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GBBUTT	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:42:00 - [1021] So Tux can you please explain to me whats the point of being Gallante now? I mean Every other race gets to use just as many drones as we do, and gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. So yeah please explain that one to me because right now im looking at canceling my subscriptions becuase the last 9 odd months have been wasted. Thanks.
GBBUTT Dismemberment	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:42:00 - [1022] So Tux can you please explain to me whats the point of being Gallante now? I mean Every other race gets to use just as many drones as we do, and gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. So yeah please explain that one to me because right now im looking at canceling my subscriptions becuase the last 9 odd months have been wasted. Thanks.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [1023] Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Nafri	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [1024] Originally by: GBBUTT So Tux can you please explain to me whats the point of being Gallante now? I mean Every other race gets to use just as many drones as we do, and gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. So yeah please explain that one to me because right now im looking at canceling my subscriptions becuase the last 9 odd months have been wasted. Thanks. Caldari will use 2 less drones, only ships that can use 5 drones (BS sized) are geddon and typhoon, execpt the gallante ships of course And not to mention gallente will get damage bonus on drones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscription canceled
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [1025] Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns.
Nafri Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [1026] Originally by: GBBUTT So Tux can you please explain to me whats the point of being Gallante now? I mean Every other race gets to use just as many drones as we do, and gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. So yeah please explain that one to me because right now im looking at canceling my subscriptions becuase the last 9 odd months have been wasted. Thanks. Caldari will use 2 less drones, only ships that can use 5 drones (BS sized) are geddon and typhoon, execpt the gallante ships of course And not to mention gallente will get damage bonus on drones From Dusk till Dawn
Antic	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:45:00 - [1027] Edited by: Antic on 01/11/2005 12:47:12 hmm these tank drones that dosnt use cap or slots will be a huge boost to ships that cna use them. But remember that many ships do not have dronebays. Intys and AFs that do will be uber now, as cap is very tight on smaller ships.
Antic Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:45:00 - [1028] Edited by: Antic on 01/11/2005 12:47:12 hmm these tank drones that dosnt use cap or slots will be a huge boost to ships that cna use them. But remember that many ships do not have dronebays. Intys and AFs that do will be uber now, as cap is very tight on smaller ships.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:53:00 - [1029] Tux (and others), I have a suggestion: instead of the damage bonus for the Dom, Ishtar etc, how about a (reduced) drone control bonus? For example, allow them to control max 7 drones at once, as a static ship speciality. Change the actual ship bonus to something drone related but not too overpowering (maybe drone bay size increase, so with high ship skills you'd also be able to choose the drones from some variety). This solves a few things, while keeping things balanced (imho): - Drone ships could use both damage and other drones, without gimping their primary weapon (damage drones). Or they can use all 7 combat drones, resulting in almost the same DPS as now projected (there would be no +10% damage bonus here, so the additional 2 drones actually give less max DPS than current scheme, but allow for versatility). - The number drones in space still stays small and server load stays low. - The drone ships retain their unique, versatile drone role, a reason why a lot of people have trained a long time for them. Comments?
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:53:00 - [1030] Tux (and others), I have a suggestion: instead of the damage bonus for the Dom, Ishtar etc, how about a (reduced) drone control bonus? For example, allow them to control max 7 drones at once, as a static ship speciality. Change the actual ship bonus to something drone related but not too overpowering (maybe drone bay size increase, so with high ship skills you'd also be able to choose the drones from some variety). This solves a few things, while keeping things balanced (imho): - Drone ships could use both damage and other drones, without gimping their primary weapon (damage drones). Or they can use all 7 combat drones, resulting in almost the same DPS as now projected (there would be no +10% damage bonus here, so the additional 2 drones actually give less max DPS than current scheme, but allow for versatility). - The number drones in space still stays small and server load stays low. - The drone ships retain their unique, versatile drone role, a reason why a lot of people have trained a long time for them. Comments?
Farjung	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:54:00 - [1031] Originally by: Gronsak the EW drones are not that bad as they got a strength of only 1.5, with 5 drones thats 7.5, same as one module, imo id perfer 5 heavy drones attacking. Well, firstly EW doesn't really stack in that particular manner, so 5 drones of 1.5 are not equivalent to one module that does 7.5. Secondly, the EW drones have a cycle time of 5 seconds compared to 20 seconds on a module, so you'll get 4 attempts to jam in the same period of time as one module. Refer to my calculations a few pages back for what the effects will be based on the current values.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:54:00 - [1032] Originally by: Gronsak the EW drones are not that bad as they got a strength of only 1.5, with 5 drones thats 7.5, same as one module, imo id perfer 5 heavy drones attacking. Well, firstly EW doesn't really stack in that particular manner, so 5 drones of 1.5 are not equivalent to one module that does 7.5. Secondly, the EW drones have a cycle time of 5 seconds compared to 20 seconds on a module, so you'll get 4 attempts to jam in the same period of time as one module. Refer to my calculations a few pages back for what the effects will be based on the current values. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
FoRGyL	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:01:00 - [1033] WTF is happening here? elctronic buttons and a knife? History! The EW thingys! Changed missles so they got even more uber and then changed it again Is this a rerun of that? Ok reason for frustration is that I think the EwWar isen't balanced as it is today. Sorry but I can't see the need or reason behind this! And no I haven't read 18 pages. /emote hopes to get a clearer picture on why! -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
FoRGyL Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:01:00 - [1034] WTF is happening here? elctronic buttons and a knife? History! The EW thingys! Changed missles so they got even more uber and then changed it again Is this a rerun of that? Ok reason for frustration is that I think the EwWar isen't balanced as it is today. Sorry but I can't see the need or reason behind this! And no I haven't read 18 pages. /emote hopes to get a clearer picture on why! -out- ********************************************************* Pay or don't!
GBBUTT	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:03:00 - [1035] Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Yeah thats what i meant. Amarr can fit 8 mega pulse laser's with their grid/cpu. Mimitar can fit 8 1400 artillery cannon with their grid/cpu. I want to see you try and max out a mega with the equivalent rails not gonna happen. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has ****ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that.
GBBUTT Dismemberment	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:03:00 - [1036] Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Yeah thats what i meant. Amarr can fit 8 mega pulse laser's with their grid/cpu. Mimitar can fit 8 1400 artillery cannon with their grid/cpu. I want to see you try and max out a mega with the equivalent rails not gonna happen. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has ****ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:08:00 - [1037] If we have these changes, can we make drones a little more intelligent, or make the management of them a little better? 1) a right-click drone menu on each target: Drones > - Attack/Scramble/EWAR/Repair/Boost/Dampen/etc - Guard (self explanatory) - Orbit -------- - Return to Bay - Return and Orbit 2) a way to micro-manage drones a little bit better: - A better idea of what they are currently doing - Highlighting drones in space vs drones in drone panel - An idea of what the drone is currently targeting - An idea of what is currently targeting the drone 3) some more versatile uses: - Salvage drones (which we have already seen mentioned) - Sensor boosting drones 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:08:00 - [1038] If we have these changes, can we make drones a little more intelligent, or make the management of them a little better? 1) a right-click drone menu on each target: Drones > - Attack/Scramble/EWAR/Repair/Boost/Dampen/etc - Guard (self explanatory) - Orbit -------- - Return to Bay - Return and Orbit 2) a way to micro-manage drones a little bit better: - A better idea of what they are currently doing - Highlighting drones in space vs drones in drone panel - An idea of what the drone is currently targeting - An idea of what is currently targeting the drone 3) some more versatile uses: - Salvage drones (which we have already seen mentioned) - Sensor boosting drones What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Farjung	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:09:00 - [1039] Originally by: GBBUTT Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Yeah thats what i meant. Amarr can fit 8 mega pulse laser's with their grid/cpu. Mimitar can fit 8 1400 artillery cannon with their grid/cpu. I want to see you try and max out a mega with the equivalent rails not gonna happen. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has ****ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that. Tempest only has 6 turret hardpoints, and it can only fit 6 1400 II without grid mods if the pilot has awu 5. Megathron has 7 turret hardpoints, and it can fit 7 425 II without grid mods while still having grid left over for a large armor repairer II.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:09:00 - [1040] Originally by: GBBUTT Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Yeah thats what i meant. Amarr can fit 8 mega pulse laser's with their grid/cpu. Mimitar can fit 8 1400 artillery cannon with their grid/cpu. I want to see you try and max out a mega with the equivalent rails not gonna happen. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has ****ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that. Tempest only has 6 turret hardpoints, and it can only fit 6 1400 II without grid mods if the pilot has awu 5. Megathron has 7 turret hardpoints, and it can fit 7 425 II without grid mods while still having grid left over for a large armor repairer II. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:14:00 - [1041] Originally by: GBBUTT Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has **ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that. lies im galante, be a man and use the megathron, domi is for girls on a serious note, they have not reduced your damage output so why *? i mean they are THINKING about limiting you to thermal drones bonous which is fair enough IF and only if the raven get the same kick in the balls, change its +5% rof to +5% dmg to kin only, also each drone will have like 3x the hitpoints in a domi, making your worst nightmare teh smartbombing bs history, i mean it will take like 6-9cyclees or more now to do the job thus ur weapons are much safer the only thing is the domi needs a all round bonous, to ** like repair web nos dmg drones not just damage over al; we are all getting new toys to play with which cant be bad i fear the 3 large painer drones on a raven will help it kick ass vs smaller ships plus it takes away mini advantage vs a torp raven also crusiers will get a lot more dmg from cruise and torp missiles from the old rave oh with all these changes comming in, take a freking look at the ravens very overpowerednesssssss vs other bs
Gronsak Amarr	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:14:00 - [1042] Originally by: GBBUTT Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:55 Edited by: GBBUTT on 01/11/2005 13:04:20 Originally by: Hakera Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Plus this is basicly the kiss of death to the only way a dom could take on a raven. This has **ed me off so much i am serriously considering droping my subscriptions. The first time ever for that. lies im galante, be a man and use the megathron, domi is for girls on a serious note, they have not reduced your damage output so why *? i mean they are THINKING about limiting you to thermal drones bonous which is fair enough IF and only if the raven get the same kick in the balls, change its +5% rof to +5% dmg to kin only, also each drone will have like 3x the hitpoints in a domi, making your worst nightmare teh smartbombing bs history, i mean it will take like 6-9cyclees or more now to do the job thus ur weapons are much safer the only thing is the domi needs a all round bonous, to ** like repair web nos dmg drones not just damage over al; we are all getting new toys to play with which cant be bad i fear the 3 large painer drones on a raven will help it kick ass vs smaller ships plus it takes away mini advantage vs a torp raven also crusiers will get a lot more dmg from cruise and torp missiles from the old rave oh with all these changes comming in, take a freking look at the ravens very overpowerednesssssss vs other bs
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:18:00 - [1043] Originally by: Farjung Tempest only has 6 turret hardpoints, and it can only fit 6 1400 II without grid mods if the pilot has awu 5. Megathron has 7 turret hardpoints, and it can fit 7 425 II without grid mods while still having grid left over for a large armor repairer II. lies well kinda true, the mega with t2 425s is nice but try fitting a mega with neuton blasters, then u got PG and MASSIVE cpu problems erm not to mention that with 4 cap rechargers in mids you cant sustain the dam gank blaster or rail setup odd that someone designs a ship that cant keep its guns going indefinitly plus lets stick on the drone topic
Gronsak Amarr	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:18:00 - [1044] Originally by: Farjung Tempest only has 6 turret hardpoints, and it can only fit 6 1400 II without grid mods if the pilot has awu 5. Megathron has 7 turret hardpoints, and it can fit 7 425 II without grid mods while still having grid left over for a large armor repairer II. lies well kinda true, the mega with t2 425s is nice but try fitting a mega with neuton blasters, then u got PG and MASSIVE cpu problems erm not to mention that with 4 cap rechargers in mids you cant sustain the dam gank blaster or rail setup odd that someone designs a ship that cant keep its guns going indefinitly plus lets stick on the drone topic
Forsch	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:19:00 - [1045] Edited by: Forsch on 01/11/2005 13:19:32 Originally by: Tuxford What about modules? Well they are not many and not that complex. So far there are three of them. One increases the damage output of all combat drones, one increases your drone control range and another boosts the optimal range and tracking on drones. Has already been said which slot these modules use? The Auctoritan Syndicate Defenders of the Empire - Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:19:00 - [1046] Edited by: Forsch on 01/11/2005 13:19:32 Originally by: Tuxford What about modules? Well they are not many and not that complex. So far there are three of them. One increases the damage output of all combat drones, one increases your drone control range and another boosts the optimal range and tracking on drones. Has already been said which slot these modules use? Forsch Defender of the empire What have you done CCP..
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:20:00 - [1047] Perhaps it should be pointed out that Ogres do more damage to a standard, three hardener (Explosive/Thermal/Kinetic) tanked Apocalypse than berserkers... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:20:00 - [1048] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 01/11/2005 14:36:31 Perhaps it should be pointed out that Ogres give the same damage to a standard, three hardener (Explosive/Thermal/Kinetic) tanked Apocalypse as berserkers... Edit: With 55% hardeners, giving Thermal 70.75%/Explos. 64% 1.6x1.25x11x15 x(0.2925)= 96.525 dmg/sec for Ogres 1.3x1.25x11x15 x(0.36)=96.525 dmg/sec for berserkers ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'

Tuxford	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:22:00 - [1049] Changing racial damage types to all damage types. _______________


Tuxford	Posted - 2005.11.01 13:22:00 - [1050] Changing racial damage types to all damage types. _______________


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