is the only MMO-company I know that actually apologizes to their customers or even acknowledges the as more then just cash cows to be milked dry, so I have my faith on them. |
RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
9
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:08:00 -
[486] - Quote
Carefully chosen words. I appreciate your words Hilmar, and I do feel that you have put your soul into this letter.
However, I found you in bed with a doll. You stopped listening to others altogether and did what you wanted to do, regardles of how others felt. It's gonna' take me some time to start trusting anything you say again - so many hollow promises you never made good on and the neglect. I'm trying to trust you again, but it will take some time...
I hope you understand why things can never go back to what they where, and why I will never be able to completely trust you again.
ps: beta forums are beta, and are seriously getting on my nerves now... |
Sigourney Teaser
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:11:00 -
[487] - Quote
Nice letter. But can we have those new nebulaes if they are not hard to implement? :) |
Schnapss
RusIndustry and Research Corporation Wreck Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:12:00 -
[488] - Quote
Quote:Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community.
what the ******* ****? These words are absolutely destroyed the meaning of the rest. It shows that you understood nothing! These words are showing that the letter is fake for all of us. |
the teddybear
Iron-Sky IMPERIUM.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:16:00 -
[489] - Quote
Hilmar, you can expect me to re sub at the end of the week and adding 3 more subs in a month, I applaud you for saying that you had done a wrong and plan on making things right. Now we need governments to do the same and the world would be happier. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
207
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:17:00 -
[490] - Quote
Sigourney Teaser wrote:Nice letter. But can we have those new nebulaes if they are not hard to implement? :)
To quote CCP Zulu's response to his blog:
CCP Zulu wrote:We're still looking into what graphics and visual aspects we can get in there. I'll make sure we update with that information as soon as we can.
Things like the Cyno effect and engine trails are obviously high on that list.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:22:00 -
[491] - Quote
Hellmar haz the cutest face in Iceland, I've always trusted him. I wish he invites me to his CQ to let me give a big thank you for his letter
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Strazdas Unstoppable
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:24:00 -
[492] - Quote
This is a good blog. Certainly has restored some image to CCP. however there still are some things to point out.
Quote:The fact is, in spite of our missteps, they delivered some of the most amazing interior rendering and character technology in the industry, and their efforts deserve praise. No. Optimization wise - this is the worst technology ive seen in 5 years, save for silent hill 5, which was even worse. Rendering wise, the time it took to render it and the way shadows went all over the place certainly wouldn't make it amazing. Sure a lot may have gone into physics, of which we see pretty much nothing, that does not make it allright. Sure you may not have done the best engine, big deal, but at least dont go boosting like you did. Same for your carbon character creator, you certainly arent the first ones to make it like that.
Quote:Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. I've heard this theory before. It really makes me wonder, what happened to human race? Why make EVE like any other generic MMO? |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:33:00 -
[493] - Quote
Strazdas Unstoppable wrote:
No. Optimization wise - this is the worst technology ive seen in 5 years
looking at your head, you succesfully pull out the worst from that worst technology
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Ms Freak
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:36:00 -
[494] - Quote
Well said HIlmar, Well Said. |
Lady SixSkies
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:36:00 -
[495] - Quote
Not many people/companies can do this.
My bows to you. |
oematoema
The Muppet Show
22
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:38:00 -
[496] - Quote
Based on the numbers of people rage-unsubbing after some words in a blog and then reconcile-resubbing after some words in another blog, this World of Darkness-vampires/emo-game might be succesful after all.
Also, does all this sweet talk mean you're going to pay attention to those lonely Feedback and Issues threads in the Information Portal? Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online. Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so. |
Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:46:00 -
[497] - Quote
I accept the apology. At least we seem to have regained contact. For a long while it seemed that problems with communication were result of CCP not listening.
However, there are more than attitudes that need changing. Now CCP needs to realize that the supercap problem is escalating and doing havoc to eve player base due to the resulting apathy, which you partly helped create with the anomaly nerf. We need changes rather fast. Time is against you.
For the off chance that a CCP dev reads this response, I will link here an excellent blog detailing the many problems of the supercaps. Blog is by one Easley Thames. It should be required reading for Soundwave and other devs in charge of Eve ship development. |
Wrayeth
EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:52:00 -
[498] - Quote
Well.
I had a nice, eloquently written post expressing my thoughts on the matter, then your forums ate it. In the course of trying to re-type it, I tried to copy what I'd written before posting to prevent it from being lost if the forums decided to send me back to a blank posting screen...and accidentally managed to delete the text instead with a mis-click. I'm going to try posting this one more time, though it won't be anywhere near as eloquent or concise as my original post (I couldn't quite find the words a second time around, and this will be the third).
Originally, after reading the blog, I wasn't sure if I was going to post a response. After mulling it over in the back of my mind, I decided to throw a few words up on the forums, anyway.
In any case, I suppose it's endemic of the human condition for our leaders to make grandiose statements and promises, only to fail to live up to them. It's something I've seen from just about everyone ranging from managers and CEOs all the way up to just about every member of the government of the country I live in. I'm sure some of them meant well at the time, but they almost always fall short or fail to live up to their promises; it's just how the world works.
I've been playing EVE for a long time, almost a quarter of my life. Since 2004 I've seen the game evolve from something amazing into something that is no longer anywhere near as much fun as it once was. Mechanics changes and sheer population density have reduced something that was once truly enjoyable into simply another way to pass the time. Over the course of the last year or so, this has gotten worse.
Yet...
There has always been something unique about EVE. Despite its problems, there is still something there, something indefinable that keeps me coming back. EVE's potential is huge, so staggering that it almost can't be grasped, if only the developers will take us there again.
The came the revelations and scandals of the last few months, and I found myself forced to re-evaluate the status of my subscription. It seemed that, over time, the game developer that I had once had more faith in than any other, had turned into EA (harsh words, I know). I gave it some thought and decided that I would watch CCP's actions over the course of the remainder of the year, then make my decision.
I was extremely surprised when I read the blog; I had not expected a huble apology from CCP at this point. Most leaders and game developers never admit to a mistake, much less apologize. In fact, I wanted to cheer when I was done reading the blog. However, this lasted only for a few moments before my enthusiasm was tempered by reality. It's easy to make sweeping claims of change, but far harder to implement them.
In short, I want to believe in CCP again. I want to see EVE again become the game that it once was, an amazing sandbox that outshined each and every other game out there....
I'm just not sure that it will happen.
Being a very jaded and cynical individual, I'm going to hope for the best, but expect the worst. Please, CCP, prove me wrong!
P.S. As expected, what I wrote above rambles and lacks significant consistency, but it's what I've got after the forums at my first two posts. |
Draca Maru
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:52:00 -
[499] - Quote
Well, this seems promising. We'll see how things go. |
ISquishWorms
22
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:53:00 -
[500] - Quote
CCP Prism X wrote:Words cannot describe my feelings when I was reading over the draft yesterday. I might have shed a manly tear. Nothing I post here will do Dear Leader or my own feelings on the subject any justice. But I'm looking forward to the future now. It is clear that owe Dear Leader a great big hug. But he somewhat scares me whenever I stand next to him. Dear Leader is huge and intimidating like that. Interesting times ahead! Time to live up to Dear Leaders example.
This pretty much sums up how I feel and not being good with words I could not put it any better myself.
I can once again look forward to where Eve will take us. You have at CCP built what I consider to be the very best of MMO's, now I can't wait to see what the future holds. Together, us as the players and you as the implementers and creators can make this a game that any space fanatic will want to play. Faith restored now watching to see what happens. |
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Nathanial Victor
Pelennor Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:56:00 -
[501] - Quote
Thank you. We appreciate the communications.
My account reactivation will be performed after implementation of the much needed and delayed changes.
You've made the first step towards regaining my trust. I am hoping you continue to make the journey required. |
Junky Juke
Delta Division.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:58:00 -
[502] - Quote
Humility... a good starting point! |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
240
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:05:00 -
[503] - Quote
I've now published my official reaction to Hilmar's letter in my blog:
Hilmar's 'Apology' Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Ghost Resonance
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:08:00 -
[504] - Quote
:words:
Still watching. Nice job on cyno and ship spinning. We are now back to 2007 in terms of gameplay. What you have in store for winter is of much greater importance. Then we'll see what all this sincerity buys... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:08:00 -
[505] - Quote
Cors wrote:WHERE do PEOPLE who already pay for your game TELL YOU they WANT THIS????
Monthly subscription fees BUILT CCP. BUILT EVE ONLINE.
MY GOD. The greed that is slapping us in the face, beating us with sticks, stealing our wallets is called Micro transactions.
**** OFF with MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
Just because half the Japanese/Chinese/Korean games do this does NOT mean it's a good model. This is the model for games that are on their dead beds. Games that have no development team left. Games that are DIEING!
Many people reduced their time spent in EVE in favor of games like WoT (power & convenience MTs) or LoL (vanity & convenience MTs).
Maybe you'll argue that these games are fundamentally different from EVE but I think especially the wide-spread love for WoT among EVE players (and "gold ammo" in WoT gives you a very significant advantage) is a huge pointer to CCP that the issue is with "subscription AND power MTs" and not power MTs per se.
So, yes, I think there is a pretty strong argument that players themselves tell CCP with their actions that MTs are at least acceptable (if not preferable to a subscription-based model). |
Ameno Furi
Vengance Inc. Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:09:00 -
[506] - Quote
1. i realy enjoyed to read the posts! Thank you for them and hopefully being honest!
2. all on the list looks nice and im looking forward to see what will be released soon
3. by saying Spaceships......i realy hope of getting to see something new and not another old recolored ship with 2 extra boni...
looking forward to all the hopefully good and balanced changes |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
130
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:14:00 -
[507] - Quote
I don't particulary agree until it's backed up by actions, and your comparison with Charlie Brown and Lucy is pretty accurate so that might be why I'm hesitant.. either case; it's alot better than not having this blog, so it's a step forward. Even tho technicly we havn't had anything happen yet.
I'm curious too to see if you see through the populist choices of 'fixes' for the winter expansion, and note that nothing major is really noted to get this game back on track? Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
130
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:21:00 -
[508] - Quote
Florestan Bronstein wrote:Cors wrote:WHERE do PEOPLE who already pay for your game TELL YOU they WANT THIS????
Monthly subscription fees BUILT CCP. BUILT EVE ONLINE.
MY GOD. The greed that is slapping us in the face, beating us with sticks, stealing our wallets is called Micro transactions.
**** OFF with MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
Just because half the Japanese/Chinese/Korean games do this does NOT mean it's a good model. This is the model for games that are on their dead beds. Games that have no development team left. Games that are DIEING!
Many people reduced their time spent in EVE in favor of games like WoT (power & convenience MTs) or LoL (vanity & convenience MTs). Maybe you'll argue that these games are fundamentally different from EVE but I think especially the wide-spread love for WoT among EVE players (and "gold ammo" in WoT gives you a very significant advantage) is a huge pointer to CCP that the issue is with "subscription AND power MTs" and not power MTs per se. So, yes, I think there is a pretty strong argument that players themselves tell CCP with their actions that MTs are at least acceptable (if not preferable to a subscription-based model).
Yah, we can take me for example. At my peak I had 50+ characters and quite a bunch of accounts active in this game. I'm one of those older customers who been through most expansions and changes in this game. But since this spring I only log to change skills and read mails, more or less.
I've gone to use my gaming time in WoT, LoL, both free to play. I'm also re-playing old games like Warcraft 2, the Heroes of Might and Magic series (including the beta 6). Civilization, NWN, etc. I.e. I'm playing games that either are free to play, or games I bought or downloaded years ago.
I already cancelled my SW:TOR pre-order, I've dropped my EVE accounts to what is already pre-paid, and I don't really feel a reason to play anything that cost me money. That's the reality of the MMO industry as a whole, look at Blizzard, dropping 2 million subscribers in short time wasn't it? 12->10? Meanwhile free to play games are doing well.
There are still people around who don't mind paying a monthly subscription, that is right, but it's a given fact that the MMO industry can see where things are heading. Free to play is the reality (right now) and something you want to introduce sooner rather than later. When Zulu posted his blog about "big changes", I actually believed CCP had taken the decision to go free to play and rely on PLEX/NeX for the future. It's quite obvious they're looking at that direction right now. Hilmar, Zulu, Soundwave: We care about our hobby. Do you care about your jobs? |
Ivan Svyatoslav
RedSun Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:23:00 -
[509] - Quote
I kinda feel there should be a gathering of folks around the Jita monument remote-repping it, as a symbolic undoing of past damages.
Thank you for the message, I look forward to this winter. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
62
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:28:00 -
[510] - Quote
I'm not sure what to make of this emo crap...
In fact... I'm a bit taken aback...
Just come out with some good EvE Sh%t zulu.
I don't give a rats ass about your self discovery.
I want to take over the fuc^*@*g galaxy.
Produce el game yo...
...and all will be forgiven.
...I just want a reason to get in my spaceship... ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
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Lorna Sicling
Helix Pulse
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:33:00 -
[511] - Quote
Well done - well said. It takes a lot to be that open and honest and humble before such a harsh community.
The passion and commitment to doing things right has been put in writing in no uncertain terms, and I'm excited about the next steps.
Eve has a future, and the two devblogs have shown that the future can be a good one.
Now let's see some of the devblogs about the changes! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
62
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:38:00 -
[512] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode ALL GëívGëí Ships | Odd-áGëívGëí Items | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:41:00 -
[513] - Quote
Gogela wrote:I'm not sure what to make of this emo crap... In fact... I'm a bit taken aback... Just come out with some good EvE Sh@t zulu. I don't give a rats ass about your self discovery. I want to take over the fuc^*@*g galaxy. Produce el game yo... ...and all will be forgiven. ...I just want a reason to get in my spaceship... EDIT: CSM - kiss my a55. you guys suck. Zulu - Listen to this: thisNow Play "Freelancer". Go get some Nomad Guns. No lets bring a revolution. Where's my secret Nomad gate to the unknown? Your a producer. Produce. :D the bbcode parser doesn't like the percentage sign, avoid using it if you want other people to see your post. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
240
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:41:00 -
[514] - Quote
Misanth wrote:I don't particulary agree until it's backed up by actions, and your comparison with Charlie Brown and Lucy is pretty accurate so that might be why I'm hesitant.. either case; it's alot better than not having this blog, so it's a step forward. Even tho technicly we havn't had anything happen yet. I'm curious too to see if you see through the populist choices of 'fixes' for the winter expansion, and note that nothing major is really noted to get this game back on track?
Bear a few things in mind:
1.) If it's not been made clear by the numerous blogs and dev postings, CCP basically had to scrap their August release planning because, "What is this **** I don't even we are ******..."
2.) As a result, they spent the last 3-4 weeks not only changing course but re-shuffling resources and prioritizing what they could do with the time and resources left before December.
3.) While all this was going on, CCP also had to unfuck their public relations which meant letting certain people speak up and telling others to shut up. In the end, Hilmar decided to just stomp on it all and attempt to right the ship from the top down. Granted, this should have been done months ago, but at least it's done now and in a way that leaves CCP no room at all for error.
4.) What we will get for Winter will be in preparation for much larger / bigger / shinier stuff come next year. While all of the 'fixes' and updates are going on in the trenches, the Art department and such can go ahead and start working on NEW STUFF that can be coded and mechanically integrated next year.
I am still not sure if certain people in the company 'get it' at all (actually they are probably mad about a lot of this) and won't attempt to de-rail this effort. This is why I'm going to continue to beat the ITERATIONS ITERATIONS drum often and loudly, no matter what ~words~ are released. Still, I think that CCP, with the help of the CSM and continuing to actually LISTEN to their community, has chosen a smart path for the immediate future. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:43:00 -
[515] - Quote
Wow, fantastic message. How many other video game CEOs would communicate with their subscribers in such a way? We're closer to peers than subscribers in this game, and that's how it should be. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:48:00 -
[516] - Quote
It's a start.
Words are easy but, as stated in that other letter - "Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do..." - if deliverables show, good deal and more will be watched for. If not then we'll see how things go.
One item: experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions
With the current state of the MMO industry, and it's "follow the leader" attitude of 'clone wow's model'...
EVE's way of operating is quite different and attempts to put in what works in those games, without bringing across the artificial limits also imposed in them (classes, limits in advanced skill trees, gear chase model) ... That won't work well.
This part is a bit disconcerting. |
Xue Slick
The Damned Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:52:00 -
[517] - Quote
Well said. Just always remember CCP, people vote with their money.
The one thing I could never get is why does CCP need to be so secret about their work, is it to WOW the gamers come release day? or is it to protect their work and concepts from other companies?
Would be interesting to know.
Xue |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:54:00 -
[518] - Quote
https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar
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Aynen
SI Radio Split Infinity.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:05:00 -
[519] - Quote
It is a rare display of strong character that someone of stature apologizes for anything, and I really admire that. For better or worse, you're far from being the only game developer who has wanted to reach for the stars to discover you can't quite get there just yet. Enthousiasm works that way, and without enthousiasm, Eve would not have existed at all. I hope that enthousiasm wasn't lost in the process of discovering that the methods used wheren't working. You're still going to get to those stars, just slowly and in control. |
Aina O'Sinnor
Arklight Project Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:12:00 -
[520] - Quote
Thanks alot for that sincere letter to the community, CCP Hellmar.
I wonder if you should stop using the word fix in conjunction with nullsec. It will always be under development. Small things can be fixed like bookmarks(please do this btw, it's a fundamental part of the game and is terrible to use. Imagine Eve withouth bookmarks...). |
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Michael Turate
The Bembridge Mining Company
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:31:00 -
[521] - Quote
Great news. Lets also give some love to the dissenting voices within CCP (mentioned in the blog) who kept the faith and kept the fires burning and whose names will probably not be known. Their belief in the intrinsic importance of Flying In Space to the EVE universe and their continued opposition to the company ignoring the players feedback has allowed this about face to happen. If everyone in the company had deserted the playerbase then things would have continued to unravel and there would have been no opportunity to save the situation. Thank you to those people, it's only a small thank you but I hope you hear it. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:37:00 -
[522] - Quote
I was surprised by this blog, in a good way.
It takes courage to say "I was wrong", and I never look down on someone adimiting their mistakes and wanting to improve themself. This, dare i say it, has kindled a new hope for me for EVE. For EVE truly is uniqe, and that is why so many was so angry, we love the game.
I am looking forward to what is to come. |
Officer Nyota Uhura
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:43:00 -
[523] - Quote
I think I love you again, CCP Hellmar. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
28
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:49:00 -
[524] - Quote
Oh Hilmar, you big teddy bear
*hugs* FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Furb Killer
9
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:51:00 -
[525] - Quote
Well two options: CCP has a non-******** PR person or he actually means it. Sadly with CCPs track record it is hard to assume the second one, we have always been promised alot of shiney, which barely ever was delivered.
I hope this indeed means a change in EVE's direction, although personally I am going to let my sub expire in a few days, might have been different if you realised this a year ago, but now for me personally EVE is dead and simply does not give me fun anymore. |
XO SPECTRE
X-1 . O P S
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:55:00 -
[526] - Quote
Hellmar shows he have some leadership skill
CCP have very smart CEO i belive EVE will be better and better he will save our cyber space |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:57:00 -
[527] - Quote
Hm, "The Followers of EVE", sign me up!
Very very nicely written, Hilmar, I am feeling positive mood all over.
We should never forget that trying to force one version of how to play EVE, be it PvP or station interior experience, upon the whole player base is not the way to add to diversity or the sandbox experience. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
qu1ckkkk
The Warp Core Stabilizers Burn Away
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:59:00 -
[528] - Quote
Hey CCP Hellmar,
If you quit, can I haz ur stuff? |
Brinid Navarre
Green-Core
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:11:00 -
[529] - Quote
Finally. Thank you for taking fault. This ignoring bullshit was starting to push even me. Now we can move forward. |
Jin Maci
Synergy Holdings Inc Cascade Associates
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:01:00 -
[530] - Quote
crap I gave all my stuff away |
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NIJofleyUK
Roflcopter m8. STR8NGE BREW
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:12:00 -
[531] - Quote
I read this and thought...
AT LAST!! CCP management have finally realised that the players are who makes this game! We have been voicing over forums, FanFest and many other channels our gripes for "getting things right" first time, not putting off what you think are small things to fix. We have waited far too long for the existing playing experience to improve greatly. Being a bit of a Hobo myself in EVE, I have been around the world for a short cut and have experienced many many of the problems everyone is talking about.
Too much focus was made on advancing prototype technologies within EVE rather than actually concentrating on the core product already there. It's like making a cake with toppings, if the cakes not right, it doesn't matter what you add to it later, it will still leave a bad taste in your mouth.
I am EXTREMELY impressed by the admission of guilt, and the courage it took for Hillmar to post that apology, I feel this is a definite move in the right direction and I am now really excited to see what comes of this. As a community, we can also help CCP by offering constructive criticism, maybe not on a business level but definitely for the priorities of what we would like to see in EVE. I would like to suggest a feedback questionnaire in multiple choice format. Say once per month, not going to all characters but to a character we can enable from the EVE Account area, where it only receives the questions, from this we can all vote on what needs fixed or added or tweaked. Maybe also a suggestions section, although I feel that would require human intervention to read but could maybe be presented in a dry-form layout where specific questions are asked and you have a selection and Other option/opinion. This sort of feedback and QA would be invaluable for CCP & I would implore CCP to consider this. It's only 1 mail per month, or an online form we fill in the account section once per month.
I feel the users "us" have sometimes felt like were silenced into submission, this hopefully will change over time now it seems like CCP are now realising that the community can fight back, either in game or in media formats.
Regards NIJ |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:13:00 -
[532] - Quote
Kheirozen wrote:That little page of text just gave me back part of my hope for EvE.
But the game clearly needs new features with the Incarna stuff.
Flying around in a ship killing stuff is fun, but it's pointless after a time... We need more stuff to do, be it inside a station or whatever.
You know what would be awesome ?? Space Casino Stations.... man i'd waste all my time playing casino in EvE with all my ISK.
You've put CCP Back on the right track, now stay on it.
This game is all about flying in space and pvping, they just need to add more to that to be honest. If you are bored with that then go play another game, don't want EVE becoming something else as this is why I play EVE in the first place over other games. |
Vegare
Das zweite Konglomerat The Initiative.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:13:00 -
[533] - Quote
Thanks for your honesty and thanks for having restored the faith in your current playerbase |
Alaxandria d'Vindi
Bantam Fury
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:20:00 -
[534] - Quote
Well said. As noted by other following through will establish trust but I am personally you are acknowledging the mistakes and hopefully fixing in a way that is beneficial to all! |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:41:00 -
[535] - Quote
Hats off!
Not many leaders have the courage to admit that they maybe have made a mistake. Also leaders are human and mistakes simply happen. So finding out that something get wrong is the first step to improval. Therefore I am looking forward to the next expansion. CCP did a lot of good work in the past and now with this realignment I am sure you are back on the path to glory. |
Nehmen Geld
Blunted Affect Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:52:00 -
[536] - Quote
Good to read. I look forward to seeing the results.
Have you considered that you might get more traction with the adoption of the NEX if you included a per-month Aurum credit as part of the existing subscription? No price increase, just a per month allowance included in the current price. i.e. subscribers receive a small amount of Aurum when their payment is processed. The amount would be small enough that it would take years to afford the "thousand dollar jeans" items but large enough that players could accumulate enough Aurum to buy a pair of boots and a shirt every 12 months. Something in the range of 350 AUR a month.
Nobody is really going to buy into the shallow pleasure of vanity items until we've actually tasted the experience of having a wardrobe.
A loyalty payment would also be an interesting reward, perhaps even a tangible expression of appreciation toward your customers. An amount of Aurum for every paid subscribed month since we joined? I think that would kick start something interesting and contribute to watering down the inevitable "haha sucker" stigma that is going to be associated with toons wearing NEX items when establishments finally arrive.
In the interest of balance: yay spaceships! |
RealaiX
Scy Mining Ind. Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:56:00 -
[537] - Quote
just one word...
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
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Kr99
Lightfoot Pestisss and Blake Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:02:00 -
[538] - Quote
Nowhere is the culture of arrogance felt more strongly than in the customer service department. Average time to get an impersonal rebuke from a CCP GM: 3 days Average time to be in live chat with a Blizzard GM: 30 seconds
I have an impression of the Icelanders as a proud and tough people, who suffer fools and whiners poorly, and at the same time have a profound sense of fairness, justice and the rule of law. That makes them worthy of admiration perhaps, but also tragically unsuited to the task of customer service, where empathy trumps law.
You could do worse than to fire the whole department and outsource it, or at least rebuild it with some consultants from your competitors. |
Vedje
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:09:00 -
[539] - Quote
With all due respect Personally i am grateful for incarna it looks awesome, it gives us a chance to see our characters Indeed i can only imagine how much work went into it. But nevertheless it still doesn't have any practical use, sadly.
The promises on the other end made for winter expansion have a great deal of potential. I am hoping that Eve continues to grow, as in Eve that we are playing not the captains quarters where we sit for a minute till our loot was dumped into the station so we can go on, sit to fix modules and fly out or where we leave our characters afk. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:09:00 -
[540] - Quote
Misanth wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Cors wrote:WHERE do PEOPLE who already pay for your game TELL YOU they WANT THIS????
Monthly subscription fees BUILT CCP. BUILT EVE ONLINE.
MY GOD. The greed that is slapping us in the face, beating us with sticks, stealing our wallets is called Micro transactions.
**** OFF with MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
Just because half the Japanese/Chinese/Korean games do this does NOT mean it's a good model. This is the model for games that are on their dead beds. Games that have no development team left. Games that are DIEING!
Many people reduced their time spent in EVE in favor of games like WoT (power & convenience MTs) or LoL (vanity & convenience MTs). Maybe you'll argue that these games are fundamentally different from EVE but I think especially the wide-spread love for WoT among EVE players (and "gold ammo" in WoT gives you a very significant advantage) is a huge pointer to CCP that the issue is with "subscription AND power MTs" and not power MTs per se. So, yes, I think there is a pretty strong argument that players themselves tell CCP with their actions that MTs are at least acceptable (if not preferable to a subscription-based model). Yah, we can take me for example. At my peak I had 50+ characters and quite a bunch of accounts active in this game. I'm one of those older customers who been through most expansions and changes in this game. But since this spring I only log to change skills and read mails, more or less. I've gone to use my gaming time in WoT, LoL, both free to play. I'm also re-playing old games like Warcraft 2, the Heroes of Might and Magic series (including the beta 6). Civilization, NWN, etc. I.e. I'm playing games that either are free to play, or games I bought or downloaded years ago. I already cancelled my SW:TOR pre-order, I've dropped my EVE accounts to what is already pre-paid, and I don't really feel a reason to play anything that cost me money. That's the reality of the MMO industry as a whole, look at Blizzard, dropping 2 million subscribers in short time wasn't it? 12->10? Meanwhile free to play games are doing well. There are still people around who don't mind paying a monthly subscription, that is right, but it's a given fact that the MMO industry can see where things are heading. Free to play is the reality (right now) and something you want to introduce sooner rather than later. When Zulu posted his blog about "big changes", I actually believed CCP had taken the decision to go free to play and rely on PLEX/NeX for the future. It's quite obvious they're looking at that direction right now.
I have just 1 Account and two Chars on it but I think... I think in this case monthly subscription for EVE Online is model thats fit this game better, I come why I this is the case later.... As for WoT, I play it too... and this game is fun and free to play... and sells power... better to say "penetration of shells" ... so I like many players this days which had play EVE... I just log in and read the mails and skills some stuff... and get my hardly earned walled try out for plexes as long as it gets.
Now to the point why I play latly more WoT than EVE... it is mainly I havent so many time latly... everything is eating time right now. So If I have to choose between WoT and EVE I go for WoT because I know... I just log in get in my PzKpf V Panther with my long 7,5/100 and fight on one or two battles to get the dailys... then I log off... thats is the main reason... it just that I know I can finish some stuff in short time... in EVE, well, everthing what you start is amlost a journey and you are forced to play longer... the time I havent have. So in my case I-¦m not agaist microtransactions or CQ or Sansha Incursions etc... I thought it is a nice thing, and I personly hope for the new wiki and immersion project. A second point in my case is that some of my friend which brought me to the game left.. for differnet reasons. (SO I hope the FW update which are coming are good, to bring them back)
P.S. About WoT.. Dont forget the bitching on Overlords blog and the formus about the test server nerf (from test patch 2 to 3 on 6.6 or 6.7 I think) of the E-Series. Nothing is perfekt, but I had the feeling the community makes this game great... so I hope some will come back.
Now to the point about monthly subscription. I get this point for you (Misanth): "Free to play is the reality (right now) and something you want to introduce sooner rather than later [...] and that it is the future." I think it will be the future too... but maybe not for EVE (maybe it can survive as on of the few monthly subscription games). I think for EVE is it to late to make such a change to free to play. I mean everthing would now just seems as like it wouldnt fit in (by the way thats is the feeling I have with the microtransaction shop somehow it doesnt fit really in... always when I open the ingame window of the shop, it feels like a diffrent game). What I mean is, that Free to play is something what you have from the start or not... a later change would be just give a feeling of something is oktroyiert/forced/imposed to the code of the game. But maybe it is just me.
maybe a nice read: No Blood, No Gore, Just Megatons of Steel
now to CCP Hellmar later... I like the tone, but just in case I-¦m ready for the Charlie Brown feeling of someone takes the ball. So I-¦m ready for the worse, but I hope for the best- |
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Sekar casal
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:09:00 -
[541] - Quote
Good statement and props for putting it out.
My only comment is.. .
"The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community.
P2W is not a one size fits all, sure you can get money from Vanity items.
But people treat WoT a P2W game as something to do when when not playing Eve, its a dead end game. I play it but I know I will be probably quitting it as soon as I get my Soviet tanks up to lthere final level, I certainly will not be putting more money into it after that., Eve has no dead end to it, its not really a level system like EQ was where you scramble tro hit level XX and then raid in order to stave off the boredom, Eve has achieved something the rest of the MMO world can but dream of open ended where even a new player can achieve thing (well, might need to look at turret tracking for the new intie pilot to survive well any more :) ).
Eve you benefit most from prolonged life in it, this culture is set apart from the attitude folks play WoT. Eve has a lot of loyalty, WoT is probably a lot more transient. If you want to get a revenue stream from a game usng P2W or micro (well semi micro) transactions, write it, but expect it to have compared to Eve a short life and a player base that will evaporate when the next new shiny micro transaction based game comes out, because it will.
Eve's subscription can be used s a selling point in itself, you are what you work for not what you pay for.
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Melvin Justice
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:13:00 -
[542] - Quote
You are all being trolled. These guys are snickering around their boardroom table right now: "hey the idiots bought it! that'll keep the subscription money rolling in". Read the article. All he discussed is bringing back ship spinning and adding more ridiculously overpriced merchandise for you to spend your real money on. Not one word about the real problems with the game or fixing them other than 'we'll be looking at it, trust us'. We've heard that before.... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
89
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:17:00 -
[543] - Quote
Furb Killer wrote:Well two options: CCP has a non-******** PR person or he actually means it. I don't get this distinction.
During my military service I was authorized to write on some issues on behalf of our brigadier general. As long as I didn't overstep the boundary of the authority I was lent it didn't matter one bit whether I wrote and signed on his behalf, I wrote and he signed or he wrote and signed himself. The one time some new lieutenant tried the "the heck will I let a Private tell me what to do" route he got a (metaphorical) bloody nose in return very swiftly - after all it was not me (as a private) telling him what to do. The only case in which it would have mattered that I wrote some document/mail/made some phone call and not the general himself would have been if I had abused the trust he had placed in me.
Later I had an internship with a politician and wrote letters, drafts for speeches and an interpellation on his behalf. It didn't matter who wrote the words - he was the one taking responsibility for them with his face, his signature and his reputation. Sure, he never got to see some of the stuff I wrote on his behalf - but as long as what i wrote did accurately reflect his positions, opinions and personality I did basically not exist as a person. And if there had been any negative fallout "I have no idea what the people in my office are doing in my name" would have been an extremely embarrassing and ineffective attempt to steal his way out of the responsibility he took when lending us his signature.
What difference does it make whether Hilmar himself wrote these words or not? he signed them with his name and authorized them for publication.
"Don't pay any attention to this pile of rubbish that some aide or PR consultant wrote on my behalf and published under my name with my consent. It's not what I really think..." does not work as a cop out. |
VonKolroth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:17:00 -
[544] - Quote
CCP - Completely awesome 50% of the time. |
Kirsa VonSchattenfels
Stillwater Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:17:00 -
[545] - Quote
Thank you. I'm looking forward to the mending. |
S McKellop
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:32:00 -
[546] - Quote
Well my faith is somewhat restored, but several of my accounts will NOT be resubbed until I see something happen.
Also, perhaps it is time to ban the Botters and RMTers that are ruining null sec...just a thought. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:32:00 -
[547] - Quote
Sekar casal wrote:Good statement and props for putting it out.
My only comment is.. .
"The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community.
P2W is not a one size fits all, sure you can get money from Vanity items.
But people treat WoT a P2W game as something to do when when not playing Eve, its a dead end game. I play it but I know I will be probably quitting it as soon as I get my Soviet tanks up to lthere final level, I certainly will not be putting more money into it after that., Eve has no dead end to it, its not really a level system like EQ was where you scramble tro hit level XX and then raid in order to stave off the boredom, Eve has achieved something the rest of the MMO world can but dream of open ended where even a new player can achieve thing (well, might need to look at turret tracking for the new intie pilot to survive well any more :) ).
Eve you benefit most from prolonged life in it, this culture is set apart from the attitude folks play WoT. Eve has a lot of loyalty, WoT is probably a lot more transient. If you want to get a revenue stream from a game usng P2W or micro (well semi micro) transactions, write it, but expect it to have compared to Eve a short life and a player base that will evaporate when the next new shiny micro transaction based game comes out, because it will.
Eve's subscription can be used s a selling point in itself, you are what you work for not what you pay for.
I good point I totally forget that... so.. Yes... it hasnt the deep of EVE... but really right now. which game has it... (P.S. aybe that is a better advertiser than anything else. The point of WoT "more transient" is my feeling too... but it can be a positiv point when you havent so much time (and look just foir the quick relexing: see here P.S. Overlord tweak a little the first point was relax in general not directly fun^^).
So maybe like Sekar casal said:"Eve's subscription can be used s a selling point in itself, you are what you work for not what you pay for." I would at... the deep of EVE is a selling point too (and with the immersion and the new wiki even more). |
Blue Harrier
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:33:00 -
[548] - Quote
Well done young man, it needed saying and you sure as heck said it.
Thank you. |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:43:00 -
[549] - Quote
Marina Wolfstan wrote:All I say is Thanks for that Hilmar. Also I wanna ad I never lost my trust in CCP compared to many of the angry kids I saw in the forum I know that HUMANS makes mistakes and yes I say kids cuz of the way they behaved. Sure they are right to be angry but they can still behave and also I wanna add in my opinion to all of you on the forum that got rely angry if u think u can do a better job than go ahead start making a new eve game that is superior, well I did not think you would u bloody hypocrites.
And they say wow players are immature well eve player sure showed they can be worse.
Next Time be more Mature eve community.
We were angry that CCP were ******* up the game that we love and pay for, that's justified. We had to take actions to get CCP to listen to us and sort their **** out, which now seems like they will be doing. Yes, you keep sucking CCP's **** no matter what they do, I won't stop you. What they did was more than a simple mistake and we had a right to be pissed off. We in no way acted like children and I challenge you to show me who actually did. We aren't all developers so that's why we play this game and don't go off making our own so you can shut the **** up about that.
I don't think you actually understand what maturity is and you should probally stop before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. Next time actually think before you type anything like this again. |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:44:00 -
[550] - Quote
Melvin Justice wrote:You are all being trolled. These guys are snickering around their boardroom table right now: "hey the idiots bought it! that'll keep the subscription money rolling in". Read the article. All he discussed is bringing back ship spinning and adding more ridiculously overpriced merchandise for you to spend your real money on. Not one word about the real problems with the game or fixing them other than 'we'll be looking at it, trust us'. We've heard that before....
There is another post on what they will be working on, read it. |
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Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
76
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:59:00 -
[551] - Quote
That blog has returned my respect for Hilmar. It takes some balls to come out publicly and admit such a massive failing, especially to the people who've been non-stop screaming that CCP's been on the wrong path. It's one of those "I told you so" moments that have come to pass. But he's finally gotten off his high horse and at least appears to be genuinely talking TO us rather than down at us. This is a necessary first step to rebuild the trust relationship between CCP management and the customer base.
However, let us not confound respect and trust. With that blog - assuming that it's genuine and not just well-crafted PR damage control - CCP (Hilmar in particular) have regained my respect. Trust however, they'll have to work for. As Hilmar said in both his blog and in his arrogant internal email that got leaked, we'll be seeing that they do, not what they say. And Hilmar had better damn well stick to his word this time, because we're at a very precarious place now. I'm sure there some bitter vets out there who have "heard it all" and their trust in CCP has been irreversibly damaged already. I fear another breach of trust between CCP and its customer base will basically completely destroy any trust and good faith the customer base may have left.
So let us go forward with cautious optimism and some hope (rather than faith) that CCP will stick to their "new vision" and truly make Eve a better game. |
Immortal DeathKnight
The Shadow Plague Gentlemen's Agreement
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:23:00 -
[552] - Quote
Immortal DeathKnight wrote:i really doubt that the Hilmar guy wrote the blog, but still a plus, and a step in the right direction i was thinking to quit eve, now i would like to see the new cap nerf, new ships etc. maybe it is still hope for EVE after all
forgot to mention: confirming that eve player base has gone down the drain since june -~20% accounts mean something these days ? guess not :P
p.s. it is just a rough guess |
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
10
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:24:00 -
[553] - Quote
Not backing off the great vision for EVE, but questioning the way to get there, I consider a very good move.
The doubt as to how and if CCP can and really wants to change is understandable. For all players who have been around -- and who are not working in bigger companies -- it may be hard to understand how a games publisher can repeatedly disregard player concern and how a company try repeatedly to force its own way onto its customers. But that is corporate business, I guess, where a big crowd of people follows at least as many personal agendas.
So many times already CCP bit off more than they could chew. "Excellence" as their corporate lead motive had repeatedly only reached the devs -- not the leadership. Still, I believe CCP Hellmar if he says that circumstances led him ( again ) to want his company to do more too fast than was reasonable. I believe him that he believed in the possibilities.
I applaude that he admits the mistakes he made rushing everyone in the company beyond their capacities, and neglecting taking us, the players, onto a common journey with him.
We still share the vision. So glad we may get back on track. Fan fest will be :awesome: . |
Melanie Pointer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:27:00 -
[554] - Quote
Dr Mercy wrote:The Mittani wrote:This is exactly what we needed to see from Hilmar and CCP, and I applaud the courage it took to post such an apology to the community.
Not to derail this thread, but "%$#@ Mittens!" He has no place in this thread!.
All of us hate how Hilmar disregarded the thoughts of others while pushing for his own vision, well Mittens is exactly the same way (if not worse) and he has no place in thread!
Mittens is a disgrace to the CSM. And just like he said $%#& to players in other threads (Go research it people), I say it here to him.
Heck he doesn't even take care of his own people unless you are a somethingawful goon. (Go research it)
All of you who have not had experience dealing with him in game or in the forums may think this letter harsh but once you do your research and read his posts you will see what I am talking about. (recent Oxygen Isotope price increase scam - Mittens and Goons!)
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xThugx
Estrale Frontiers
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:38:00 -
[555] - Quote
2 Accounts resubbed - for ONE MONTH.
This + dev preview of winter expansion looks good. Don't mess it up. |
John Nucleus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:53:00 -
[556] - Quote
Yay, Group Hug! |
Viktor Del'Grande
Gallente Forschung und Entwicklungscorp
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:53:00 -
[557] - Quote
Reactivated 1 of 3 accounts for ONE month ... dont mess it up! |
Dunmer Orion
Aggressive Intentions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:53:00 -
[558] - Quote
Well done sir!
DO |
Varlenchkya
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:58:00 -
[559] - Quote
thx for the letter hope is there ....
BUT instead of puting new ship... UNERF the one's we already skilled / have
bring back active armor tanking !
look at kb and you will see that its always the same 3-4 ships |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:58:00 -
[560] - Quote
Melanie Pointer wrote:lots of :words:
And this, gentlemens, is a butthurt posting alt of a butthurt player who got stepped on by an alphafleet or something like that.
Hilmar, thanks for admitting this.
I'm also precautionously optimist, and waiting for some much needed fixes to actually happen ;) |
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Huan Claer
101st Covert Ops C. O. R. E.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:05:00 -
[561] - Quote
Wow, quite a letter. Thanks for the candour, it's not easy admitting shortcomings like that.
I look forward to seeing how the future advancement goes with this statement behind it. |
Ion Dogun
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:17:00 -
[562] - Quote
Yes, this is the right way.
Thank you Hilmar |
Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
27
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:39:00 -
[563] - Quote
Humble pie consumed. Good good.
Thanks for the post, means much to me.
Looking forward to the winter expansion more than ever now. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Crasniya
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:51:00 -
[564] - Quote
Posting a *hug to our fearless leader* |
Cuchulain Spartan
Cryogenic Creations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:55:00 -
[565] - Quote
Generally the man at top only apologises when,
A) The company is hemorrhaging/about to hemorrhage money due to his stubbornness
B) The company is hemorrhaging/about to hemorrhage his top staff due to his stubbornness
I donGÇÖt think he woke up one morning and found religion and realised the errors of his ways, I think its adapt or die time which makes the apology worthless imo.
Spart o/
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Ephraim Faide
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:01:00 -
[566] - Quote
Whether he decided to apologize because of the sudden realization of the error of his ways, or because of duress (i.e. bleeding membership subscriptions), I really commend Himlar for doing this. This apology has been seen by many (even many cynical) as not just a good step forward, but the culmination of the issues that have boiled over and exploded during the summer.
Now, as many have said here, with the refocus for the winter expansion, I am definitely looking forward to the future.
Thank you for the apology Hilmar.
Now let's get back to blowing up pixel ships .
Faide |
EMPstrike
Insurrection Inc
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:03:00 -
[567] - Quote
Incarna?! New tech 2 stuff?! Hybrid rebalancing?!(i like blasters, but having them changes makes them new again to me!) New "true" Exploration at some point in the future?!?!?
I love EVE, Im excited about both blogs.
Always knew CCP could handle it ;) |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:15:00 -
[568] - Quote
I've been playing 3 years, only recently following closely, though. I am actually a refugee from Star Wars Galaxies (a sad tale). I hope this is what I see happen. I love EVE, and everything it's accomplished so far, and it's hard to watch the true veterans that are so jaded. I hope I get the opportunity to see these things happen. Regardless of what does happen, the letter alone took guts.
I call a toast. To the future of the future. So it goes. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
246
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:17:00 -
[569] - Quote
For those that would like a bit of reading on this whole saga and don't want to search for links:
You should probably read this: Some Curves Aren't
Then read this: Reality Check
Then read this: Hilmar's letter to EVE
Then read this: Winter Expansion 2011
Yeah... that should all help catch you up to whether EVE may or may not be dying. The new Star Wars game looks like WoW with lightsabers so we can only pray CCP sorts their lives (and our game) out. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Vin Hellsing
77
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:26:00 -
[570] - Quote
After viewing what Hilmar has said, I would hope that he fully intends to properly iterate Incarna in its complete form as a support project to what is coming in the Winter, so that player establishments get released as a bonus to FiS updates.
I would strongly encourage that. |
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Milla Sirius
Tokyo Road
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:31:00 -
[571] - Quote
Eve Online is our favourite game, forever ! You do good job, we buy more screens and accounts ! 4 for the moment is enough, we are becoming no-life guys...
Thanks CCP
Our Network |
Cevin North
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:36:00 -
[572] - Quote
To give you some feedback on what is said by other players and an ANCIENT idea from ccp, one that could actualy work with the precious walking in stations, give us our Warroom as corporation and as Alliance.
Build us a station tactical overview that invilves walking in stations and Wartargets, posses, Planetairy interaction and other basic system intel we can gather.
I am pritty sure you can do thatm if you wanted to, even partualy, for your next great release.
You wanted to put your game back on the map.... Build your wildest dreams, and do what noone has done before. |
Latex Lover
Dreams Unlimited
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:56:00 -
[573] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top. It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction.
Until we actually see some of these things on a server someplace, they are just words. There are no steps here. You are too gullible. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
15
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:58:00 -
[574] - Quote
Well, with such a heartfelt apology not coming from just any Dev, but the CEO of CCP, I am more inclined to restore the small amount of faith I had lost. So, with that, everyone grab your ships, and get back in space!
Internet Spaceships are once again are serious business!
To the future of New Eden! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
15
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:00:00 -
[575] - Quote
Cevin North wrote:To give you some feedback on what is said by other players and an ANCIENT idea from ccp, one that could actualy work with the precious walking in stations, give us our Warroom as corporation and as Alliance.
Build us a station tactical overview that invilves walking in stations and Wartargets, posses, Planetairy interaction and other basic system intel we can gather.
I am pritty sure you can do thatm if you wanted to, even partualy, for your next great release.
You wanted to put your game back on the map.... Build your wildest dreams, and do what noone has done before.
I support the War Room.
I also support the idea of actually being able to stand in your hangar (and see ALL of your ships). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Sophia Stormbringer
Fallen Angel's White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:01:00 -
[576] - Quote
Even with all the nots and failings, you still have a better connection to the community, than any and all the other large MMO companies. Keep up the good work! |
Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:08:00 -
[577] - Quote
I know this may sound odd. But every once in a while when you need to refocus on whats important. Take some time to play the game again and really delve into the stuff were talking about.
I would never ever make the claim that no one at ccp plays EVE. However as you all say your very busy you have job to do and you dont have time to play it.
Im not talking about QA testing or testing on singularity. Give your self some time to really play through some of the complaints we've laid at your door. Every once in a while try to have team building exercises in game. One time you explore pos management, another time explore faction warfare another time its something else.
You'll have to forgive the analogy, but its like a chef tasting his dish before sending it to the patron.
Your trying to connect with the player base. Try to rediscover that personal connection you have with eve itself as well.
You might be surprised from what you learn.
Props hilmar. |
Feawin
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:10:00 -
[578] - Quote
Well CCP what can I say. You made my day, thats for sure. Keep up the good work. |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:15:00 -
[579] - Quote
That is a pretty impressive apology, I appreciate that. Thank you.
However, as you mention yourself, we are going to be watching what you do and not what you say.
You see, thrust and faith are fragile things. And it is far easier to break them than it is to put them back together... I'll be looking at the end results and we'll see if faith get's restored.
If you want a quick faith boost from the community: slash you prices in the NEX store, I don't care how you slice your pricing scheme, that **** is way overpriced, not just the monocle. |
tiberiusric
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:24:00 -
[580] - Quote
Maybe you should take a leaf out of the late steve jobs handbook.. He strived for and expected excellence by everyone, he had no qualms sending it back and saying 'now do it right' He may of not been popular with his coworkers but look where apple is now |
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Mr MaltaProject
inFluX.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:31:00 -
[581] - Quote
my response to this devblog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA |
AMirrorDarkly
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:31:00 -
[582] - Quote
Latex Lover wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote:We'll see, it's still just :words: on a screen. Yes they are, but they're good words, and they're words from the top. It's only the first step, but at least the step is in the right direction. Until we actually see some of these things on a server someplace, they are just words. There are no steps here. You are too gullible.
If your criteria for starting to believe is seeing something on a "Server someplace" then,
I suggest you take a look on SiSi then, some of the first things on Zulu's blog are there for all to see.
Other CQ's Ship Spinning Cyno & Capital jump effects. Time Dialation (I believe although, I haven't actually experienced this myself and therefore can not confirm for sure)
I think you now owe someone an apology
Either way I'm starting to look forward to more content being on the test server's and for the community being able to give feedback on how there balancing work is turning out. |
MollyPuss
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:32:00 -
[583] - Quote
That blog was really appreciated. Thank you for you're honesty. Means a lot. We all want to support you in you're vision for eve, don't forget that :) |
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction Gears Confederation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:36:00 -
[584] - Quote
Good read, one personal suggestion though; if you realy want to show EVE some love, try do do also a makeover of the POS`s.
So these 5 should be done:
- Nullsec - Faction Warfare - POS - Balancing unbalanced stuff (capitals) - Incarna II (The one you showed years ago.) Dude, where is my Charon? |
lachrymus
Czerka. The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:37:00 -
[585] - Quote
Thank you Hellmar. That took guts - it made me feel humbled... |
Naga Tokiba
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:38:00 -
[586] - Quote
Dear Mr. P+¬tursson
I thank you for this blog, and hope CCP will put action behind Your words.
But, You are not entirely clear in Your statement:
Quote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
Quote:Unless the MMO business changes radically leaves a rather large door open for You to do just about anything.
You should gather more inspiration from user feedback, and strive to look at all of our suggestions to improve our game. And I thing there is need for change of culture amongst the bughunters. When reporting a bug, it is usually followed by a suggestion, the usual answer is "It's by design, case closed". This is not and acceptable answer - we need something like "Thanks for your input. We will forward your suggestion to our features departent".
Looking forward to next expansion. Regards. |
BlinSky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:56:00 -
[587] - Quote
The new Starwars game is gonna be crap.
I've signed up for forums and testing account in hope for a eve substitute and after a while a lil piece of intel came to me that there's gonna be separate servers for pvp and pve. That right there made me no longer go on their web site.
So from the SW point of view think eve is safe. But from the Wot point of view it is not.
There's a forum post about future vision in wot. and its all about combining wot with eop and wobs on huge maps leading toward one huge map of the world to play on. When that will happen, added the CCP greed to suck more money from players, I think we will see a mass migration to the Wot servers.
If you think I'm bullshitting think of this: - 4-5 months ago I was a normal eve player, playing 12h a day ratting, running sites and doing pi (basically doing boring ****) so I can make enough money to support my 3 accounts (1-1.2 bill a month) and all the ships I'm losing in pvp(AKA: only thing fun in eve).
- Today as a sum of all the patches that's been trowed at us I stopped making any kind of isk, closed 1 account (1more soon) and buy me plexes from the isk from my reserves (wallet and mod selling). Today I sold my alts orca, hulk, makynaw and last of the faction/ded mods. I've bought me 2 plexes thats 1 more month for these 2 accounts. rest of isk il keep for burning in pvp.
When I reach Zero I stop playing eve and thats that.
Now why is that??? How I got to feel like this about a game that I was playing 12h a day sometimes on large fleet ops was staying 30h straight on weekends???... What did ccp do to make me feel like that about a game that I not only liked and (yah I'l say it..) loved, but also supported???... I made bug reports every chance I could, petitioned assholes that were picking up on noobs, opened up help channel every now then just to help people start in eve, and even brought in people to play the game, trained them and 3-5 years later they still in... well some of them...
All I can say Is that I felt betrayed by CCP, all my effort (as little as it was) was for nothing, in the end I'm just another milk cow for them and as a show of the respect they have for me they made me not have fun in eve anymore.
How many people feel like that? I'm pretty sure allot since the CCP CEO is making a blog about begging people not to leave game as there will be better days. There w'not be better days with all the greed influencing the decisions.
RIP EVE |
Blastfizzle
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation THE R0NIN
8
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:11:00 -
[588] - Quote
CCP Hellmar: You said it, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do.GÇ¥ Please - do as you say. No more words needed; this thread can be closed. |
Brock Mangeiri
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:18:00 -
[589] - Quote
Few things are harder than saying publicly "I was wrong".
It's appreciated, and on my 2nd attempt to embrace EVE, I'm hoping this time I'll stick around. |
Jose Cuevo
Grenadier Guards
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:37:00 -
[590] - Quote
"We need to do a better job of nurturing our new players"
I'd like to hear more about the plan for this, as in more than just tutorials.
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Sara Goshawk
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:42:00 -
[591] - Quote
Very nice - if true.
It is easy enough to say exactly what people want to hear. So when does it happen? |
Castigear
Hazard Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:47:00 -
[592] - Quote
Hats off to hilmar for admitting the mistake. What you had was basically selling sunglasses to the most skilled PvP hardcore on the planet...... not gonna work. As for original direction, Eve is great to me because its player defined,if you sit in the office and come up with ideas as to how alliances, wars and sovereignty can be customised (there lies treasure). What happened to the sandbox? The lead up game is perfect. Sick of sec farming? join null. Where it falls down is players reaching the top then....what now?I know.....I'll go back to my wifes/gfs/brothers corp and act like an arrogant ****. But its all good because its free choice and has ripple effect. Captains quarters was imposing technology, and pointless. If I wanted to gaze endlessly at my fully realised3d toon Id be playing WoW. Make him a hard drinker, heavy smoker and scottish accent I still wouldnt give a ****. He exists to blow **** up. If the opt out for captains quarters wasn't there I would have quit. THAT (Aurum) market was imposing and also unnecessary. Give me aur to buy a navy mega? yea baby. Give me aur to buy a pair of boots I can get for free? PRESTIGE? Hmmm, kinda feel like Im buying birds in WoW. I like that devs here listen. Star wars galaxies was a great game in the beginning, and a classic example of devs not listening to players. Cmon guys, you made an adult game, listen to your adults. As long as you do that, and admit when you Fk up, you will retain your loyal pew pew addicts, of which I am one :). Huge respect, Casti
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Lone Desire
Rising Knights
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:58:00 -
[593] - Quote
Real Me * Eve subscriber for ~5 years * 15+ years experience as software engineer and managing software teams (but no connection to CCP team) * Eve Fan :)
I agree with the CCP CEO. CCP needs to refocus on improving the essential and intrinsic aspects of Eve (null sec, PvP/Factional warfare, industry). Although we have seen many new features added without the robustness needed, including planetary interactions, factional warfare, etc., but ultimately the core of EVE (PvP and industry) have not received the attention and care they deserve, given the importance of this core to the majority of players.
I also agree CCP needs to evolve their revenue model in order to survive and grow financially, and fund the improvements above. However, many of the Eve players I know have little interest in avatars, vanity items and avatar to avatar interactions, yet growing the player base must also remain a central goal for CCP, including expanding the attractiveness of Eve to a broader audience of people around the world.
Please keep a solid *core* team focused solely on maintaining and improving the essential and intrinsic aspects of Eve, while simultaneously seeking to achieve other goals. Remember that other MMOs already have a giant lead over EVE in avatar to avatar interactions .. another reason for EVE to remain focused on the unique properties that make EVE appealing to its subscribers.
Thanks, Lone Desire 5 year member of Eve |
Creeping Tiger
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:02:00 -
[594] - Quote
Maybe I'll reactivate some accounts.
I hope it's gonna be as good as it sounds.
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Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:16:00 -
[595] - Quote
As a very interested and active player i liked that a lot. Makes me look forward to expansions again.
Cheers Gal |
Haldr Geitz
Misfit Toys Clockwork Pineapple
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:28:00 -
[596] - Quote
Faith restored.
Avoid the trap too many other companies have fallen into. Follow through with this; make us partners, not just players, and we'll be with you all the way. |
Pedro Montana
Un4seen Development True Reign
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:36:00 -
[597] - Quote
Good post..not many CEOs would have had the guts to admit they made mistakes.
Its one of the things that makes EVE different from other mmos..and something that felt like it had been slipping lately.
I had the same thoughts as others in that I hope CCP doesnt turn into SOE.
Thanks for reassuring me that is not true..(as long as you follow up on your words of course.)
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Ager Agemo
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
8
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:43:00 -
[598] - Quote
Not bad... me likes, learning to apologize and admit you are wrong is a big step towards the right way. |
Nyok Thiesant
Just Another Industrial Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:54:00 -
[599] - Quote
Thanks for the letter, good start
but results are needed to prevent this game from crashing.
one note in the "Letter" about eve being out of date in terms of subscriptions is totally backwards. eve is the only game i've come across that has an easy method to trade "game subscription time" for in game money, and facilitate real world money for game money, and make it work. don't go thinking that the players that play for free actually play for free. they pay subscriptions like everyone else in the game, just they didn't pay cash, some one else did. really, Eve is ahead of other MMO games, you get both Free to play, and subscription payments, tapping both ends of the game player spectrum at the same time, with out unbalancing the game play. thumbs up to your ingenuity. You even wipe out the ISK (gold) Traders by permitting a legal in game way to trade ISK for real world money, and at the same time, give greater stability to the market, and take the money the Real world trades might have gotten. This is the only Free to Play game that gives players full access to all game content, while still gaining CCP subscriptions at the same time! The PLEXing players grind the ISK, resources and take fun from that. the "Paying" players, who have real cash to spend, who don't want to grind, but still like to PVP and cause general meham, they are the ones that pay the subscriptions. you can't have one group with out the other. You CAN NOT force the free to play group to pay for game content, because they will leave. you can't force the Paying group to grind for their ISK, they will leave. your current billing, subscription, economic model for the game is the future, all other games will eventually follow what CCP has accomplished here. Please for the love of all things precious, don't go backwards to a broken model.
for game play, we don't need new ships (which will add vast amounts of instability to the game). EVE needs to fix the existing content, bugs found and squashed, and the damn broken Corporation permissions system needs to be fixed, desperately.
you could stop adding content to the game for a whole year, and just fix existing content, and people will still be joining the game, and old players will return. the game is as strong as its most broken component, and it won't matter how many new "mostly good" components are added, if the broken parts are not fixed.
so much about EVE is wonderful, a step ahead of its competitors, lets not try and step to what is current, but keep going forward further and further ahead of the rest of the pack.
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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:55:00 -
[600] - Quote
Pedro Montana wrote:Good post..not many CEOs would have had the guts to admit they made mistakes.
That is quite rare yeah, I remember all the bankers that could not get a decent apology out of their mouths when we had to collectively bail them out cuz they hadn't been doing their jobs right despite multi-million dollar incomes.
The most I heard from them was something like this:"Ehm, yeah well, this could have been avoided maybe, but hey, everybody did it! It's not MY fault!".
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Tairon Usaro
The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 19:58:00 -
[601] - Quote
I think in 2007 as the response to the trust crisis CCP did something quite revolutionary with implementing the CSM as an external auditor for corporate governance ensuring the nonpartisan role of gamemasters and developers. Today, this is not the sole role of CSM but it was the trigger for it (to my perception).
i would say today something similar revolutionary would be appriopriate to improve the relationship with the community. As of today i see strong deficiencies in game design. Therefore i would suggest a project involving the whole community into game design. Reversing the current situation where CCP uses CSM as sparring partner for game design. I would like to see the community in the driver seat and CCP as advisor, work horse and sparring partner. Of course such program cannot be applied to all aspects of the game. But maybe for a smaller issue and not yet implemented new game asspect or for some mega problem CCP has tried to address serveral times but failed in solving it.
Personally i think of Sov mechanics as such a perfect example where CCP tried and tried harder and tried hardest ... and still failed in solving the problem. i would say CCP had made good experiences with the guys who helped coding the first web browser or the fan based translation project .
Why not give the game design amateurs a try ?
How about a process * where the concept ideas come from the comunity * are commented & analyzed in terms of intrinsic balance, overall game balance and technical feasablity by CCP * refined by the community to form 2-5 proposals that meet CCP standards for game design proposals * voting for the best proposal * implemetation by CCP * testing (even alpha testing) by community
i know its not really compatible with SCRUM development, but hey, did you have that process when you guys were really perceived as the kick ass creative MMO company ?!?! |
Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:13:00 -
[602] - Quote
Ealier this evening I had decided to let this account expire too due to, well, you all know what happened lately.
Thanks to Hilmar's dev blog I'm reconsidering again, as this might be a return to the old ways of CCP caring for EVE.
Thanks for writing this. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:31:00 -
[603] - Quote
Good now start fixing things, action speaks louder then words
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Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:32:00 -
[604] - Quote
BlinSky wrote:The new Starwars game is gonna be crap.
RIP EVE
That may indeed be ture and the new Starwars may very well be crap. But we will see. But at this time the big benefit that it has is that it not being developed by CCP. I will never even try their Vampire game nor Dust just because of how they have delt with EVE. I have in other games actively dissuaded people from trying EVE by simply describing how it currently is. I am more then happy head off and save people from more work in their leisure time.
Like you mentioned that only fun in EVE is PvP. The changes they have made creates way way way more work to have to try and maintain that PvP. When I am not at work and I have down time to play I have a choice. I can sit down with the following choices.
WoW: 1. Que for a Random Battleground go stomp some face of people who probably suck. But only for maybe an hour or so. 2. Head out for some world PvP griefing (available on PvP server, think Nullsec for the entire game.) Depending on what is found that day could be hours of fun or 15-30 minutes of boredom. 3. PvE raiding which is not for me. I consider this to be like work in EVE. Raids become and exercise in who is going to Fup this encounter this time. 4. See if friends are on or since I'm on a PvP server see if there are any good rated Battleground groups going. This can provide several hours of fun. 5. If just don't feel like messing with anything can run some quests (solo PvE) for cash or whatever.
EVE: 1. Login and Mine (PvE content stare at laser beams hitting non moving targets and then draging those piles to a hauler) hmmm this is more like work to me. 2. Run Level 4 missions (PvE shoot the exact same spawns over and over again) personally almost but not quite as boring as mining. 3. Run Sanctums (PvE shoot the same spawns over and over again) almost like the above however scanned out in 0.0 but from what I am told this used to be available in any upgraded system a year ago is no longer as available depending on true sec status. So that has become rarer but still a bore. 4. Run logistics for corp. Not fun have to drag stuff around empire or out to 0.0 Can be PvE or PvP but generally just work that needs to be done and can potentially take up hours with no entertainment. 5. Sov Warfare (PvP blob) generally sit in a large fleet and wait. and wait then hurry up and jump and wait and wait and then engage and then wait in lag. So much fun......... Requires 1-4 first to happen. 6. Roaming fleet. pretty much only potentially fun thing in this group. You may get something jucy today. Or may not. Lots of time invested to get blue balled by bot or logoffski's. Requires 1-4 first to happen.
So in WoW (other games may very by different amount of degrees) you have log in to maybe not as thrilling but more sustained entertainment and enjoyable fun. Where in the current EVE situation you have work work work work to MAYBE a couple times get a real and maybe more exciting thrill every now and the. It's personal preference but when I sit down and make that decision to click on the wow or the eve icon, odds are the EVE icon means work, the WoW icon means PvP within minutes. I will nearly always click the WoW button. The only exception is if I have friends on TS or vent requesting presence in EVE and well as the CEO mentioned their are less and less of those these days.
We will see where Starwars fits in to this picture possibly in December. But with CCP unable to fix things like warp tunnel and window closing bugs in 3 years, I don't see them being able to fix 3-4 years of constant mistakes in 2.5 months. But time will tell but they don't have much.
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Donna Domino
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:12:00 -
[605] - Quote
The apology from the CEO seems sincere but at this point the damage has been done. CCP has alienated a portion of their player base and I don't think many of those are coming back.
Large portions of null that used to have activity became ghost systems, so now both null and low sec really suck. My pvp toon has nothing to do besides spin ships. Wait-I can't even do that. My mission runner can still run missions and wormhole but how many billions of isk does anyone need when they already have 3 of every ship they could ever want or use? And I'll burn my isk before I spend any of it on those sucky RMT store items. Hello, the noble exchange sucked when it came out. It sucked a month ago and it still sucks. You say you are sorry but you have my permission to make it stop sucking right now. Turn it into a burger bar where we can buy food or something. I'll pay some isk to watch my toon snarf down a burger rather than spend more on a monocle than i did on a faction tank carrier.
We need reasons to play Eve. Reasons that appeal to us. My reason used to be fun incentives to interact with other players. Where did the incentives go? I don't know but they are gone. Where did the players go? I don't know, but many of them are gone too. What is CCP planning on doing about it? More balancing acts (nerfing good ships and killing good game mechanics instead of making the bad ones better). That is not going to bring players back.
I want a reason to keep playing Eve. Let's see CCP give me one good one. |
Huaman Chung
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:23:00 -
[606] - Quote
PLEX is the most non-disruptive (because it is not inflationary / creating ISK out of thin air, though it does promote non-productive consumerism) pay-to-win feature added to Eve. ISK (some workarounds like moon mining & industry & research agents) and standings (especially) are the two time investment pieces of the game. PLEX lets you bypass the time investment at will. I'm pretty sure PLEX is very successful for you, especially with the non-inflationary, pro-free-market way of doing it.
Wonder if you could do the something similar for accelerated skill training. A month's worth of skill points for about the price of a PLEX. Or just make PLEX themselves redeemable for either month of game time or a month's worth of skill training (probably scaled to normalized attribute scores). It will make your PLEX business boom even more.
Don't need to add any more golden ships. Your named, faction, officer, etc.. ship components already serve to make 'golden ships' and ISK earned from PLEX can be used to buy it for those who don't have the time or obsession to build the social networks & infrastructure to build ISK machines of their own.
NEX is a joke right now. If you want it to succeed you need more products, better products, and lower prices, and if NEX is to be limited to vanity items to show off on a human avatar (vs ships), you need to have multilayer walk-in-stations and some way to attract and keep more idiot social type of gamers as apposed to the smart/achiever types. The influx of idiots will spend more money on PLEX and such also. Don't cater to idiots too much (especially dumbed down morally depraved americans). You'll push out your original niche audience.
The facebook games all succeed on pay-to-win. And they are pretty dumbed down also (incompatible with Eve, not for idiots). The vanity items are just supplemental income for them. PLEX is pay-to-win (when combined with named/officer/complex/faction gear, golden ships too). No need to deny it. It is very successful. And no need to cater for and flood your games with idiots either (they whine a lot and probably consume more GM time also). Don't change the game model to cater for idiots that will actually buy from your NEX. You'll have a disaster like the Combat upgrade in Star Wars Galaxies. PLEX does work though. Focus on that. PLEX-for-Skillpoints would be cool.
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Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:25:00 -
[607] - Quote
This is a fantastic letter, well done CCP Hellmar. Show us you still care about US and about Eve. |
Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:27:00 -
[608] - Quote
Why are you posting on these forums? Why are you playing Eve Online? You spout nothing but garbage and hate and yet, you're still here. Go away.
Ztrain wrote:BlinSky wrote:The new Starwars game is gonna be crap.
RIP EVE That may indeed be true and the new Starwars may very well be crap. But we will see. But at this time the big benefit that it has is that it not being developed by CCP. I will never even try their Vampire game nor Dust just because of how they have delt with EVE. I have in other games actively dissuaded people from trying EVE by simply describing how it currently is. I am more then happy head off and save people from more work in their leisure time. Like you mentioned that only fun in EVE is PvP. The changes they have made creates way way way more work to have to try and maintain that PvP. When I am not at work and I have down time to play I have a choice. I can sit down with the following choices. WoW: 1. Que for a Random Battleground go stomp some face of people who probably suck. But only for maybe an hour or so. 2. Head out for some world PvP griefing (available on PvP server, think Nullsec for the entire game.) Depending on what is found that day could be hours of fun or 15-30 minutes of boredom. 3. PvE raiding which is not for me. I consider this to be like work in EVE. Raids become and exercise in who is going to Fup this encounter this time. 4. See if friends are on or since I'm on a PvP server see if there are any good rated Battleground groups going. This can provide several hours of fun. 5. If just don't feel like messing with anything can run some quests (solo PvE) for cash or whatever. EVE: 1. Login and Mine (PvE content stare at laser beams hitting non moving targets and then draging those piles to a hauler) hmmm this is more like work to me. 2. Run Level 4 missions (PvE shoot the exact same spawns over and over again) personally almost but not quite as boring as mining. 3. Run Sanctums (PvE shoot the same spawns over and over again) almost like the above however scanned out in 0.0 but from what I am told this used to be available in any upgraded system a year ago is no longer as available depending on true sec status. So that has become rarer but still a bore. 4. Run logistics for corp. Not fun have to drag stuff around empire or out to 0.0 Can be PvE or PvP but generally just work that needs to be done and can potentially take up hours with no entertainment. 5. Sov Warfare (PvP blob) generally sit in a large fleet and wait. and wait then hurry up and jump and wait and wait and then engage and then wait in lag. So much fun......... Requires 1-4 first to happen. 6. Roaming fleet. pretty much only potentially fun thing in this group. You may get something jucy today. Or may not. Lots of time invested to get blue balled by bot or logoffski's. Requires 1-4 first to happen. So in WoW (other games may very by different amount of degrees) you have log in to maybe not as thrilling but more sustained entertainment and enjoyable fun. Where in the current EVE situation you have work work work work to MAYBE a couple times get a real and maybe more exciting thrill every now and the. It's personal preference but when I sit down and make that decision to click on the wow or the eve icon, odds are the EVE icon means work, the WoW icon means PvP within minutes. I will nearly always click the WoW button. The only exception is if I have friends on TS or vent requesting presence in EVE and well as the CEO mentioned their are less and less of those these days. We will see where Starwars fits in to this picture possibly in December. But with CCP unable to fix things like warp tunnel and window closing bugs in 3 years, I don't see them being able to fix 3-4 years of constant mistakes in 2.5 months. But time will tell but they don't have much. Z
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Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:48:00 -
[609] - Quote
Donna Domino wrote:I want a reason to keep playing Eve. Let's see CCP give me one good one.
I say blah blah ..... What you just said is what I've been trying to say, just far more efficient. I am just not optimistic.
Z |
Narawen Blake
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:27:00 -
[610] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:Cearain wrote:Lots of words about incarna and Nex. When and to what extent is ccp going to dedicate resources to fis? Please have a look at this dev blog by CCP Zulu which tells about our plans for the winter expansion.
Hillmar's letter has stopped me from clicking the cancel button. I am sure you will pardon me for failing to get excited about anything until I see a message on my client saying a patch is ready to be downloaded.
As for Zulu, I still think he needs to walk the plank for his ****-poor customer interaction skills. Stick him in a closet and tell him to shut the hell up. |
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Ardetia
Killer Koalas
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:33:00 -
[611] - Quote
i rarely post but, interweb highfive o/\o
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The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.10.06 23:44:00 -
[612] - Quote
Thank you for this devblog. It returned part of the hope that this game is again going to be the most innovative MMO in the gaming world. For the other part, the content will make a huge difference. Time is not that relevant (although it plays a role), so even if you don't deliver all the promised content in one big expansion, iterating on key features and deploying them even after the original expansion deployment's date in a series of mini content patches works for me (and many others).
"CCP Hellmar" wrote:We would have been much better off positioning Incarna as an optional technology preview that interested players could have experienced and helped us to refine.
I'm especially glad that you've managed to see this.
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Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:01:00 -
[613] - Quote
The is the very first thing CCP made that allows me to think about resubscribign in the future. I was one that cancelled all my accoutns when of the riots. This one stil has days on it sicne was a 6 month accoutn, but i have not played sin ce then.
IF CCP amazes me with a redoubled effort into makign eve great I might subscribe again somehwere on 2012 first quarter. |
Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:04:00 -
[614] - Quote
Narawen Blake wrote:As for Zulu, I still think he needs to walk the plank for his ****-poor customer interaction skills. Stick him in a closet and tell him to shut the hell up.
Now there is an idea on progress. Because his current list of what their working is devoid of anything problem solving.
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Lone Desire
Rising Knights
3
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:15:00 -
[615] - Quote
Reading other comments above ....
Yes, too many hours of boredom between brief moments of LAG and ACTION.
Agreed .. we DO NOT need even more ships and more complexity.
We need interesting, fun PvP action between corps, between fleets, and between players.
The ratio of "ACTION" to "GRIND" is way too low in EVE. |
Cpt Bogus
Whimsical Mining Refining and Exploration
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:28:00 -
[616] - Quote
Well said, and accepted. I've said it before and I'll say it again, CCP's honesty is one of the things I like most about them. They're definitely not the first ones to make a mistake like this, but they're one of the few willing to actually own up to it. Especially since a certain *other* publisher is handling their MT-related controversy to restricting forum access to fanboys and basically accusing dissenters of being pirates.
I do agree that Incarna has potential as an incentivized add-on, but it shouldn't come at the expense of anything in standard Eve. As has been said ad nauseum, "ship spinning" and the like is not only cool but also a far more efficient way of rapidly equipping and managing ships in a large hangar than CQ/Incarna. |
Cpt Bogus
Whimsical Mining Refining and Exploration
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:34:00 -
[617] - Quote
Lone Desire wrote:Reading other comments above ....
Yes, too many hours of boredom between brief moments of LAG and ACTION.
Agreed .. we DO NOT need even more ships and more complexity.
We need interesting, fun PvP action between corps, between fleets, and between players.
The ratio of "ACTION" to "GRIND" is way too low in EVE.
Indeed. It's interesting that Hellmar brought up 2003...I've been around since 04 and what I really miss, that no MMO has been able to really deliver, is the ability to go out in a small fast ship alone or with a couple of friends, go balls to the wall and have a good time. Now it's mostly a numbers game, with massive alliance blobs controlling .0 and boring cookie-cutter missile fits dominating PvE. Incursion and wormholes were bright glimmers of a possibly glorious future, but neither was carried to their logical ends and they too have fallen victim to LCD strategy. Basically CCP needs to focus on making Eve *fun*, not bigger or shinier or with more bullet points to list on the box. |
Dirk Massive
The Lucky 13th
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:51:00 -
[618] - Quote
It's refreshing to see a game companies exec write a letter like this to their players, admitting faults. I can appreciate that, and thank him for this effort. Now lets see if it gets followed up on, and see good things come in the future in Eve. One place they can start maybe is to repair the now dead faction war part of the game. It had great potential, but CCP just gave up on it. Just an idea. |
Lev Aeris
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:00:00 -
[619] - Quote
Thanks for manning up and acknowledging the ugly face of failure.
I really hope this means that CCP is going to take a long time finishing 8 years of half finished content that hints at greatness but ended up being an unpolished train wreck. Forgetting about infantry and vampires for a while and focusing on your companies flagship product could really take you good places. I think it would also make your customers very happy.
CCP has always been big on promises and as of late I'd go so far as to say charlatans. I sincerely hope that you can make the time and commitments to deliver on your hype this time around. |
Moeli Nightwalker
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:45:00 -
[620] - Quote
For now, it's just words.
Actions speak louder....
Time will tell. |
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Lone Desire
Rising Knights
3
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:18:00 -
[621] - Quote
BINGO!
CCP, Please focus on making EVE PvP fun again.
Cpt Bogus wrote:Indeed. It's interesting that Hellmar brought up 2003...I've been around since 04 and what I really miss, that no MMO has been able to really deliver, is the ability to go out in a small fast ship alone or with a couple of friends, go balls to the wall and have a good time. Now it's mostly a numbers game, with massive alliance blobs controlling .0 and boring cookie-cutter missile fits dominating PvE. Incursion and wormholes were bright glimmers of a possibly glorious future, but neither was carried to their logical ends and they too have fallen victim to LCD strategy. Basically CCP needs to focus on making Eve *fun*, not bigger or shinier or with more bullet points to list on the box.
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Omega Blaster
Derailleurs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:23:00 -
[622] - Quote
Very well said.
Thank you |
Adamas Anax
The Dark Tribe Checkmate.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:34:00 -
[623] - Quote
Well, Hilmar, these things happen when people put money ahead of substance and the needs of the customer. You said your sorry, great, but this still doesn't mean you are not a greedy sack. You lost your way, fine, you will fix it. Getting back the trust of the players will remain to be seen. Growth, in and of itself, is admirable in any business. It must be measured with patience and tempered with the opinions of the people in charge of your paychecks.....US. All extraneous additions that expand the "in station" game play should only be implemented to the game server after they are complete. Test all you want but don't deliver slivers of content without first asking the community their opinions and ideas first. But of course you know this now. The future of the game, as proposed, looks fantastic: more immersion for players while not flying in space, bigger and better mods and functions for game play, a wealth of unique items for players to wear (and hopefully sport in their quarters, like vats to display your most prized corpses or posters and wall papers) as well as possibly merging Eve with Dust (though this may be a long way off given the segregation of the two between PC and Xbox). The future can be great indeed, babysteps.....any departure from what should be a close relationship with your customer base will result in the EVEverse collapsing in a big crunch. |
Imawuss
Black Ice Protectorate The Imperial Senate
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:39:00 -
[624] - Quote
why do i feel i just went to one of those office meetings that are all hype and sound great, but in the end nothing at all changes? |
Kitsume Serine
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:45:00 -
[625] - Quote
Prove to me in actions not words. Talk is cheap and I still have a room that isnt decontaminated yet. (Complaint 45 of 210) |
Adamas Anax
The Dark Tribe Checkmate.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:49:00 -
[626] - Quote
Kitsume Serine wrote:Prove to me in actions not words. Talk is cheap and I still have a room that isnt decontaminated yet. (Complaint 45 of 210)
There are, as of yet, no feminine hygiene products in the Nex store. Not sure how you're gonna solve that issue. |
Somatic Neuron
Masterwork Productions Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 06:50:00 -
[627] - Quote
Inspire me, not with your words, but your actions and your content. Make EVE impress me and draw me back in, as I once was. Until then, I will remain a single account on a plex. |
Taronyu Eywa
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
5
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:31:00 -
[628] - Quote
"SQUAD MORALE RESTORED" |
crinsom
Incursion Runners Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:23:00 -
[629] - Quote
I commend the guy for being honest and humble easpically in todays society, and have respect for people who can be honest,
Just from my prospective about the game, the content which was implemented has been moving forward but has left the original content lacking
]Incursion's were a good idea and a twist on things, tho would of have been possible to change the racial incursions every so often so it spiced it up alittle more,
Wormholes were an ok ish idea, i like the design behind them making travel from onside of the galaxy to another, - i have not expereinced this content myself as it dose not appeal to me,
NPC missions get old and stagnant very quick lvl 4 to lvl 5 are a massive step, new missions are ok but they can get old very fast,
my main pvp days ended when Nano ships was all the rage as it was insane and not practical for a BS to go at those speeds
in general all the content at the moment is ok for 2-3 months then it gets old again,
The char store to buy clothes what in gods earth was that all about, if i wanted that i would play wow or other mmo's this is eve and is a significant different game to wow, so keep it that ways its the selling point im my opinion.
soon Star Wars online will be out, i hope this was not a PR stunt to try and entice those wavering as to play other mmo's because CCP admit they have borked the design and spirit of the game?
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
52
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:33:00 -
[630] - Quote
Yes, the rollout of Incarna and the shop were premature, yes they came at the cost of badly needed game updates and fixes, but the only thing that really bothered me or the people I fly with was the stupid anom nerf that micturated all over our hard work winning, holding and upgrading our space.
I appreciate Hilmars mea culpa, I'm sure some of his employees appreciate it far more than we players do - but I do hope that its not the start of a lilly livered, weak kneed CCP that flip flops on every decision based on flavour of the month grumbles.
There will always be Luddities - (even in a sandbox internet spaceship game!) and those people will always want to keep things "the same". They don't want to come out of the cave and investigate fire (you'll get burned!). They dont like the wheel (whats wrong with legs?) they dont want to go into space (solve the problems here on earth first) A long term strategic plan like incarna requires a long term focus. I think it will be worth the effort in the end. The opposing opinion: "Eve isnt about walking in stations" is asinine. Of course it isnt about that - yet - argue for your limitations and you get to keep them.
Oh and while I'm here: boost Hybrids (obviously!).
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Xavier Baudin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:47:00 -
[631] - Quote
I'm truly impressed with this blog. This does restore hope and in the longer run faith as well.
I've played this game on and off since beta, and what Hilmar is displaying now is really what is needed. He has my respect, moreso for his humbleness. Great men are born from humbleness, and great men achieve great things. Therefore, I see a brighter future for EVE.
Not sure about the ending of pay to play. I actually think this F2P is a very bad development in the MMO industry. Instant gratification with a subsequent dissapointment:"Cool, it's free..... Duh, can't do a darn fun thing without buying tons of stuff that I cannot afford anyway......." I think the sub concept is pretty solid. Mark my words: soon this F2P concept will be abandoned by more and more companies. I've seen many games with great potential going to ruin due to F2P.
Anyway, Hilmar, great to have you back, and I'm very curious to see what you have waiting for us! |
Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:13:00 -
[632] - Quote
Ravcharas wrote:Quote:From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. Yes and no. It might be a part of the future, too.
i prefer a good subscription-based game too.
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BadBoyBubby
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:13:00 -
[633] - Quote
How much did you pay for spin doctors to pump out this piece of....stuff.
I'm still not re-subbing the other 10 accounts and this one dies soon. Maybe you should have had the "lets get the basics right" epiphany 3 years ago when we were all saying "fix the damned lag/bugs/little ponies and NO MORE WORTHLESS BLING!!!". Ignorance is bliss...right up to the point where it bites you in the butt.
I'm really finding it hard to give a damn any more. Too little too late is what immediately springs to mind, and the lag (no pun intended) between words and actions will likely be too long to save the day IMHO. After 5 1/2 years and close to $20k down the drain, I still have this taste of vomit at the back of my throat.
Anyway, that's my 0.05 ISK worth...I'm off to play tanks :p |
Obbi Vynneve
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:38:00 -
[634] - Quote
I appreciate the honesty.
Quote: Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs.
I think this entire sentiment is highly foolish. People do not want connection with their avatars, because the avatar has no personality. Eve has always had the player as the pilot: this, however, is not a traditional roleplaying experience. The character creator is impressive, however that is the full extent of "me" that I see or care about. My ships, however, are still the thing I love the most.
T3 ships are by far the most alluring part of the game - why? - aesthetic modifications. Redesign the game one ship class at a time until you have basic models, then mods which you can put on top of them. Give players something they're proud to fly, because they spent the time designing it. Allow us to create symbols (even using pre-made palettes) and modify the shape and color of our ships. I realize it might be a bit much for the engine (especially in blob warfare), however this is the direction to go to make people care.
There is no direct character interaction and your character doesn't have dialogue or story; there are no emotions or background to investigate. Spaceships are the core of Eve. So, I ask you: what the hell were you guys thinking?
Incarna didn't give us characters or avatars: they gave us mannequins.
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Malarkey
Twisted Creations Low Hanging Fruit
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:40:00 -
[635] - Quote
BadBoyBubby wrote:How much did you pay for spin doctors to pump out this piece of....stuff.
...I'm off to play tanks :p
I suspect that a large part of the drop in subscribers is the competition from World of Tanks. Been there myself and I know a whole bunch of others who are still there, leaving their Eve dormant.
It's hard to give up a dream and walking in stations was a dream for CCP staff as far back as the first fan fest (which I did attend).
It's even harder to admit you have been wrong as CEO, in the direction you have taken a company, especially.
The cynics may believe this is just spin and vapour but I can believe that Hellmar will put as much energy into getting Eve "back on track" as he has taking us to Incarna.
I hope they "fix" 0.0 and the blob alliances/cartels. Imho it's broken atm. Personally I want a 0.0 in which the small corp/alliance can survive, build and fight without the constant threat of being wiped out over-night or having to rent to massive alliances.
I miss the days when 0.0 was almost empty and you felt like an explorer in the wilderness.
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Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:44:00 -
[636] - Quote
Quote:From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community. CCP used to do things differently, and quite successfully. Why start running behind trends now, like "me too"? I'm another +1 for keeping the subscription model.
Quote:The game needs new ships. Don't introduce new ships if you can't find roles for them without obsoleting existing ones and creating imbalance. In that regard, the stats and capabilities given to T3s were a mistake. |
Raltar Luen
Vindictive Bastards
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 10:12:00 -
[637] - Quote
Well Said,,,,
My point on this subject is one I had for a while playing MMO's. To make a quality appealing game, you must fix what's wrong first, and then move forward.
I applaud your efforts to produce a new expansion every 6 months, and for free is also VERY nice.
And to get the Quality into a expansion with the complexities of the game that is evolving. You may have to rethink the 6month schedule. I'm an older player, I have a lot to keep me involved and interested in this great and wonderful universe. The younger crowd might think otherwise.
Incarna is bound to be the greatest expansion thus far. Station -Player interaction, with planet side game play. But as you all know, if it isn't done right and with quality that the player community comes to expect, it could also be the worse.
Raltar |
Visione
VM Labs Quo Vadis.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:14:00 -
[638] - Quote
finally a blog i can support and is nice
i think i speak for all or maybe allot of EVE players:
"We don't want more "sims 3" activities or expantions, we want more spaceship business, we didn't play EVE to get another sims 3 copy, we played EVE because it was UNIQUE, not another 14-year-old-game"
so yes, fix game mechanics, fix null-sec, fix FW, add more ships, and don't forget its a game about serious spaceships :P
so i am fary please CCP can see that now :) |
SwissChris1
Battlestars S E D I T I O N
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:26:00 -
[639] - Quote
Thanks, this is exactly what I wanted to hear from you guys Glad to see you guys are back on track! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:52:00 -
[640] - Quote
Imawuss wrote:why do i feel i just went to one of those office meetings that are all hype and sound great, but in the end nothing at all changes?
Maybe most people think you need a big pair of balls to punch someone's face and everything then goes forward, they're sadly wrong.
Having a ******* big pair of balls is to come out in front of each and every one and recognise you've done ****, you messed up and assume your mistakes, learn from them, present your excuses and show you want to move forward on the right path.
This has been done.
CQFD
It's time to move forward and find together ways to improve this game and bring it to it's higher potential, and the one who can't see the true potential of it is either blind or stupid.
More peeps, more stuff, more content, a better game. |
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couriertrading alt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:15:00 -
[641] - Quote
Firstly let me congratulate you for writing this, it was brave of you when you consider the personal reasons you have mentioned for what basicly became the EVE riots.
The EVE that we have all created though is a place where actions speak louder than words, but this said your letter has restored a large part of my faith in CCP and the future of EVE, now we wait to see the actions.
Kind regards
CTA
P.S. long live the subscription! |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:19:00 -
[642] - Quote
I really had the feeling CCP didn't understand (or didn't want to understand) the problems and is growing more distant to it's customers.
This blog shows me that Hellmar understands, and is willing to correct and prevent what was done wrong.
I feel this is the first big step taken by CCP, that might actually restore my fate and the fate of many customers.
Just before the blog ended, i still had the feeling to address GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you doGÇ¥; and there it was, in the blog reading it just after i was thinking it.
That to me is just proof that you understand, and i will be looking with renewed hope to what CCP will do next. |
Benteen
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:20:00 -
[643] - Quote
It's good to see faith is slowly being restored. Thank you for having the courage to write that blog and I hope you know i'm going to stay the course with you and the CCP team for as long as I can. |
DODGE CITY
Canary Wharf Industries The Forsaken.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:32:00 -
[644] - Quote
i have a suggestion....stop with the monthly deployment of new game features and give them to us every 6 months after they have been tested thoroughly on sisi and all bugs have been worked out and patched. 1 more suggestion fix the training que so months worth of training can be added so we dont have to check every few days ..cause you all dont keep the que active unless the account is paid monthly so would not give any one an unfair advantage over any other player |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:58:00 -
[645] - Quote
I can't believe Hilmar came clean like this! I double-checked the site to make sure I hadnt landed on some hoax page or anything. :)
Anyway, kudos to the man for everything he said. That was pretty big of him.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
4
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:27:00 -
[646] - Quote
Visione wrote:finally a blog i can support and is nice
i think i speak for all or maybe allot of EVE players:
"We don't want more "sims 3" activities or expantions, we want more spaceship business, we didn't play EVE to get another sims 3 copy, we played EVE because it was UNIQUE, not another 14-year-old-game"
so yes, fix game mechanics, fix null-sec, fix FW, add more ships, and don't forget its a game about serious spaceships :P
so i am fary please CCP can see that now :)
I think comparing what Incarna was supposed to be is extremely glib. A lot of EVE players tend to be glib. A total scifi experience includes a character that fits the setting. If YOU want to be the pilot, then design your character to look like yourself. It's that simple. It's not another sims copy.
Quote:Incarna didn't give us characters or avatars: they gave us mannequins.
I'll give you that. But, the old character creation, when your bloodline and heritage MATTERED, there was something there. I think that should come back. I also think that hearing Aura describe the various empires during character creation was awesome. What the hell happened to that? I'm personally very attached to my characters. But, I think to flesh out Incarna more, it might be worth considering to bring heritage into the mix. Simply asking a player to write a bio isn't quite enough. There should be a legacy to build from. So it goes. |
J Kunjeh
79
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:32:00 -
[647] - Quote
Obbi Vynneve wrote: I think this entire sentiment is highly foolish. People do not want connection with their avatars, because the avatar has no personality. Eve has always had the player as the pilot: this, however, is not a traditional roleplaying experience. The character creator is impressive, however that is the full extent of "me" that I see or care about. My ships, however, are still the thing I love the most.
I think that presuming to speak for anyone but yourself is far more foolish, don't you? "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Vetr Saken
Via Silvestris
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:28:00 -
[648] - Quote
I've always puzzled over the complaints around some of the issues mentioned. I welcomed CQ. I never saw ship spinning as anything other than just something to occupy the eyes while in a station, and I can't understand why people got so passionate about its removal. CQ, at its worst, is also just something to occupy the eyes while docked. At best, it's the beginning of new, more involving phase in EVE's development.
As for the Noble Exchange, like many players, my reaction to that has been to ignore it. It'll stay, or it'll go. I have no feelings either way. I can't get worked up about 'pay-to-win', because I've always felt that the ability to buy GTCs and sell PLEX in-game already amounts to that.
Still, whatever my position on the issues raised, I accept that many have been unhappy recently. So it took courage to make this post, and I too thank CCP Hellmar for doing so. |
Karos Vandarl
Omnimodus Operandi OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:41:00 -
[649] - Quote
no pay to win : great
you noticed 0.0 is utterly totaly broken : good
your goina fix 0.0 : good , im a '07 living in high sec 'cuz 0,0 is FUBAR
you realized that we players are not so stupid we noticed a single room with no edit options doesnt count as an expansion (CQ) : ok
your bringing back ship spinning : meh
new ships : good
......
ok caps back on the kerosine can, but the cans not going back in the shed yet.
you bought some time. use it well. |
Apaco lypse
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:55:00 -
[650] - Quote
Thanks Hellmar, I think the EVE community will forgive you too... soon(tm). |
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Brazero
Noble House
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:00:00 -
[651] - Quote
Not a word about the major fokkups, like plex, RMT, bots. The things that really ruined the game. |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:05:00 -
[652] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:Obbi Vynneve wrote: I think this entire sentiment is highly foolish. People do not want connection with their avatars, because the avatar has no personality. Eve has always had the player as the pilot: this, however, is not a traditional roleplaying experience. The character creator is impressive, however that is the full extent of "me" that I see or care about. My ships, however, are still the thing I love the most.
I think that presuming to speak for anyone but yourself is far more foolish, don't you?
Look at how many people got into playing EVE before Incarna was even thought of, doesn't that give a good idea of what people want? People cared about their ships and they still do, I know many people who care more about their ships than their avatar and that's the reason we play this game and call it "Internet Spaceships". With all this "evidence" I could speak for others and I'm guessing that's the same thing Obbi Vynneve did. |
Shifty Shifterson
The White Fang
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:48:00 -
[653] - Quote
I got in here pretty late so I can't imagine this will even get read. It is great that you are thinking about finishing some of the aspects which have been added to the game as little more than concepts. I have been disappointed by so many of the recent 'expansions', though I appreciate a lot of work has gone in to them. The problem was always that everything has been over-hyped, probably because you wanted them to be so much more.
Factional warfare was supposed to be a huge war over territory. I pictured it something like this: if faction x control a system, then that system is generally safe from the enemy. As in, if an enemy is there, then they get shot by npc's and gate/station guns. Something along these lines anyway, to avoid the campy side of fighting which 0.0 is so often about. So that there would be a front line with a war continuously going on instead of a camp at the most common lowsec entrance and occasional blobs flying around.
However, I am a little worried about the things that you did not mention:
Planetary interaction was touted as some kind of sim city game in EVE and turned out to be little more than a UI reminiscent of a flash game with a totally overcomplicated resource network to make it seem like it was a lot of hard work. Saying that, at least that patch brought with it some beautiful looking planets.
Wormhole space seemed to go entirely against everything you have said about visions for EVE. I swear every year in the visions of the future presentations you mention that EVE is a huge place and that there is so much wasted space within the systems. Then you had half as many again or whatever it was... why? Surely a better mechanic could have been added to test the new AI and source special resources from, within the current geographical structure of EVE. I don't really have a problem with wormholes tbh, just that it seemed to fly in the face of everything I thought you wanted from EVE.
Lastly, and probably most importantly really, I would mention Dust 514. If you want to talk about upsetting your audience and us owning the game then perhaps you should take a minute and consider this. We, the PC audience are your original and currently your ONLY audience. We have put up with many patches of late which were unfinished and added little to the game in the long term. Now you are considering bringing out an entirely new world (or many) with all new gameplay aspects within the game and presumably this will come out as a finished package. If you don't want to upset your audience, my main piece of advice would be this:
BRING OUT FIGHTING IN OUTPOSTS/STATIONS/CAPITAL SHIPS AT THE SAME TIME OR VERY SHORTLY AFTER DUST 514 (basically any form of FPS within EVE played through a PC, not death match rooms in a station but territorial combat)
That should be your main focus more than anything else right now in my opinion. More important than finishing anything else, simply because if the FPS aspect of EVE is to be limited to consoles, you are going to upset a lot more people. |
Bea corpse
O-NIWABAN
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:59:00 -
[654] - Quote
well... I-¦ve been here more or less since 2005. There are a few things that have been bothering me for a long time and some of them have to do with ccp's focus or direction.
ccp is just a company, with managers and shareholders. when revenue starts slipping, it gets noticed. thats all that is really happening here. hilmar is trying to rally, both his own troops and players. not sure its gonna work - too little and too late indeed.
the fact is, while ccp has been busy trying to push and polish the "eve-is-real" experience (please!) and throwing in character creation (huge waste of time and diskspace) and captain quarters in order to appeal to a broader base of customers they have been neglecting their old (and, at one time, willfully paying) subscribers.
I don-¦t pay for EO anymore and I won't go back to that if Incarna and CQ is all that we can look forward to in the very near future. I've done the alliance bit, the 0.0 bit, piracy, missions, yaddyyadda, WH, exploration...all besides industry really, and why would I pay money to do that in a space game??
the only real reason to play and stick with eve is space. Not stations. Not blingy avatars or (come on people!) monocles or shoulder pads! its space and what you get to do in it, alone, in small groups or big, as long as you are having fun. that is where you get your immersion, the fun factor....all else fades very very quickly.
so, ccp lost their way - they forgot the real reason why peeps want(ed) to play eve. finally listening to reason (paying users screaming for attention) does not constitute courage, nobility or any honorable human trait. seeing your wallet bleed, however, and your company profit drop usually prompts people to some kind of action. don't make this "dev blog" out to be anything else than it really is - a plea to players to not leave the game.
someone posted earlier that ccp may have bought themselves some time. maybe they will have enough time to finish and launch dust514, and maybe not. In either case, I have paid more than Gé¼1000 to ccp in subscription(s) during my playtime. It was fun (note past tense) and I hope it will be again. I've got ISK for about 10months and that's all the time I'm giving ccp.
a few years ago, while playing another char, i postulated that eve was dying. i still think it is, and hilmar's only proving me right.
(posted as former char: Finn Yr)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=4 |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:04:00 -
[655] - Quote
Yep I think that apology/summary covers everything that went wrong. Incarna just wasn't ready for release at that point and was extremely underwhelming. Here's hoping the winter expansion goes a bit better. |
six deltasigma
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:07:00 -
[656] - Quote
This might help to explain things: Hilmar, show me the money!!
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Ztrain
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:41:00 -
[657] - Quote
Is this the typical CCP Mittens conversation?
Z |
Andrea Griffin
23
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:25:00 -
[658] - Quote
One of the very best blogs in a long, long time. It's easy to get drunk on one's own success - we see it every day with modern day super starts. Sports, movies, business, whatever. What we rarely see is someone taking a moment to reflect on what is happening and change course.
I'm happy to let the past stay the past and look forward to the future. Here's to a stronger, better future for Eve.
Edit: I'm happy to pay a monthly subscription for an excellent game. Every single "free" MMO that I have tried is a terrible, shallow piece of poo. They can go free because, well, you get what you pay for and they have very little to offer. Eve is different. Eve is worth paying for. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Symlin Raahn
Killer Koalas
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:36:00 -
[659] - Quote
I informed CCP of problems and got the run-around. (Telling a customer to submit the problem somewhere else if they want to is NOT the way a customer wants to be treated. The company should submit it there themselves when it is THEIR problem.)
I tell them that telling me I'm getting a 3 month subscription when it is really only 90 days is not being 100% honest with the customer, and they ignored me. I felt they said, "Screw you, it's only a day or two." Their day or two, MY money.
I complained about all kinds of new **** being introduced when much of the old **** wasn't working right, or causing problems. They kept developing new **** and ignored the problems.
I complained that not being able to read the small, in-game type was very annoying for someone who no longer has great eyesight at computer screen focal length. Answer? We don't need you older players... at least that's what I felt. News Flash! One doesn't need to be old to not have great eyesight.
And I'm VERY TIRED of having to change things around all the time because CCP changes the game play or the way the computer mechanics work. It seems like you spend as much time getting outside programs to work right sometimes as you do with EVE game play. Who has time to play the game when you have to be tweaking stuff all the time. I don't need a job. I want a game I can relax with.
You destroy things I have spent tons of time setting up and act like it's no big deal. I'm particularly thinking of having to import and export settings when there are updates, and that not even working a good deal of the time -- like all my customized overview settings that get wiped out on a CCP whim. Bull ****.
I wish just a message from the head dude would make all this crap right. To me it will not.
I'll believe it when I see it, and not one second sooner. It's now up to them to convince me, and words won't do it.
Your turn, CCP. Go.
Sym I see you wiped out my signature area when you created the new forums.-á Head up your ass again, CCP.-á Head up your ass.-á This is exactly the type of BS I said I was tired of in the message I left in reply to the Petursson apology message of October 7, 2011, which is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=154566#post154566 |
NeGaMeSH
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.10.08 03:45:00 -
[660] - Quote
Its good to see that Hilmar wrote this humble pie blog. However, for me it has come too late. Since Incarna I have already detached myself from the pointless grind that Eve has become. How many times have you killed Zor, over and over, how long can one stare at a rock, how many times have you killed someone, or got killed while trying? For what purpose? More isk? A silly killmail? A stupid monocle?
When you grind a bit you can earn billions, what else is next? More Isk? To do what? Get 16 hurricanes? Fly a bigger ship? Want a Titan? It will blow up eventually, well back to grinding again then. What are you saying? Did your wife ran off because you where living in the basement for 5 months because you want to replace the lost pixels? Ah what the hell it is only 5 month of your life you just lost, back to some more grinding.
Rinse repeat. Kill some more, die some more, conquer systems which change hands again a month later. Good luck.
New and interesting expansions would have kept myself and my friends attached.
What made Eve interesting for me where the people i met in this game, but they all left the building for some time now, due to lack of new content. With interesting new content, new crazy ships, more things to do other than signing up with the blob alliances, i probably would have kept playing.
What CCP can never fix is the fact that the 'endgame' of Eve is pretty much pointless. The endgame is controlled by maybe 20-30 peeps that play 24/7, they are all tangled up in crazy politics, lurking in chatboxes and channels all day to play the grinding puppets. You either sign up with the blobbing barrel of monkeys and become a puppet, or spin your ship out of boredom, log on less and less, and see your buddies leave one at the time.
This will not be fixed by any supercap nerf, hybrid balancing, shiney icons, or another overhaul of nullsec. This mea culpa from Hilmar is nothing more then an attempt to keep everybody in to squeeze the lemon, till their next games comes out. This lemon has dried up. Cheers and good luck. |
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 04:09:00 -
[661] - Quote
CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope
So "pay to win" is and always was on the table...
Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with. |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
7
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Posted - 2011.10.08 04:24:00 -
[662] - Quote
Wylee Coyote wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope So "pay to win" is and always was on the table... Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with.
You're right. Because it's completely unrealistic to expect a business to adapt to a radically changing market. I mean, what are they? A publicly traded company or something?
So it goes. |
BlinSky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.08 05:50:00 -
[663] - Quote
After saying what I thought about the famous blog, I thought to re write my opinion in a different manner
How To Save EVE:
1) Seed 5k new nullsec systems, 2) Go back to the 60, 90 day Gtc's (or some for like that) , 3) Make the highest null sec system have at leas 1 sanctum, 4) Fix bugs 5)Add new stuff after implementing the first 4 steps.
Now leme explain what that will do:
The no 1 Idea: 1) Seed 5k new nullsec systems
This will lead to lots of high sec people to go try the new unoccupied space providing them the chance to grow up into a new alliance and why not, provide lots of opportunity kills for pvpers. Another thing will this do is spread around the current power blocks not just geographically but also in more smaller groups. - this will further escalate to smaller gang warfare (at least on the first year or so) Yes it will be a land rush at first but lets admit it we need this. Right now eve is all marked out. There's no room for anyone to grow unless they suck some heavy nuts.
The No 2 and 3 Ideas: 2) Go back to the 60, 90 day Gtc's (or some for like that) 3) Make the highest null sec system (0.0) have at leas 1 sanctum at lvl5 level of upgrade
This are directly aimed at the plex paying pvpers. How? You ask? Simple: Today's plex prices are horrible. I am a pvper (or try to be LOL) and current game style forces me to do **** that's not fun for me just so I can manage staying in game, not just cover the ships I lose. But, by taking care of my main problem (account payment by plex/gtc) I would actually start to have fun again. If I was to rat for 5-6-7h and pay my account for 3 months, than pretty much the rest of 89 days Il have fun and actually enjoy eve. Id be back up to 3 or maybe make me 4th - 5th accounts.
So personally I think that(from plex point of view) CCP had to choose, either Sell a few expensive or sell many cheap. And I think they went for few expensve in the hope that will turn in many expensive. But people can't keep up with plex prices like this. 410mil for a plex how would I ever buy me 3 or 5 a month, how would I ever buy a friend of mine 3 months of game play to introduce him to eve if I can't sustain my own game play, not to mention I no longer pvp/have fun cuz I have to run after sites with the probes all day????
I've put in 5years of my life in this game, its been fun And I really would like to keep at it but I'm to tired to grind for isk just so I can buy plex. I'm tired to log in and see bugs that I reported for months still affecting my game play, I'm tired of CCP to ignore me and the guys that really want to make the game work.
There it is my atempt to save eve so I can continue having fun with spaceships, do as you think CCP I'l stop posting now.
Thx for the fun years of eve. GL
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Rhynn Izo
Banzai Institute for Advanced Warfare and Tactics
1
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Posted - 2011.10.08 06:31:00 -
[664] - Quote
Nice blog, reads ok to me, lets hope CCP can keep their Promises and get back on Course
* Vote for Engine Trails anyone ? * |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 06:36:00 -
[665] - Quote
Nandy Cocytus wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope So "pay to win" is and always was on the table... Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with. You're right. Because it's completely unrealistic to expect a business to adapt to a radically changing market. I mean, what are they? A publicly traded company or something?
No no no, you're right, completely contradicting your company's stance for years on a matter, twice now, and the point of an entire apology that was necessary because of the first time the stance was (made officially known to be) broken, is always the best way to continue to do business with "The followers of Eve" or even garner new business alltogether. Hence the sh!tstorm we just had about all this (you have a very big rock to live under as you've clearly missed it) and mass exodus of long term fans/players/subscribers(<-that means less money, you know, the stuff CCP is trying to figure out how to get more of AND, ultimately, what shareholders want more of).
TL;DR The Point <------------------------------------------------------------> You |
Deichi
Canis Industries Ltd Avaricious Cartel
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:45:00 -
[666] - Quote
BTW: Your forums suck.... I just wrote a 2000 words reply and the preview shows nothing... and there is no way back... please replace JavaScript with normal forms... thank you... |
Deichi
Canis Industries Ltd Avaricious Cartel
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:55:00 -
[667] - Quote
I will try to paraphrase my loooong post into some shorter things: Please Hilmar, do not lose the future vision out of sight. Thats what I am still paying my monthly fee for. I only play EVE for changing my skills now and I sit in my beloved captains quarters and wait for the doors to the station to open. In any free to play model I would probably pay nothing for that. Think about that.
And about ship spinning: Apart from beeing able to spin your ship in space, it now spins more realistic in the hangar and you even have a small wireframe model around which you can walk. Extend that with an interaction that zooms in and adds the full model detail which you then can spin and most players will be lucky (except those that already accepted the ship as BEEING their avatar)
Keep the balance between keeping current gameplay fun and building for the future. And please do not try to build your funding on free-to-play models. Name only ONE MMO that still makes good money with that. Most of those are already dead. |
HanSolos Daddy
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:59:00 -
[668] - Quote
Wylee Coyote wrote:Nandy Cocytus wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope So "pay to win" is and always was on the table... Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with. You're right. Because it's completely unrealistic to expect a business to adapt to a radically changing market. I mean, what are they? A publicly traded company or something? No no no, you're right, completely contradicting your company's stance for years on a matter, twice now, and the point of an entire apology that was necessary because of the first time the stance was (made officially known to be) broken, is always the best way to continue to do business with "The followers of Eve" or even garner new business alltogether. Hence the sh!tstorm we just had about all this (you have a very big rock to live under as you've clearly missed it) and mass exodus of long term fans/players/ subscribers(<-that means less money, you know, the stuff CCP is trying to figure out how to get more of AND, ultimately, what shareholders want more of). TL;DR The Point <------------------------------------------------------------> You
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HanSolos Daddy
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:31:00 -
[669] - Quote
Deichi wrote:BTW: Your forums suck.... I just wrote a 2000 words reply and the preview shows nothing... and there is no way back... please replace JavaScript with normal forms... thank you...
Lol. The forums ate my first post too, after I used the preview feature... |
Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.10.08 09:23:00 -
[670] - Quote
well....
No real opinion. I just hope things work out. Sorry to hear establishments being put on the back burner. I was looking so forward to that.
To the sounds of it progress just fell short of expectations and the great gift of incarna had to be put to the side. As the crowd can only give so much leeway.
would at least like to have 1 team working on incarna. 1 Team should work effeciently vs trying to co-ordinate several.
I hope time dialation becomes a good fix, and multi tread coding becomes a possile step |
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
20
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:43:00 -
[671] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:well....
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I hope time dialation becomes a good fix, and multi tread coding becomes a possile step That would have to be more than one step wouldn't it?
:) |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:01:00 -
[672] - Quote
+ $15 |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:22:00 -
[673] - Quote
Wylee Coyote wrote:Nandy Cocytus wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope So "pay to win" is and always was on the table... Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with. You're right. Because it's completely unrealistic to expect a business to adapt to a radically changing market. I mean, what are they? A publicly traded company or something? No no no, you're right, completely contradicting your company's stance for years on a matter, twice now, and the point of an entire apology that was necessary because of the first time the stance was (made officially known to be) broken, is always the best way to continue to do business with "The followers of Eve" or even garner new business alltogether. Hence the sh!tstorm we just had about all this (you have a very big rock to live under as you've clearly missed it) and mass exodus of long term fans/players/ subscribers(<-that means less money, you know, the stuff CCP is trying to figure out how to get more of AND, ultimately, what shareholders want more of). TL;DR The Point <------------------------------------------------------------> You
You're right, I did miss the shitstorm. And I've spent the last few days trying very hard to get a recap. I'm doing pretty well.
I didn't miss the point. You did. Radical changes mean a corporation (CCP) will not survive if it doesn't change. CCP, despite what you seem to believe, is entitled to survival. The point that you missed is this is a projection for a radical change that would 1) take years from it's beginning to come full circle, and 2) isn't even close to happening. Subscriptions are the bread and butter of everything right now. You can even get a subsrciption to Hulu, for christ's sake. So, you're getting upset that CCP is exhibiting fictional conformity to the fictional market in a future that isn't even close to happening. I may be living under a rock, but you're hallucinating. You may want to talk to someone about that. So it goes. |
Eli Strange
Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc The Company LLC
3
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Posted - 2011.10.08 15:13:00 -
[674] - Quote
Thank you. I will be excited to see what improvements you bring to the game. |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 16:31:00 -
[675] - Quote
Thank you, can I play without losing any of my hard earned and payed for (in isk and actual money) property now please? |
ButtFungus
SOONWAFFE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 16:39:00 -
[676] - Quote
HanSolos Daddy wrote:CCP, customers don't want a superior business model, they want a quality game experience. People who only play Free to play MMOs (i.e. pay to win) are not a good source of income so why try to attract them? Use some common sense instead of all these fail business models. These models work fine for cheap web based and Facebook games. They don't work for high end offerings like Eve. CCP needs to quit worrying about what HelloKittyOnline and whatever other "free" junk mmos are doing and just take care of their customers and their product. Porsche didn't throw in the towel when Toyota made cars 1/5 as expensive as theirs, and Porsche is doing fine. Think about it-what would you rather drive? What would you rather play?
^^^THIS^^^ Read this CCP. Read this Ten times. This is who plays Eve. Stop thinking about filling your wallet short term, and think of 300,000 players like this filling your wallet every month forever. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 17:16:00 -
[677] - Quote
Nandy Cocytus wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Nandy Cocytus wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope So "pay to win" is and always was on the table... Thanks for confirming what caused this mess to begin with. You're right. Because it's completely unrealistic to expect a business to adapt to a radically changing market. I mean, what are they? A publicly traded company or something? No no no, you're right, completely contradicting your company's stance for years on a matter, twice now, and the point of an entire apology that was necessary because of the first time the stance was (made officially known to be) broken, is always the best way to continue to do business with "The followers of Eve" or even garner new business alltogether. Hence the sh!tstorm we just had about all this (you have a very big rock to live under as you've clearly missed it) and mass exodus of long term fans/players/ subscribers(<-that means less money, you know, the stuff CCP is trying to figure out how to get more of AND, ultimately, what shareholders want more of). TL;DR The Point <------------------------------------------------------------> You You're right, I did miss the shitstorm. And I've spent the last few days trying very hard to get a recap. I'm doing pretty well. I didn't miss the point. You did. Radical changes mean a corporation (CCP) will not survive if it doesn't change. CCP, despite what you seem to believe, is entitled to survival. The point that you missed is this is a projection for a radical change that would 1) take years from it's beginning to come full circle, and 2) isn't even close to happening. Subscriptions are the bread and butter of everything right now. You can even get a subsrciption to Hulu, for christ's sake. So, you're getting upset that CCP is exhibiting fictional conformity to the fictional market in a future that isn't even close to happening. I may be living under a rock, but you're hallucinating. You may want to talk to someone about that.
You may want to put on your reading comprehension cap, as nowhere in my post did I say that CCP is not allowed to change their business model and as you've clearly not caught anywhere near up to speed on the sh!tstorm.
The point ypu continually ignore is that in addition to having never said that CCP is not allowed to change their business model, I (and many others, as evident in the sh!tstorm created by Hillmar's leaked letter) was in agreement with the current business model of subscription (and plex sale) based income. This business model was also backed up with CCP's official stance that no one will be able to pay to win in eve no matter what. Then the leaked letter confirmed a suspicion that this was not the case, that CCP can, will, and always have considered using a pay to win business model (which, again, because you keep ignoring it, no one is saying that they do not have a right to do) which was a community 'call to arms' for if CCP has been lying to "The followers of Eve" about this, what is the point of believin anything they say, despite the fact that CCP has prided themselves as being one of the few companies that are most in touch with they're playerbase.
The other point that you're ignoring is that the creation the NEX store to begin with is the vehicle which a pay to win business model will be deliered by, the other reason for the massive sh!tstorm.
Even in Hillmar's apology blog (as I've quoted) there is a clear affirmation that even after all of Hillmar's/Zulu's/CCP's apologizing,they still retain the right to completely ignore years of customer trust, and official policy (again, because you want to read otherwise, they have every right to do this, no one is saying otherwise).
So, because it hasn't happened yet is not the issue that has/is causing the sh!tstorm and mass exodus of lon term subscribers, it is because they are saying that it can happen to begin with, and have already laid the foundation for it to happen that invalidates everythin else they say, especially this 'apology.' |
Eric Lancier
Disciples of Night Dominion of Darkness
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 17:48:00 -
[678] - Quote
Hellmar, nice first step, i respect that.
a few minor points tho:
Station spinning wasn't purely an "emotional attachment" thingy, it was useful, being able to deal with your ship in a visual format that was as simple as right clicking, that was it's base worth, seeing your ship in full glory was just fun., the third person CQ just makes it a mission to refit, check cargo or just enjoy checking out your hull-choice.
second: in my view, EVE has always been about "in space" interactions, if the players wanted pretty avatars with expensive equipment they would be playing wow or one of the numerous pay-to-win games available, i like the CQ and walk in stations idea but don't forget your core players that live in your universe.
after all that, thanks again for the best game ever concieved, don't F**K it up... please ;)
love Eric
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Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
9
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Posted - 2011.10.08 19:00:00 -
[679] - Quote
Quote:
You may want to put on your reading comprehension cap, as nowhere in my post did I say that CCP is not allowed to change their business model and as you've clearly not caught anywhere near up to speed on the sh!tstorm.
The point ypu continually ignore is that in addition to having never said that CCP is not allowed to change their business model, I (and many others, as evident in the sh!tstorm created by Hillmar's leaked letter) was in agreement with the current business model of subscription (and plex sale) based income. This business model was also backed up with CCP's official stance that no one will be able to pay to win in eve no matter what. Then the leaked letter confirmed a suspicion that this was not the case, that CCP can, will, and always have considered using a pay to win business model (which, again, because you keep ignoring it, no one is saying that they do not have a right to do) which was a community 'call to arms' for if CCP has been lying to "The followers of Eve" about this, what is the point of believin anything they say, despite the fact that CCP has prided themselves as being one of the few companies that are most in touch with they're playerbase.
The other point that you're ignoring is that the creation the NEX store to begin with is the vehicle which a pay to win business model will be deliered by, the other reason for the massive sh!tstorm.
Even in Hillmar's apology blog (as I've quoted) there is a clear affirmation that even after all of Hillmar's/Zulu's/CCP's apologizing,they still retain the right to completely ignore years of customer trust, and official policy (again, because you want to read otherwise, they have every right to do this, no one is saying otherwise).
So, because it hasn't happened yet is not the issue that has/is causing the sh!tstorm and mass exodus of lon term subscribers, it is because they are saying that it can happen to begin with, and have already laid the foundation for it to happen that invalidates everythin else they say, especially this 'apology.'
I think I understand now...
Demand perfection according to Wylee Coyote, Super Genius, at every turn. Anything else is fundamentally flawed and doomed to fail. Always and Forever. Jawohl
I've had more productive exchanges with my car. So it goes. |
Righteous Deeds
Diverse Endeavors
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 19:05:00 -
[680] - Quote
A solid Mea Culpa is good for the soul, good for the team, and good for business. Reasonable explanation of the direction he wants to go as well.
Only one word of caution, as you push towards this alleged requirement to providing a second life by avatars, try to remember this was never what attracted your current players, so make sure you give folks an option to bypass that aspect of the game so we can focus on the technical depth that really makes Eve different from the rest of the field. I get the reason for building towards an avatar-based aspect of the game, but a lot of us do not want to slow down what is currently Eve by mucking around with a graphical universe we couldn't care less about. Build your avatars, attract your new subscibers that care about eye-candy and virtual life on the internetz, but please don't force us all to use them. If you can manage that, no one can complain. |
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:33:00 -
[681] - Quote
Nandy Cocytus wrote:Quote:
You may want to put on your reading comprehension cap, as nowhere in my post did I say that CCP is not allowed to change their business model and as you've clearly not caught anywhere near up to speed on the sh!tstorm.
The point ypu continually ignore is that in addition to having never said that CCP is not allowed to change their business model, I (and many others, as evident in the sh!tstorm created by Hillmar's leaked letter) was in agreement with the current business model of subscription (and plex sale) based income. This business model was also backed up with CCP's official stance that no one will be able to pay to win in eve no matter what. Then the leaked letter confirmed a suspicion that this was not the case, that CCP can, will, and always have considered using a pay to win business model (which, again, because you keep ignoring it, no one is saying that they do not have a right to do) which was a community 'call to arms' for if CCP has been lying to "The followers of Eve" about this, what is the point of believin anything they say, despite the fact that CCP has prided themselves as being one of the few companies that are most in touch with they're playerbase.
The other point that you're ignoring is that the creation the NEX store to begin with is the vehicle which a pay to win business model will be deliered by, the other reason for the massive sh!tstorm.
Even in Hillmar's apology blog (as I've quoted) there is a clear affirmation that even after all of Hillmar's/Zulu's/CCP's apologizing,they still retain the right to completely ignore years of customer trust, and official policy (again, because you want to read otherwise, they have every right to do this, no one is saying otherwise).
So, because it hasn't happened yet is not the issue that has/is causing the sh!tstorm and mass exodus of lon term subscribers, it is because they are saying that it can happen to begin with, and have already laid the foundation for it to happen that invalidates everythin else they say, especially this 'apology.'
I think I understand now... Demand perfection according to Wylee Coyote, Super Genius, at every turn. Anything else is fundamentally flawed and doomed to fail. Always and Forever. JawohlI've had more productive exchanges with my car.
Would you be so kind as to show everyone exactly where I demanded (or even referenced) "Perfection" and/or alluded to anything else being "Fundamentaly flawed and doomed to fail?" |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
10
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:25:00 -
[682] - Quote
@Wylee Coyote:
But you don't need my help. You're already so good at it. Keep up the good work!! :thumbsup: So it goes. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:48:00 -
[683] - Quote
Nandy Cocytus wrote:@Wylee Coyote:
But you don't need my help. You're already so good at it. Keep up the good work!! :thumbsup:
Enjoy your engagements with inanimate objects, hopefully someday you'll be able to properly engage with humans. |
OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:38:00 -
[684] - Quote
Tranquility is currently down due to storage hardware issues. It is expected to be returned to service by 15:10 UTC. We will be updating with any new information as soon as possible.
do i get reimbursed for time lost becuase yuo all spend so much time on dust and the rest od the **** the eve is now turning into a rotting corpse becuase of 1 ******* leading the company down a hole |
Vedrit
Special Situations TOHA Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:42:00 -
[685] - Quote
woa, OSGOD, just becuase CCP wants to alienate a lot of players by catering to a half-a55ed console and making a sweet game for it, no need to be throwing rude names around.
Dont get me wrong, I too want compensation for it (If my ISP drops service unexpectedly for an extended amount of time, I'd be on them like a whip on a slave) |
Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
8
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:10:00 -
[686] - Quote
First, I believe this is the course correction I have been waiting to see. CCP Hellmar gets bonus points for having confidence enough to apologize in this manner, and further more, make good on it. Honestly, I haven't logged in for days because :effort: and just got a PS3.
I'll be watching to see if the actions match the words. If the goings-on on SiSi are any indication, things are looking up.
Second,
Zilero wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. Wait? What? NO! I don't care about my avatar, I want the idiot pictures turned off again like in the old days where I had to click a portrait to view his/her face. This insane focus on the visual experience will be your down fall! What I want is the game to run smoothly on current hardware, by that I mean current, not some ******** bleeding edge expensive vacuum making an insane amount of noise toaster oven that cost me USD 3000. CCP has failed again and again in delivering ANY kind of graphics performance - and why the hell are ATI lagging so far behind in performance its almost a crime? This alone should be enough to focus on getting the core stuff working before launching new ******** graphics intensive stuff - and then I have not even begun talking about the myriad of bugs that plagues Eve like we were part of the dark ages. Seriously, fix stuff, that's all the players ask for, not this utter crap you deliver. -zil
Your performance sucks because, dude, you got a Dell, or some other Walmart special. My $1200 custom rig has a ATI Radeon HD4890, 4GB of DDR3 RAM, and a Phenom II quad-core 965 proc on an ASUS M4A89 mobo. It runs all aspects of Eve at highest settings with no effort. CQ looks great. Giant fleet battles work as intended until about 400 folks are on grid. Then hey, zoom out and reduce settings.
Next time you are looking for a computer, get one custom built with components that complement each other, rather than a pre-assembled mishmash of the latest lowest bidder chinese sweatshop fail. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
16
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:09:00 -
[687] - Quote
Soldarius wrote:First, I believe this is the course correction I have been waiting to see. CCP Hellmar gets bonus points for having confidence enough to apologize in this manner, and further more, make good on it. Honestly, I haven't logged in for days because :effort: and just got a PS3. I'll be watching to see if the actions match the words. If the goings-on on SiSi are any indication, things are looking up. Second, Zilero wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. Wait? What? NO! I don't care about my avatar, I want the idiot pictures turned off again like in the old days where I had to click a portrait to view his/her face. This insane focus on the visual experience will be your down fall! What I want is the game to run smoothly on current hardware, by that I mean current, not some ******** bleeding edge expensive vacuum making an insane amount of noise toaster oven that cost me USD 3000. CCP has failed again and again in delivering ANY kind of graphics performance - and why the hell are ATI lagging so far behind in performance its almost a crime? This alone should be enough to focus on getting the core stuff working before launching new ******** graphics intensive stuff - and then I have not even begun talking about the myriad of bugs that plagues Eve like we were part of the dark ages. Seriously, fix stuff, that's all the players ask for, not this utter crap you deliver. -zil
Let me help you: if software is graphics intensive, but you are not seeing performance, it is a problem with your hardware. The software is in no way the problem. Also, bleeding edge technology is current hardware because, you know, it currently exists, and everything. And, people may start taking you a bit more seriously if you tone down the hyperbole just a smidgen. Comparing internet spaceships to playing dice in the Dark Ages is just stupid.
My custom system is as follows: Asus EVO MOBO, SLI-ed dual GeForce GTX 560 ti 2GB, Phenom II 1100T hexcore, 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz. My computer laughs at EVE's highest settings. LAUGHS FROM ITS MOUNTAIN. It did not cost $3000, rather, half that, which is a darned good deal. And I have 7 fans, including the GPU fans; I don't hear a thing. It's called a magnetic cushion.
Soldarius wrote:
Your performance sucks because, dude, you got a Dell, or some other Walmart special. My $1200 custom rig has a ATI Radeon HD4890, 4GB of DDR3 RAM, and a Phenom II quad-core 965 proc on an ASUS M4A89 mobo. It runs all aspects of Eve at highest settings with no effort. CQ looks great. Giant fleet battles work as intended until about 400 folks are on grid. Then hey, zoom out and reduce settings.
Next time you are looking for a computer, get one custom built with components that complement each other, rather than a pre-assembled mishmash of the latest lowest bidder chinese sweatshop fail.
Like another 1.5 million times. So it goes. |
Grojar Flesp
SQS Group
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:33:00 -
[688] - Quote
Helmar a.o.,
Good stuff, hope you will continue this course and keep listening to us, not too much because some of us are idiots .
Don't let go of the USP's of EVE, keeping your customers and building from that is easier than to attract new customers and losing the old ones. Repeat customer is usually better than new customer, if I remember my business economics correctly.
Hope to hear more from you soon.
Grojar Flesp |
OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:39:00 -
[689] - Quote
Vedrit wrote:woa, OSGOD, just becuase CCP wants to alienate a lot of players by catering to a half-a55ed console and making a sweet game for it, no need to be throwing rude names around.
Dont get me wrong, I too want compensation for it (If my ISP drops service unexpectedly for an extended amount of time, I'd be on them like a whip on a slave)
i am paying customer until these gaming companies are brought into line and legislation is made bye governments forces them to treat paying customers with the respect we desrve ill say what ever the **** i want about these lying cockheads,
i remember when to log onto sisi all you had to do was drop the menu on log on screen, how hard was it, now days after this **** hilmar makes a b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t statement eve is crashing and crashing amd crashing well done hilam very good customer care you lying a-s-s-h-o--le .
if eve wasnt the game it is or could be i would have been long gone ,but CCP keeps pushing us out the door ,.il just wait till till they go under buy the company sell of everything not eve related, employ humans instead of primates and start it up again with out the current greed mongers at the helm, LONG LIVE EVE |
OSGOD
TASSIE DEVILS OMEGA.
2
|
Posted - 2011.10.09 14:02:00 -
[690] - Quote
Nandy Cocytus wrote:Soldarius wrote:First, I believe this is the course correction I have been waiting to see. CCP Hellmar gets bonus points for having confidence enough to apologize in this manner, and further more, make good on it. Honestly, I haven't logged in for days because :effort: and just got a PS3. I'll be watching to see if the actions match the words. If the goings-on on SiSi are any indication, things are looking up. Second, Zilero wrote:CCP Hellmar wrote:Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. Wait? What? NO! I don't care about my avatar, I want the idiot pictures turned off again like in the old days where I had to click a portrait to view his/her face. This insane focus on the visual experience will be your down fall! What I want is the game to run smoothly on current hardware, by that I mean current, not some ******** bleeding edge expensive vacuum making an insane amount of noise toaster oven that cost me USD 3000. CCP has failed again and again in delivering ANY kind of graphics performance - and why the hell are ATI lagging so far behind in performance its almost a crime? This alone should be enough to focus on getting the core stuff working before launching new ******** graphics intensive stuff - and then I have not even begun talking about the myriad of bugs that plagues Eve like we were part of the dark ages. Seriously, fix stuff, that's all the players ask for, not this utter crap you deliver. -zil Let me help you: if software is graphics intensive, but you are not seeing performance, it is a problem with your hardware. The software is in no way the problem. Also, bleeding edge technology is current hardware because, you know, it currently exists, and everything. And, people may start taking you a bit more seriously if you tone down the hyperbole just a smidgen. Comparing internet spaceships to playing dice in the Dark Ages is just stupid. My custom system is as follows: Asus EVO MOBO, SLI-ed dual GeForce GTX 560 ti 2GB, Phenom II 1100T hexcore, 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz. My computer laughs at EVE's highest settings. LAUGHS FROM ITS MOUNTAIN. It did not cost $3000, rather, half that, which is a darned good deal. And I have 7 fans, including the GPU fans; I don't hear a thing. It's called a magnetic cushion. Soldarius wrote:
Your performance sucks because, dude, you got a Dell, or some other Walmart special. My $1200 custom rig has a ATI Radeon HD4890, 4GB of DDR3 RAM, and a Phenom II quad-core 965 proc on an ASUS M4A89 mobo. It runs all aspects of Eve at highest settings with no effort. CQ looks great. Giant fleet battles work as intended until about 400 folks are on grid. Then hey, zoom out and reduce settings.
Next time you are looking for a computer, get one custom built with components that complement each other, rather than a pre-assembled mishmash of the latest lowest bidder chinese sweatshop fail.
Like another 1.5 million times.
my machine is antec based case with 1200 watt PSU
eaton UPS
AMD Phenom 2 x6 3.20 Ghz 8 gig corsair ram love corsair corsair watercooling unit 2 x ati radeon 5980 2 gig 5GDDR running in Xcrossfire mod 260 gig SSD hard drive gigabyte mobo
and it laughs at any game on market today or the next 3 years my only let down for next 2 monhgts is a 60 million year old ISP called DODO cant run 2 accounts becuase the new shiny eve takes up 2 much bandwidth ( i am in Australia give me break) till contract runs out and i cant a 24 mg conection back , i was quite suprised at this let down as i used to run both accounts on a 1.5 mg connection but alas CCP have slept with enemy and the smaller people matter no more just what is the saying in the CCP office now.
SHOW US THE MONEY ,NOW **** OFF |
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Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:02:00 -
[691] - Quote
i wonder if CCP dev's still look at these comments after 35 pages ? Anyways, here is my thoughts on this blog.
First CCP began to lost touch to his users. They began to do task and actions which the community didn't ask. Users began to be pissed. Well knives was flying at everyone let say. Then, CCP created a group called CSM to multiple purpose but the main one was to help CCP to listen to it's users and make less mistakes (that's the image most people get of anyway).
It went well after a while but things got back at square one. CCP made mistakes, began to not listen to it's users. I personally know lots of my friends unsubscribed and stopped playing because of some of their actions. Again, CSM was created and they still didn't listen to their "disciples" after some time.
Helmar, don't take this wrong but I am very hesistant to believe your blog. I know lots of CEO, company leaders that gave the same message and didn't care at all. By conforting their customers like what you said, You simply hope they will let their guards down so you can continue your usually work.
Help me prove me wrong please. I still play this game mostly because of it's community not because of the gameplay unfortunately. The gameplay need lots of improvement which has been neglected for lots of years.
I could list some gameplay issues but users does that job awesomely ( does that word exist ? ). I could tell you some gameplay issues based on faction warfare since i'm in it but I could tell you other aspect like the wardec system and so on and so on since I face these issues more than others.
In the end, listen to the community instead of some jackass that only think's of money. |
Maximilian Black
Techno-Wizard Industrial Technologies
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:58:00 -
[692] - Quote
Talk is cheap - actions not words, please.
I cancelled both of my accounts after Incarna came about because the game had become boring. And frankly, a number of other veteran players I interacted with felt the same way.
CCP, the whole AGILE approach that you take with EVE is a huge, huge mistake. Enough with this "Chinese water torture" release methodology, it's ridiculous. It makes you release half-baked crap that's not feature complete, buggy and BORING, like Captain's Quarters. Incarna was a huge waste of our time, as there was still a litany of bugs and problems in the game that were completely ignored.
Next time, take 3 months to fix bugs and address balancing issues, stop wasting them on new bells and whistles. Do that any maybe I'll bring back my subscription money. Until then, my money is going to Sony.
Bye. Max |
Cybele Lanier
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:38:00 -
[693] - Quote
This log is very promising--hopefully, the promise will be delivered on. In a lot of the big crises, there has often been a startling degree of cluelessness in the official responses (remember the advice to target paint sieged dreadnoughts?), and this is a big step in the right direction. It's worth a lot to simply know that someone in power has noticed this stuff.
BlinSky wrote:The no 1 Idea: 1) Seed 5k new nullsec systems
This will lead to lots of high sec people to go try the new unoccupied space providing them the chance to grow up into a new alliance and why not, provide lots of opportunity kills for pvpers. Another thing will this do is spread around the current power blocks not just geographically but also in more smaller groups. - this will further escalate to smaller gang warfare (at least on the first year or so) Yes it will be a land rush at first but lets admit it we need this. Right now eve is all marked out. There's no room for anyone to grow unless they suck some heavy nuts.
They tried this, it was called the drone regions. How'd they work out again? |
Reana Shadows
Damocles Society Quebec United Legions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 22:42:00 -
[694] - Quote
I like the Captain Quarter, I thaught it gave more depth to game experience and a new orientation and feel to the game. For me it's two thumbs up CCP |
Norjia Blacksteel
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 23:12:00 -
[695] - Quote
I've never really cared about Incarna. I've been here since Red Moon Rising, and whenever Ambulation was mentioned, it just seemed like a feature from some other MMO. I'm in this for the politics and economics. As far as I've been concerned, Incarna was just a set of features I might toy with, but not invest serious playtime into. The biggest effect it's had on me is that I now look at a wall because I don't like the load time for the useless captain's quarters. Beyond that, it hasn't affected my personal experience.
However, what matters to me about what's been going on is that I have lost really dependable members because they hate Incarna and what it stands for. They (correctly or incorrectly) see it as EVE changing from a subscription-based player-driven economy to a micro-transaction-based developer-driven economy.
In my opinon, the change to microtransaction already happened with the introduction of PLEX. But RMT was happening, so I didn't see it was more than bringing that into the fold.
Our operation is small enough that I don't really have a sense of the scale of annoyance these updates have caused, so I'm not trying to say my vote has a lot of weight. But if Incarna marks a shift to EVE attempting to have mainstream appeal, I worry it will break the game. EVE has never been a mainstream game, but that's why I like it. Mainstream games are like WoW and EverQuest, neither of which I like very much.
Should EVE gain massive amounts of users through appealing to the masses by losing its hardcore nature, CCP will have more money, but lose me and many other fervent supporters. I guess that's what businesses do; try to get more money.
All good things must come to an end, and maybe this is just a sign of that end nearing. But I hope not; I like the idea of MMOs, and none is worth playing except EVE. |
Mereden
Space Lizards
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:41:00 -
[696] - Quote
With the usual 'it's what you do that matters' caveat....
Welcome back CCP - we've missed you |
maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.10 14:55:00 -
[697] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Good first step down a long road, Hellmar. Stay the course and we'll be with you every step of the way.
Looking forward to the follow on where you detail how you're going to commit to the new path. Please believe that we still wish you every success, and that all we've ever wanted was to sincerely help you make EVE the flagship of the entire MMO community. As I still believe it should be.
As I still believe it can be.
You said you were going to watch what we did. I know what you were thinking when you wrote those words, but let me recast them for you in another way. EVE is a sandbox, In the MMO world, EVE should stand for community, for partnership between players and developers, for continual evolution, for the greatest social experiment in gaming history.
Give us the opportunity to work with you, give us the tools to reshape this gorgeous, vicious, intriguing, unparalleled universe and then, by God, watch what we do with them.
Don't let us down and we won't let you down.
Deal?
this is a hell of a lot more eloquently put than i coulda done, so im just gonna quote it, and re-iterate the hope that EVE and CCP can walk out of the recent turmoils with its head held high.
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Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
17
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Posted - 2011.10.10 15:52:00 -
[698] - Quote
Maximilian Black wrote:Talk is cheap - actions not words, please.
I cancelled both of my accounts after Incarna came about because the game had become boring. And frankly, a number of other veteran players I interacted with felt the same way.
CCP, the whole AGILE approach that you take with EVE is a huge, huge mistake. Enough with this "Chinese water torture" release methodology, it's ridiculous. It makes you release half-baked crap that's not feature complete, buggy and BORING, like Captain's Quarters. Incarna was a huge waste of our time, as there was still a litany of bugs and problems in the game that were completely ignored.
Next time, take 3 months to fix bugs and address balancing issues, stop wasting them on new bells and whistles. Do that any maybe I'll bring back my subscription money. Until then, my money is going to Sony.
Bye. Max
You talk about a waste of time and resources, and then you tell us your money is going to Sony Online Entertainment? Really?
So it goes. |
Don Chelli
Hibernian Ascendancy Coalition of Free Stars
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 14:46:00 -
[699] - Quote
The Hubris began with the removal of the learning skills. They were taken out and with this a beautiful aspect of the game. To decide which way to go and take the consequences. Now CCP I hope you think over. Think safe! |
Aiko Intaki
Lodizal Shield Tek Lodizal Conglomerate
2
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Posted - 2011.10.11 16:01:00 -
[700] - Quote
Loved the blog in general, but you still don't "get it" with respect to MT. At least not as far as I'm concerned.
Quote:Virtual Goods
Next we arrive at our rather underwhelming virtual goods rollout. There was hardly anything to purchase initially, let alone to put the cost of the infamous monocle in perspective. The last thing we wanted to do was create the perception that all items in the store would be in that price range. Quite frankly, it was rather pointless to begin with because we did not have a multiuser environment in which players could show off their purchases. It was another feature that we rushed out the door before it was ready.
We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community. I don't care that the monocle was perceived as being expensive in real-world terms. I don't care that the monocle became a troll-badge and out-sold other MT items. I don't even care that the captain's quarters was a single room menagerie for MT. I also don't worry about the "pay to win" scenario, because it would make my decision not to play incredibly easy.
What do I dislike about MT in EvE? In order of annoyanceGǪ
- We're paying subscriptions for CCP to develop content to sell back to us via MT. - It's horribly immersion breaking when a shirt is worth more isk than a battleship. - It goes against EvE player-made industry norms. - MT in EvE is a test bed for WoD/Dust; essentially EvE-subscription funded non-EvE beta testing. - It goes against EvE risk norms in that Aurum-bought items are not lost when pod-killed.
You've (CCP) lost 3 of my 6 accounts over this, and will lose another before the year is out. You've promised enough in recent blogs that I'll hang on to the last two for a bit yet, but you (CCP) still do not "get it" when it comes to MT.
Aurum suck.
PS: The reason why the introduction of PLEX (the straw man brought up in interviews) didn't upset me? PLEX has a justification aside from profit in combating RMT. PLEX also do not double-dip in charging us. Neither of these things can be said for digital clothes and sparkle ponies. |
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TekkNition
Section Omega
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:25:00 -
[701] - Quote
Hear hear, nice blog. Finally some focus...plz! |
SAVANT Mahr
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
2
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:30:00 -
[702] - Quote
+1 Humility +1 Apology +1 Communication +1 Acknowledging ownership and responsibility for failincarna |
HaydenJD
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 10:26:00 -
[703] - Quote
Aiko Intaki wrote:Loved the blog in general, but you still don't "get it" with respect to MT. At least not as far as I'm concerned. Quote:Virtual Goods
Next we arrive at our rather underwhelming virtual goods rollout. There was hardly anything to purchase initially, let alone to put the cost of the infamous monocle in perspective. The last thing we wanted to do was create the perception that all items in the store would be in that price range. Quite frankly, it was rather pointless to begin with because we did not have a multiuser environment in which players could show off their purchases. It was another feature that we rushed out the door before it was ready.
We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items, or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community. I don't care that the monocle was perceived as being expensive in real-world terms. I don't care that the monocle became a troll-badge and out-sold other MT items. I don't even care that the captain's quarters was a single room menagerie for MT. I also don't worry about the "pay to win" scenario, because it would make my decision not to play incredibly easy. What do I dislike about MT in EvE? In order of annoyanceGǪ - We're paying subscriptions for CCP to develop content to sell back to us via MT. - It's horribly immersion breaking when a shirt is worth more isk than a battleship. - It goes against EvE player-made industry norms. - MT in EvE is a test bed for WoD/Dust; essentially EvE-subscription funded non-EvE beta testing. - It goes against EvE risk norms in that Aurum-bought items are not lost when pod-killed. You've (CCP) lost 3 of my 6 accounts over this, and will lose another before the year is out. You've promised enough in recent blogs that I'll hang on to the last two for a bit yet, but you (CCP) still do not "get it" when it comes to MT. Aurum suck. PS: The reason why the introduction of PLEX (the straw man brought up in interviews) didn't upset me? PLEX has a justification aside from profit in combating RMT. PLEX also do not double-dip in charging us. Neither of these things can be said for digital clothes and sparkle ponies.
Not sure this cane be said better. |
Divaith
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:10:00 -
[704] - Quote
Ever since I started playing EVE I knew it was a very different MMO, unlike anything I had played before. In short I have come to find it brilliant. Not because of the pew pew lasers, cool star ships and deep and interesting marker system, but because of things like this, the staff of ccp have a vision that is truly unique and they strive to achieve that. The staff dedication to there project is what makes this game great. They regularly update it, they fix the problems, they provide a very rich back story but the greatest part is this. That the are willing to admit they are wrong and fix it and that they actually listen to the community.
I say learn from these mistakes, build from it and Look forward to seeing where all this leads |
Feyleaf
Cryptonym Sleepers Moon Warriors
1
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:24:00 -
[705] - Quote
I have a tendency to only come on these forums when im pissed off about something.. .you guys have a brilliant unique thing in Eve. Ty for your Honesty Hilmar.. I really do care, I love Eve online and i really wanna love you guys too :)
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Sessym
Superstructure Exposure Service
8
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Posted - 2011.10.13 12:03:00 -
[706] - Quote
*Sob* This made me rant... _________ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;####;;-------======-]> --,,,,,,,,,.... //_###_________------;;;;;;;;;;;;'''----======-]> --'''''"""" //_____/ ------- |
Jhanu
Fleetworks ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.10.13 17:40:00 -
[707] - Quote
Seems cool to me. |
Jhanu
Fleetworks ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.10.13 17:41:00 -
[708] - Quote
I wish they had a better trading/market system in Eve. THAT interface needs to be upgraded in a bad way. They have ignored it through all the upgrades, everything is pvp, or nit pickicking about bland, mediocre updates. What is the first thing everyone says after a new update? its always, what's different? not 'the list' of changes, but how does it affect the way I perceive the eve experience? I used to belong to Scott Trade they have markt tools on their website to let you navigate the market far more sophistication than Eve's crude market/trading system. Eve should move more in that direction They have an economist on the staff full time, what the hell is he doing? with the exception of relatively minor tweaks it's the same as the beta. It should be something closer to these tools...
http://research.scottrade.com/qnr/Public/Markets/Overview
Not exactly that sophisticated, but there should be a much deeper broadly developed dynamic under pinning the economic system in this game. Where does all this isk go when you pay fees a taxes etc? its like there is this amorphous entity out there, that is a secret authoritarian regime. Why can't there be a central bank, chartered by a political entity? Why can't the wealthiest players/alliances/corporations, etc interact more 'real life' in a true 'free market' capitalist frame work? And why can't the whole political dimension of the game be improved in the line with the economic/market system? Without the ability for 'player entities' to act like a true lending institution, i.e. 'lending' and 'credit' and providing finance, Eve's vague claim to have some kind of 'advanced' market system is silly.
A market only has meaning in a capitalist environment, or frame of reference. There are no 'markets' in authoritarian, Soviet era, east bloc socialist systems, and if they do, they are merely puppets of the party (KGB). Anyway, there should be a way too for a much more advanced legal enforcement system, similar to a lien being issued by a judge on a bank account if certain financial obligations aren't met. For example, if an alliance wants to lend, in a legally enforceable framework than their should be an avenue for them to achieve that status. Wealthy entities of any kind should be allowed to issue charter proposals, and obtain legal status as lenders. Their ability to charge certain interest rates will be determined by their likely hood to survive. Weak entities will be riskier, but have more pay out potential. Think of these as high risk stocks. the more stable, and hence wealthy, successful entities would have low risk, but low return. if someone doesn't pay their bill, a freeze or lien could be imposed. there can be an advanced menu system where you can apply for loans, etc from these banks. do a contract, put in a payment system of some kind, and if the player misses a payment, his credit and hence borrowing power will be reduced, and until he pays his bills and lives within his means, he will never enjoy the benefits associated with good credit, yada yada yada. any way i mean why not? it would add a level of sophistication to the financial side of the game. you could have true tycoons and conglomerates, etc... this could be developed on many levels, with legal and hence financial punishments for irresponsible financial mangment by the player. There could even be real insurance company's competing with prices, to provide ship insurance, etc. use your imagination... CCP certainly has the cash to invest to develope this. Or is it a pipe dream for obvious reasons i cant see?
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Syri Taneka
The Perfect Storm
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 07:51:00 -
[709] - Quote
"The tragedy here is that the team really did build solid technology and great art to support what you can see and did it in way that sets a strong foundation for building out the rest. The fact is, in spite of our missteps, they delivered some of the most amazing interior rendering and character technology in the industry, and their efforts deserve praise."
This excerpt from Hilmar's post is absolutely true. Flawed though the CQ release was (mostly due to its incompletion as a feature), what was there was visually stunning. I wish more games delivered this kind of visual quality. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:01:00 -
[710] - Quote
@ Hilmar: Thanks for the candid communication, but this is way late in the game.
For over four years, EVE Online has been my primary MMO computer gaming environment, but no longer. CCP has lost most credibility in my eyes as a viable long-term entertainment service provider. Specifically, CCP has demonstrated, through its actions, that it is mostly unwilling to consider reasonable customer input and communications as valid. Furthermore, CCP has demonstrated through the NEX store that spaceships are NOT a part of its strategic revenue model moving forward. This essentially signs the death sentence for continued and long-term investment in spaceship-based game-play.
Certainly, I read your apology letter from start to finish. I read about the proposed near-term investment in spaceships. All of those line items are nice, but this stuff is too little and too late. Your customers have been asking for these things for YEARS.
CCP needs to demonstrate true commitment in the form of brilliant deliverables that are OWNED by a team of designers, developers and quality assurance personnel who iterate and follow up on that project over the course of time. Long-term project ownership and executive-level commitment to that which is sold to subscribers are phenomenal selling points for your long-term subscribers. And it makes good business sense to promote continuity in personnel involved with a given project.
And then there is this:
Hilmar wrote:Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we donGÇÖt evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just canGÇÖt allow that to happen to EVE or to our community. Some very well-put words from Aiko Intaki above.
What is CCPGÇÖs strategic model, moving forward?
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oldmanst4r
oldmanst4r's Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:02:00 -
[711] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar. This is much appreciated by the entire community. I personally think that we as a community have a lot to look forward too still in our relationship with CCP. |
Marhaba
Dissolution Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 12:05:00 -
[712] - Quote
This letter, plus the plan to bring back spinning, is why I resubscribed both of my accounts. |
Xalabaster
Renenet Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:17:00 -
[713] - Quote
@Hilmar: First of all thanks for this positive message and I am looking forward to your upcoming releases.
If you please, here is some feedback from a returning player although I am not entirely sure how long my return will last. I came back after a very long break to check out the game again.
To my person, I am a casal semi explorer/pvp player having a family therefore not that much time to play. I just love the fact that I can explore known and unknown space although I find especially the exploration side of Eve very dry and not necessarily challenging. I do not have the time to chain PVE events (one escalation after another) nor can I be bound to spend that time (I am a casual player who happens to enjoy space sims).
What I miss the most in Eve are the following items which I believe would keep my (and potentially other's) interest:
- Bring back "true" W-Space! When wormholes were first released, it was an amazing adventurous and dangerous world, a different entity to the known world. It had that Star Trek feeling to it (the TV series, not the game). Today it feels like any other known system space with towers defended to the teeth and no real challenge for a casual player. When you first released (apocrypha I believe?) , we could setup quick small fleets or even solo roams and find nice pvp time. Now, this is almost impossible unless one spends lots and lots of time. For me, there is no compelling reasons to keep playing like this.
In more detail, it means remove the towers or allow only small ones. Let unknown space become a risky but rewarding adventure for roamers again. I foresee sleeper loot prices going sky high again (as per the w-space release)
- Offlined/incapacitated towers: At this time, I am sitting in an explorer bomber looking for potential targets in w-space and I scanned down two medium and smaller sized towers which are offlined/incapacitated. To my surprise, I can't do anything, not even capture them. Such a waste for an explorer who likes a tad bit of PVP taste. I don't want to do radar sites, I don't want to do any of those outpost sites, I want to specialize in finding or (if needed capturing) loot/content left over by players. If towers were to stay in w-space, what stops you/us lucky finders to capture and put the logistics in place to haul back a tower structure? For a casual player, that would take the 1-3 hours to make this happen and one would get his share of excitement from this as this operation alone is risky to achieve!
For a mostly solo pilot who likes to interact with his human mmo environment, I'd love to play this game with this mixed touch of exploration and pvp content.
Above suggestions may be relatively easy to implement (I apologize if I may generalize this too much) if you compare with new features. This game is such a complete and beautiful game as it is now but it needs some extra love for those casual players who need that spicy element of exploration and pvp.
I hope the above makes sense.
Thanks in advance for considering this!
Xala :) |
Davelantor
The Resistance Movement The Unforgiven Alliance
28
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:14:00 -
[714] - Quote
Thank you ... Even with the disappointments i get from time to time, there has always been enough for me to keep playing EvE ... and this letter, just gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling and a bit proud to pledge my loyalties with such a humble company with a CEO that can admit mistakes.
ok ... enough said ...
Lets kill **** !!! |
EmanRetne
The Iceslave
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:34:00 -
[715] - Quote
Thank you Hilmar, this goes a long way, i will be renewing my accounts when the time comes |
Macmuelli
Meltd0wn Corium Fission
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:43:00 -
[716] - Quote
Thank u to Hillmar, +1
+ cheers to the future |
Slappy Andven
Proletariat Projects Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:24:00 -
[717] - Quote
Thank you for posting this. Can I make a suggestion? Why not just kill WoD entirely and stick to EVE/Dust? Stick to your core competency. You've done an amazing job there. Why risk it? |
Montohotep
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:09:00 -
[718] - Quote
WHOA!! That caught me completely off guard....well said and I appreciate the honesty and communication as well as the apology....definitely restored most of my faith in CCP and its leadership.....don't forget your words and remain faithful to them over the coming months and I'm sure Eve's future will remain a bright one!
Takes major balls and guts to publicly admit and apologize for one's mistakes...glad CCP has a CEO like this!! Will continue to keep my 4 accounts active as long as this type of honesty and communication remains.... |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
73
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:00:00 -
[719] - Quote
Montohotep wrote:WHOA!! That caught me completely off guard....well said and I appreciate the honesty and communication as well as the apology....definitely restored most of my faith in CCP and its leadership.....don't forget your words and remain faithful to them over the coming months and I'm sure Eve's future will remain a bright one!
Takes major balls and guts to publicly admit and apologize for one's mistakes...glad CCP has a CEO like this!! Will continue to keep my 4 accounts active as long as this type of honesty and communication remains....
Took balls sure, but took responsibility? 120 people fired. His job? ok.
You'll have better luck getting a buffalo to fly than getting eve to be fair.-á |
Naomi Wildfire
Spricer Raiden.
18
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:00:00 -
[720] - Quote
While i apreciate the blog, theres still one thing that bugs alot of us
Dust 514
Your main playerbase is raging for a long time that its a PS3 exclusive title. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
94
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:48:00 -
[721] - Quote
Montohotep wrote:WHOA!! That caught me completely off guard....well said and I appreciate the honesty and communication as well as the apology....definitely restored most of my faith in CCP and its leadership.....don't forget your words and remain faithful to them over the coming months and I'm sure Eve's future will remain a bright one!
Takes major balls and guts to publicly admit and apologize for one's mistakes...glad CCP has a CEO like this!! Will continue to keep my 4 accounts active as long as this type of honesty and communication remains....
You got some brown stuff on your nose, might want to do something about that.
Hilmar needs to step down. Especially after this restructuring.
More communication by sacking the communcation team.
And his apology letter stinks of PR spin. We are watching what you do. And you just fired your communication team when we want communication.
Just stupid.
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Dar Egis
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:52:00 -
[722] - Quote
a letter to the followers of eve reported by CCP Hellmar | 2011.10.05 17:29:00
A few excerpted comments and my initial responses:
* "Dust 514"
-playstation 3? A developement branch dumbing down to console thumb twitchers on underpowered proprietary boxes? Make them want to buy a computer and join our complex and rich game interface.
* CaptainGÇÖs Quarters:
"Without establishments and meaningful activities to engage in, forcing players into a mandatory single-player CaptainGÇÖs Quarters experience was a mistake."
-so, when do you make CQ optional?
* "We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE. Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items,...
-5 year player of EQ2 has heard these same assurances before.
* "or as we said after the CSM visit this summer: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."
- And time is equal to money? You mean like World of Tanks and its endless grinds to get what a "premium" account gets in half the time?
"We have reexamined our processes, hired experienced industry professionals for key leadership positions, reassessed our priorities, moved personnel around and, above all else, recognized our limitations."
-corporate speak (see George Orwell et al) translates as fire some, hire some, move them all around -hire players instead! I'm sure they would work cheaper. (we do elect representatives, are they not listened to? -in short, how does this finagaleing improve community input and more importantly CORPORATE response?
Well, I do applaud you for knowing that you have gotten yourselves into a bit of a hole. I still like the game. A lot.
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P42ALPHA
nul-li-fy Atlas.
17
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:38:00 -
[723] - Quote
He forgot the oh ya, we are firing your beloved communication team. LOL |
Naomi Wildfire
Spricer Raiden.
18
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Posted - 2011.10.21 11:58:00 -
[724] - Quote
Btw, the contest winners, forgotten by CCP Ships, when do we get them? |
Floydd Heywood
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:45:00 -
[725] - Quote
I just read the Eurogamer interview with CCP's CEO and I have to say I now actually believe him. It's hard to imagine that any CEO could be capable of self-reflection, because we never see that in the real world. But there it is.
It's a good thing, because if the leader is incompetent, the best employees can't make up for it. |
Henricus Gaufridus
Angry Spaceships
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 06:07:00 -
[726] - Quote
Hilmar, you've got my respect and kept it because of things like this. I, like many others, was angry that we felt that CCP was taking Eve into a direction that the players did NOT want. That is, we felt that we were getting a lot of useless fluff and the dangerous possibility of game-changing items being available ONLY through RMT. That made me mad. I felt that CCP wasn't listening to us, wasn't going to listen to the CSM any more, and in general had become disconnected from the playerbase.
These latest announcements, along with the "OMG WE GET NEW SPACESHIPS" announcement brings me great joy and has restored my faith in CCP. Your ability to admit mistakes restores my faith in you.
Keep it up, Hilmar.
As soon as this PLEX runs up, I'll just go ahead and renew for a year, because new ways to kill other people will ALWAYS get me excited. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:45:00 -
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I'm one of those people who unsubbed during the summer for reasons we all know too well at this point. Recent developments like this blog and the announced refocus on EVE have made me resub and reading about the things that are coming in the winter expansion have made me excited about the future of the game again.
I'm mainly posting this just so you know your efforts are being appreciated and they do make a difference. There is still a lot of scepticism in the air about how sincere your turn in direction really is, but honestly I care more about results and less how your management views the playerbase. They can view me as a troublesome inconvenience to their grand strategic plan all they want as long as they deliver a great game with quality content for me to play. In the same way I wont keep paying for a neglegted game or support devs that can't deliver nothing but disapointing and uninteresting content no matter how much BFFs we are in RL.
That said I like what I'm seeing from CCP at this moment and hope you the best in trying to implement it all before winter comes. |
Jehan Markow
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:41:00 -
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Hilmar,
I meant to write in support of you a few weeks back, but real life is what it is. It takes a lot of guts for any leader to admit what you admitted. Most CEOs in today's world typically quit and run away from the damage they caused.
Just try to keep in focus what we love about the game CCP has developed over the past decade. We love the social experience, we love the freedom, we even love that there is a criminal element (helps make it feel real compared to other MMORPGs), we love flying around in our pretty ships and looking at them, we love the opportunities the game creates for brilliant minds that are not found in real life, we love the single immersive reality, and we love the global community.
You are always going to get people leaving the game, especially in a time of global economic decline. But those of us who truly love the game are not going to leave simply because we haven't seen a new spaceship in 12 months. We're going to leave when we feel the developers no longer care for their creation or because we think they have lost touch with what makes this game excellent. The constant ridicule of bugs doesn't mean we want to leave. It just means we know you can do far better.
You have my support and best wishes moving forward from here. Thank you for your much-needed words. -Jehan Markow |
Highauger's animated corpse
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:25:00 -
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Sir, that level of candid humility is knightly.
It lift's you up to where you should rightly be, high in our esteem as one of the men responsible for bringing us this great experience.
Coming from one who biomassed his main a month ago only to return; purely because for a certain kind of mind this game truly is without equal.
As players it is implied, but rarely said; the level of our protest is directly proportional to the quality of your product.
If it was terrible to begin with, we wouldn't care enough to complain, and in that light our rage complements you, as your listening and honestly complements us. |
Freelancer117
Obsidian Tigers
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Sam Walton Founder of Wal-Mart Stores said:
"There is only one boss-the customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else."
I think your Fearless entrepreneurship cost 120 people their jobs.
And now fear for the future of this once great mmorpg, just look at how one person can end star wars galaxies
To all the developers, GM's, community staff, and many more below CEO level, good luck to you all |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:41:00 -
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Naomi Wildfire wrote:Btw, the contest winners, forgotten by CCP Ships, when do we get them?
Do you mean this one?
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:04:00 -
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I would like who ever is monitoring this forum segment to please show the link below to both the EVE Game Producers and to Hellmar because in my opinion this is the kind of game thinking CCP needs to do for EVE to continue to grow and be as great as the back stories that have been written about it.
http://freebooted.blogspot.com/2011/10/free-to-play-eve-online.html
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.31 03:56:00 -
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Just like to say I am a WIS lover here. And hope there will be a return to WIS in the future even if it is at a reduced scale so players can start to show content that WIS can give eve as a whole. Establishments for 2012 would be awsome.
I look forward to the upcoming changes I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries Pandorum Invictus
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Naomi Wildfire wrote:While i apreciate the blog, theres still one thing that bugs alot of us
Dust 514
Your main playerbase is raging for a long time that its a PS3 exclusive title.
This was Microsoft's fault, not CCP's.
They went to Microsoft first and told them what they wanted Dust 514 to do (network with EVE). Microsoft, for whatever reason, could/would not allow such communication between console and computer networks. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:39:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote: Hilmar needs to step down. Especially after this restructuring.
Agreed. You dont know anything about your game anymore, and this rule changing where you help the gankers, then help the griefers shows it.
Youre trying to make EVERYONE happy. That never works.
Joshua Aivoras wrote:Naomi Wildfire wrote:While i apreciate the blog, theres still one thing that bugs alot of us
Dust 514
Your main playerbase is raging for a long time that its a PS3 exclusive title. This was Microsoft's fault, not CCP's. They went to Microsoft first and told them what they wanted Dust 514 to do (network with EVE). Microsoft, for whatever reason, could/would not allow such communication between console and computer networks.
I hear that a lot yet in the article that was linked about it in another thread, all I read was M$ wasnt interested in allowing the microtransaction scheme, but PS was. Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Refugee Runner
The Order of the Knights of Ishtar
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Don't Worry Hellmar, personally after 3 years of dedicated service I just needed the summer off. I'm back with my fleet now, we are ready to save the day =) Reffy is gonna take care of everything ;) Take all your time, do things right. Those who don't like Eve can f'en go back to real life, Or get lost on a purple dragon....what ever You either work with the bugs or you let them bug you. Everyone is doing their best on a planet where booze and chronic are the only tonic, here is one to you this Christmas, My life used to suck, now I don't just have to dream of the stars in my head....Peace and love to you, your letter goes a very long way... I'm Loving all the recent expansion toys! gotta get them all!!! and now the game runs sweet on even my crap PC's with the few quick patches. right in time for the important time of the year =) woo!! \o/ <3 |
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